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 The Shrimp Thing, All About Shrimp - Neocaridina & Others

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post Oct 6 2013, 06:54 PM

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Just set up tank no.2 smile.gif
Now for the looong wait cycling
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post Oct 6 2013, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(lily64my @ Oct 6 2013, 07:44 PM)
Ehhhh copycat!
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Eventually gonna retire the office tank and bring it home.

QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 6 2013, 08:57 PM)
You need to cycle firsr. But there is way to shorten the cycle time  by
- use old filter with media, and or borrow filter floss and media.
- use tank water from an established tank.
(The above two method will transfer any disease/pest between tank if any)
-dose bacteria powder/liquid.

In my case. Im rescaping and reuse the old filter and since it is sand only substrate without soil that release ammonia.  I can put in shrimp on shrimp day.
As a precautions.  I do check for ammonia and nitrite after 3 days.  Before that dose 5x seachem prime amount for my tank size . Just in case to bind any ammonia or nitrite that exist.
Cos there is still risk of old beneficial bacteria can establish back in new parameters.
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Thanks for the tips as always. U overdose prime before adding shrimps right?
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post Oct 6 2013, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 6 2013, 11:01 PM)
Seachem Prime more expensive for a reason, it can act as an emergency solution to counter ammonia and nitrite in uncycle tank with shrimp be put in that have no other mean to be transfer out. Instead of waiting for the shrimp to died one by one , we can dose 5x amount of Prime from normal dose
to bind ammonia and nitrite to non-toxic form, the best part is it won't remove them which are good cos the tank cycle can still continue.
It will be effective for one week before re-dose.
I have tried with one tank with a nitrite reading of at least 5ppm, with overdose prime, none of the shrimp died or behave unnormal.
Of course if possible don't resort to this method as risk is still there.
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My new tank is everything new.. filter media is has pre-packed bacteria and i plan to dose seachem stability. You reckon a week is ok?

Substrate is shrimp specific non fertilized ones.

Also should I add activated carbon? Was in a rush, didn't have time to fully soak the driftwood more than an hour. I suspect its gonna be leeching tannins.

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post Oct 7 2013, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 7 2013, 12:49 AM)
A week is too early. Maybe 2-3 week if everything new, as bacteria is slow to build up. Of course it help with frequent dosing of stability.
add in air pump to provide more o2 and temperature of 27-30c will be ideal to accelerate their grow. Light should on at least 8 hrs.
  I notice any soil based substrate will still leech ammonia no matter what brand. Although at low ph those ammonia are in less toxic form.
  That why normally with soil . It is more easy to kick start the cycle since ammonia is already present.  With sand or stone substrate.  You need to add in fish food or pure ammonia liquid to compensate.

To remove tannins effectively. Use seachem purigen. Put it inside fikter compartment.  Active carbon you may want to give it a skip when tank is still cycling.
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Pure ammonia is a bit hard to find. What do you think if I just put a copious amount of fish food in a panty hose and chuck it inside?



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post Oct 7 2013, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 7 2013, 05:34 PM)
No need , just goto your local fish shop , buy some ADA soil loose pack 250g, 500g or 1 kg , get a filter mesh bag , fill up with the ADA soil , hang it inside your tank 'woop' you got your ammonia source, clean and easy. when tank cycled, just remove it and put it in your house plant pot.
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ADA soil not that easy to find around my area but fish food got a lot of spare.
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post Oct 7 2013, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 7 2013, 06:44 PM)
any aquarium soil will do, even shrimp soil also leech ammonia. Gex soil should be available in taiwan.
Fish food will pollute your tank if you can't control your hand. smile.gif
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Thanks again.. happened to have some spare GEX soil.
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post Oct 8 2013, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(lily64my @ Oct 7 2013, 10:01 PM)
Came home saw the tank water is clear....i remember read sumwhere to change 100% for 1st time, so did 100% water change.  Now cycling it again. Will change 50% tomorrow till end of week.
Meanwhile, malaya is living in 3ft castle...lol
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A bit blur here... why 100% water change? Wouldn't that be the same as starting all over again?
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post Oct 8 2013, 12:06 PM

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Still no ammonia detected

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post Oct 8 2013, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(whitehawk @ Oct 8 2013, 02:40 PM)
wow nice tank
what plant you used for carpet?
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It's just moss mesh. Haven't grown yet smile.gif
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post Oct 9 2013, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(GTBlackIce @ Oct 9 2013, 12:30 AM)
Nice tank you got there bro. What's that black bag hanging at the back of the tank?
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Arrow's recommendation to add plant friendly substrate to introduce ammonia to the tank.
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post Oct 9 2013, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(calvinyoon @ Oct 9 2013, 08:35 AM)
hmmmm, what is in the bag? soil?
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Yeah its aquarium soil.

Ammonia alert still no detect anything yet.

Had a shrimp death today in the old tank

arrow First time have molting death. Saw this fella molt in the open (usually they hide around the plants) and just when it jump out of the shell, another shrimp nearby jumped at it. Then I notice it didn't fully molt... the very end of its tail didn't disconnect properly. This morning dead liao.

So I'm curious if kena kacau from another shrimp caused this or what.

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post Oct 9 2013, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(lily64my @ Oct 9 2013, 10:38 AM)
Is it good not to have ammonia?
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I figure its better to see ammonia first and see it being reduced to check if there's sufficient BB in the tank before adding in the commando squad (test shrimps)

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post Oct 9 2013, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 9 2013, 10:48 AM)
No, ammonia, got nitrite(NO2) detected ?
Yes, they very fragile when/after molt, if get jumped, they probably died. Yamato like to do that on other shrimp.
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The water seems to be in good shape. No ammonia or nitrite. Normal nitrate. TDS stable for long time at ~183.. same with ph, gh and kh.

I moved the tank to a corner since I got the new tank and it seems that the shrimps were more active when ignored. It's one of the rare occasion when I look into the tank and saw it happen.


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post Oct 9 2013, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 9 2013, 10:53 AM)
You using what substrate in the new tank? black pearl?
Plant like ammonia, those are nutrient to them.
The best is ADA soil but you can't find.
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GEX pure soil in the bag, Substrate in the tank is Up Aqua shrimp sand (I read that its polymer coated or something like that.. won't mess up water)

Gonna wait another day or so.. if still no detect, then will introduce a squad of kamikaze danios into it.

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post Oct 9 2013, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 9 2013, 12:00 PM)
got No3 nitrate!!, seem like cycled unless your tap water full of nitrate in the first place, you dose alot of bacteria powder/liquid or
borrow old filter media?
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I meant the old tank lah... new tank still have now fauna.

Growing BB and moss now.
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post Oct 9 2013, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 9 2013, 12:14 PM)
oic, anyway for the new tank, beside checking for ammonia, after 3days can also check for nitrite.
Some of the tank i setup with old filter, it jump to stage 2 cycle after 2~3days.
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Btw.... I'm seeing some tiny bubbles on the water surface now on the new tank. Something is decomposing smile.gif


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post Oct 9 2013, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(lily64my @ Oct 9 2013, 02:32 PM)
I would like to share picture here but somehow cannot download using normal practise.
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Just open a free flickr account... www.flickr.com

Upload your photos

Copy and paste into the forum as per pic below. You get much better quality photos, don't load the lowyat servers and don't even need to resize.

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post Oct 11 2013, 10:02 AM

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Got some protein buildup and squashed a planaria and a seed shrimp on a cycling tank. Is that a good or bad sign?

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post Oct 11 2013, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Oct 11 2013, 10:20 AM)
Planaria is bad , many more must be inside.
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I mean the water condition.

Since there's no fauna inside, I don't mind nuking them.
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post Oct 11 2013, 10:58 AM

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Also saw a nematode swimming around. WTF... how come so happening so fast? Not even one week yet.



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