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 Proton Prevé V19, Welcome our brother Suprima S

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post Oct 2 2013, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(preveverp @ Oct 2 2013, 01:06 PM)
Just did on-wheel (high speed) balancing 2 days ago. No problem. I also was having the same issue as you, steering vibration whenever hit exactly 120kmh and above.

Go to those shop that have the machine to spin your tire with your engine off. And gear in Neutral. (Front tires)
For Rear tires, engine off. Gear in (P). Handbrake engage.

** Don't do if they want to on your engine, jack/lift up, and use engine power to spin tire. Harmful to engine/gearbox.
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For torque converters and wet-clutch, keep your engine running but in keep the gear in N, then use an external spinner to spin the tires.

If you switch of your engine, the oil in the wet clutch is not being cooled as you spin your wheels at high speed (The engine runs the CVTF pump, which cycles the CVTF and cools them). This is the very same reason why you should NEVER tow your car with the front wheels on the ground.

But, if they do try using the engine power to spin the wheels, the wheels will not spin fast enough anyway. Don't ask me why or how, according to Kristoff there seems to be some safety mechanism that prevents the engine from spinning the wheels too fast if the car is jacked up.

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post Oct 3 2013, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(preveverp @ Oct 3 2013, 12:43 PM)
Sorry, abit too technical so I don't know what exactly you're trying to tell.  tongue.gif

- For our simple confirmation, for Preve , does the engine need to be ON or OFF during on-wheel (high speed) balancing? -

Cause that shop did for me with engine off, and so far still ok, no problem at all.
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Engine on, gear in N, spin the wheels with the spinning machine. smile.gif

When doing on-wheel balancing the wheels are spun at high speed only for a few seconds, so any wear is minimized. But advisable to still keep the engine on.

If towing, never tow with front wheels on the ground.
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post Oct 6 2013, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(PrinceDongmin @ Oct 6 2013, 12:58 PM)
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calling for all sifus  notworthy.gif

i am in serious dillema now whether to get a MYVI 1.3 SE or PREVE 1.6 EXECUTIVE CVT
i wont go for cfe version as it is really exceed my budget.
follow my heart  i wanted the preve because of the looks, superb handling and very spacious.
yet, by doing some research on internet many people complaining about the problem and fc.
myvi i really dont like the handling, as i drive my friend's before really felt unstable and want terbalik one, especially in corners and roundabout.
but some says u can save a lot in terms of fuel and free 3 yrs services.

as attached above, this will be my daily route to and from work, 8 to 5 or even more, cyberjaya to putrajaya(not inside putrajaya)
ppl say myvi will jimat in city driving, preve jimat in highway driving.. i dont know whether this route consider city or highway oo  cry.gif
route one way around 10km, and mostly using highway. traffic condition i could say not really as jam as kl.

my main concern is fuel and repairing cost. one full tank if can last for one week still ok for me. just tht i scare isi one full tank then thursday already zero  rclxub.gif  this is my first car so most of myauto knowledge i got from internet only.

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Why dont you take persiaran multimedia all the way to MDec then turn right, pass the bomba and naik the highway? Then you can skip 2 traffic lights.

I suggest you take the Preve.

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post Oct 12 2013, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Oct 12 2013, 06:40 PM)
ops. mybad, too fast typing n shortening the word causing the confusion. preve se i.allah by the end of the year. what i mebmt by april 2014 is that if want to buy car next year,dont rush to buy it as early as january. u may get 2013 car coz 2014 car is still under production. so better to wait atleast march or april if want to buy 2014 car. thats all. sory bout that.
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Any news on the Preve SE's spec?
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post Oct 13 2013, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(lkyoong @ Oct 12 2013, 11:52 PM)
I asked for Syntium 3000. I think most SC will provide a default Petronas type if no instruction given.

The SC showed me following Syntium range.

1. Syntium 3000 (5W-40)
2. Syntium 1000 (15W-50)
3. Syntium 800 (15W-50)

Anyone know what is the diff between 1000 & 800. Price almost double.

You have to pay more also for Syntium 3000.
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Syntium 800 is semi synthetic, Syntium 1000 and 3000 is fully synthetic. 1000 has very high viscosity rating, so if you wanna take fully syn, avoid the 1000 and take the 3000.

Proton has recently adopted 10k km OCI for semi syn, so its up to you whether you wanna take semi syn or pay double for fully syn. Personally I will take fully syn.
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post Oct 13 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(s@ni @ Oct 13 2013, 03:08 PM)
I just took syn800 becoz dont want to waste free service laugh.gif

And recently i bought mitsu full syn bought from a fren at rm95. I oso stock up another 4L that i bought from aeon jusco rm95 for my next service

Proton/petronas EO can go saupei coz sexpensive mad.gif vmad.gif
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Can bawa Mitsu EO to Proton SC?? blink.gif

QUOTE(gkl83 @ Oct 13 2013, 04:08 PM)
some SC does carry Shell Engine Oil too...

Most of SC doesn't carry Petronas 3000, so I purchase Petronas 3000 from Petronas petrol station by myself and i bring it to SC during the 1000km service... Petronas 800 is semi syn but you can choose Petronas 1000 which is full syn as most of SC do carry it too...
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Syntium 1000 is 15w-50, which is too high for modern new engines.

Between Syntium 1000 fully-syn 15w-50 and 800 semi-syn 10w-40, I'd pick the 800 semi syn but change at 5k km.

If between Syntium 800 and fully syn 3000, I'd take the 3000.

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post Oct 22 2013, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Oct 22 2013, 06:36 PM)
what kinda fkin car keeps radiator on
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Turbo cars, idiot. reported.
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post Oct 25 2013, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(yaz_inseven @ Oct 25 2013, 05:34 PM)
cz its our money..
never cost u a penny... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Oct 25 2013, 05:37 PM)
Stop quoting him, just let the bozo running loose biggrin.gif
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He's a Preve owner since Aug 2012.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry63440751

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post Oct 27 2013, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(preveverp @ Oct 26 2013, 11:02 PM)
So means there is nothing wrong with the CVT holding the revs at 4000rpm ? Is 4000rpm the best max power/torque output already? I still finding it hard to believe.. Cause throughout all gears it holds at around 4000rpm only. I thought different gear ratios should be different shifting point?
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Look at the torque graph below (the blue line), max torque begins at 2k RPM and drops after 4k RPM. There is no point revving past 4K RPM unless you are gunning for top speed.

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The Preve's CVT is torque based, means it shifts according to torque demand as required by the terrain and the user's throttle input. If you need anything less than 205Nm, you can get it before 2K RPM.

This in fact showcases the benefit of the turbocharger+CVT combo, you can stay within max torque no matter your speed, something not as easily achievable using conventional stepped transmission.

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post Oct 27 2013, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(preveverp @ Oct 27 2013, 06:16 PM)
Ahh... So it peaks around 4-5k ? Ok k .. No i didn't mean i want to rev high or redline.. I just wondered if 4k rpm was the best shift point. Cause noticed the CVT held it around there whenever full throttle. Thanks for clarifying smile.gif
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It peaks around 2k and stays relatively constant until 4k RPM (read the blue line) after which it starts to drop brows.gif

so once you reach 2k you already get maximum torque, no need rev to the moon to overtake trucks....the joy of turbo wub.gif

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post Oct 28 2013, 08:34 PM

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I enquired directly to Kristof of Punch Powertrain about the improvements on the VT3. My questions were forwarded to his colleague Fikeri Yusof. the following is the email exchange.

Although the VT3+ is currently implemented on the Suprima and Preve LE only, future Preve models will adopt it as well. Something for future Preve owners to look forward to.

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Hi Kristof,

I understand the new Suprima S is using VT3+, an upgraded version of the VT3 used in Preve and Exora.

Can you elaborate on the improvements implemented on the new VT3+ compared to the older VT3?

Thanks!

Regards,
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There was a couple of intermediate email exchange but due to irrelevance I will omit them here. The next relevant email is below

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Hey ****, your answer will be in tomorrow. We dont have any secrets and the more malaysia knows what we are doing, especially improving, the better! So no issue in sharing. Have you testdriven the suprima, offcoarse i did, huge difference with preve! Car build up quality is way better, a lot of lessons learned taken into account. Allthough i have to say that the vt3+ Is also adopted in the newly produced preve and preve will take over a lot of suprima quality as well.

Regards

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Dear ****,

VT3+ found in Suprima S is base on VT3 found in Preve CFE and Exora CFE,the changes that we made is redesign the gear geometry of secondary gear side to reduce whining sound of it.Number of teeth also different but final ratio of each transmission is still the same.TCU calibration also different due to number of teeth and new Cal on Suprima S is more responsive compared to Preve.

But on the same time,Proton also did lots of upgrade to absorb the whining sound.Like new design trans mounting,additional brace inside front fender,thicker padding at firewall and few more which I not remember.

Hope the answer is fine for you.Thanks.

Regards,
Fikeri Yusof


So as you guys can see the improvements is not only software, but also the mechanical parts. Kudos to the team for answering my questions so thoroughly when other carmakers will probably shrug me off.

Goes to show Proton is not ready to rest on it's achievement with the CFE+CVT powertrain design.
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post Oct 28 2013, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(danabu @ Oct 28 2013, 11:11 PM)
Any news when will normal Preve CFE come with VT3+??
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No mention of future Preve variants, although he said new variants will come with the VT3+. AFAIK currently only Preve LE is using VT3+ .

Maybe can jemput bro allenultra to check the part numbers wub.gif

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post Oct 29 2013, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(terryble @ Oct 29 2013, 12:17 PM)
I have talked to the SA in Sg Besi Proton Edar Branch~~
i've asked if the gears have been updated to VT3+, he mention yes~~
but from the post here (thanks a lot man) it seems like the 2013 Preve has not been updated with it yet~~
i really doubt what the SA told me and i doubt whether they know about what is VT3+
How come Proton Sales staff is not improved or updated? Hmm dissapointing~~
This is a damn big deterrent for me to rush for a new Preve this year~~

However, the SA mention that next year Preve variant has 6 airbags~~
wonder how much they are going to increase the Price~~
Again, thanks a lot for the info~~
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Oct 29 2013, 12:39 PM)
I'm quite sure only Preve LE has VT3+. Preve LE also has EVP (confirmed). I think only future Preve with 6 airbags will have VT3+.

Take sales people's word with pinch of salt. They'd say anything to make a sale.
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Most sales people are clueless about the mechanical differences.

Mentions of VT2, VT3, VT3+, IAFM, IAFM+ are usually met by blank stares unsure.gif

All they know are leather seats, push start button, turbo and DRL whistling.gif

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post Oct 30 2013, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Oct 30 2013, 12:50 AM)
Although the headunit on Suprima S isn't very spectacular, but I hope at least it's on Preve LE.

I'm quite tempted to upgrade from my 1.5 year old Persona. laugh.gif
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WTF you just spent a fortune to BOT you Persona less than a month ago shakehead.gif
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post Oct 31 2013, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Oct 31 2013, 12:55 PM)
Just like typical Toyota, to stop engine braking, press the gas pedal.
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Typical toyota no engine braking when downhill grumble.gif
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post Oct 31 2013, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Oct 31 2013, 01:13 PM)
Eh, my family's Estima got
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estima is not typical toyota icon_idea.gif Vios is
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post Nov 5 2013, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Nov 5 2013, 04:01 AM)
So... CFE pistons and rings are made by a company called Kolbenschimdt from Czech Republic, owning a few manufacturing plants in Japan, China, USA, Germany, France and a few more. Their customer base includes Volkswagen and Volvo as well. Piston rings are made in Japan, I assume the pistons themselves are as well.

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Your car dah siap?
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post Nov 19 2013, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Nov 19 2013, 03:05 AM)
No, CFE remains. I have been visiting my car twice over the weekend biggrin.gif
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Eh sorry if you have answered this before: so confirm the Preve LE has DRL and not position lights? (switches on with engine everytime)
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post Nov 19 2013, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Nov 19 2013, 09:31 PM)
I haven't get the key to my car yet, only can see from outside. Neither there is any test drive car for Preve LE.
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OK, do let me know when you find out thumbup.gif
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post Nov 20 2013, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(netken @ Nov 20 2013, 02:08 PM)
Holy crap epic interest rates for the step up financing scheme doh.gif

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