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post Oct 1 2013, 11:18 AM, updated 13y ago

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all sifu and master.

i am totally new in this , seeking advice for what lens i should for my Canon 60D?now i only have kits lens 18-55mm .

seeking for second hand unit .

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post Oct 1 2013, 02:10 PM

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What you plan to shoot first? If no idea then continue to used the 18-55mm till you got the idea of what you want.
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post Oct 1 2013, 02:15 PM

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You don't even know what you wan, what's the point asking?

It's the same with, I want to buy food, but I don't even know what I wanted to eat.
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post Oct 1 2013, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(0300078 @ Oct 1 2013, 02:10 PM)
What you plan to shoot first? If no idea then continue to used the 18-55mm till you got the idea of what you want.
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after i back from holiday , i feel than my photo not really nice,
so plan to get some lens


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post Oct 1 2013, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Oct 1 2013, 02:15 PM)
You don't even know what you wan, what's the point asking?

It's the same with, I want to buy food, but I don't even know what I wanted to eat.
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plan to get some lens which suitable to go vacation for shooting .

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QUOTE(deric79k @ Oct 1 2013, 06:58 PM)
after i back from holiday , i feel than my photo not really nice,
so plan to get some lens
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Any problems with your vacation photos ?
Are they too dark/motion blur ?
Get to know how exposure works.

Nothing interesting in particular ?
Learn basic composition rules and follow them.
Also, don't upload/select every single photo. Choose and select

If you still intend to get some lens, state a budget

This post has been edited by LegendLee: Oct 1 2013, 09:20 PM
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post Oct 1 2013, 09:37 PM

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Maybe you can try considering prime lens?
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QUOTE(deric79k @ Oct 1 2013, 06:59 PM)
plan to get some lens which suitable to go vacation for shooting .
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Every lens can bring to vacation tongue.gif just see what kind of lens you like.

Do you looking for something light? or you need something that can zoom very far? or you want somthing that can capture from wide to telephoto images?
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what you want to shoot in particular??? people, landscape,
prime lens often works the best since it is light thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(deric79k @ Oct 1 2013, 06:58 PM)
after i back from holiday , i feel than my photo not really nice,
so plan to get some lens
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QUOTE(deric79k @ Oct 1 2013, 06:59 PM)
plan to get some lens which suitable to go vacation for shooting .
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This is the thing. Most people have a misconception that using a DSLR = AWESOME pictures. This is totally not true.

People who capture stunning pictures often put a lot of effort before clicking the shutter button. The thought process is something like this:

1) Subject matter - What you are shooting.
2) Composition/framing- How are you framing your subject
3) Lighting
4) Proper exposure for the shot (check camera LCD and make necessary adjustments)
5) Making sure subject is in clear focus
6) Click the shutter button

And it doesn't end here. Load back your pictures on the PC and do necessary editing and adjustments if needed.

Pick and choose your best shots. Learn to evaluate your own work. Delete the lousy ones.

Like I have said previously, there is a steep learning curve if you want to master an advanced camera, take time to learn the basics and all.

All the best! smile.gif

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actually it also depends if u shooting pics or vid~~but first u must have the canon 50mm f1.8...its a must own~performs extremely well under low light conditions smile.gif
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post Oct 1 2013, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Oct 1 2013, 09:18 PM)
Any problems with your vacation photos ?
Are they too dark/motion blur ?
Get to know how exposure works.

Nothing interesting in particular ?
Learn basic composition rules and follow them.
Also, don't upload/select every single photo. Choose and select

If you still intend to get some lens, state a budget
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abit blur ,
the motion also .

when i shot the photo , background dont look clear

later i post some photo let u all see
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post Oct 1 2013, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Oct 1 2013, 09:48 PM)
This is the thing. Most people have a misconception that using a DSLR = AWESOME pictures. This is totally not true.

People who capture stunning pictures often put a lot of effort before clicking the shutter button. The thought process is something like this:

1) Subject matter - What you are shooting.
2) Composition/framing- How are you framing your subject
3) Lighting
4) Proper exposure for the shot (check camera LCD and make necessary adjustments)
5) Click the shutter button

And it doesn't end here. Load back your pictures on the PC and do necessary editing and adjustments if needed.

Pick and choose your best shots. Learn to evaluate your own work. Delete the lousy ones.

Like I have said previously, there is a steep learning curve if you want to master an advanced camera, take time to learn the basics and all.

All the best! smile.gif
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wow , so many things to learn ,

maybe u can be my teacher
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post Oct 1 2013, 10:09 PM

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post Oct 1 2013, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(deric79k @ Oct 1 2013, 10:09 PM)
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overexposed...first get the exposure correct. read about metering and learn how to look at histogram, usually achieving 0EV (center) on the meter is good to start with and not difficult to rescue with photo editing software (this technique is called post processing). also read about the basic of exposure - shutter speed, aperture, and ISO.

by the way, uploading directly to lowyat will degrade the quality, particularly the color. here's your uploaded photo, edited using Mac's built in photo editor "preview", pull down exposure, increase contrast, and voila. at least it looked more decent, again, getting the exposure correct right from the start is important.

(flickr unresponsive at the moment, so i just upload here directly, so expect the quality drop a little)

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also, do upload your photos at image hosting sites such as flickr, so we have have a look at EXIF of your shots to see what can go wrong like wrong. your example shot probably due to aperture setting error, or wrong focus point, 60D can capture better detail than that in day time even with basic lens.

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I really think you need to learn the basics of the "triangle" exposure first : Aperture, ISO and shutter Speed.

Aperture controls Depth of Field, which is the area that is in FOCUS. Bigger aperture (smaller f number) = Smaller area in focus, vice versa

Shutter speed is how fast your camera mirror flips to exposure the sensor to light. Simply put, how "fast" your camera can capture something. Eg: 1/200 is faster than 1/100.

ISO refers to the sensitivity of your sensor. Eg: ISO 100,200,400,800,etc

Please do a lot of reading:

http://www.goldfries.com/photography/digit...erture-and-iso/

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p/s: Please provide the aperture, shutter speed and ISO values of the picture. You can find this by right click> properties>EXIF information

p/s: Please provide the camera mode you are using. I'm assuming you are using AUTO mode?

And just to answer your question, I think your picture's Depth of Field is not WIDE enough. This means that your camera's area of focus does not cover your entire picture.

Why is the picture soft or does not seem to be sharp? It may be because of insufficient Depth of Field or shooting wide apertures (meaning shooting at the widest aperture of your kit lens which is f/3.5) which usuallydo not give very sharp results. Shoot smaller apertures (bigger f numbers like f/8 or f/11) to get more sharpness.

Your picture is also overexposed. Adjust before taking the picture by looking at the histogram (or judge by your own eyes). You can also edit the picture using softwares like Photoshop or Lightroom.

Btw, good attempt on the shot. Glad to know at least it's properly leveled biggrin.gif
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post Oct 1 2013, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Oct 1 2013, 10:21 PM)
overexposed...first get the exposure correct. read about metering and learn how to look at histogram, usually achieving 0EV (center) on the meter is good to start with and not difficult to rescue with photo editing software (this technique is called post processing). also read about the basic of exposure - shutter speed, aperture, and ISO.

by the way, uploading directly to lowyat will degrade the quality, particularly the color. here's your uploaded photo, edited using Mac's built in photo editor "preview", pull down exposure, increase contrast, and voila. at least it looked more decent, again, getting the exposure correct right from the start is important.

(flickr unresponsive at the moment, so i just upload here directly, so expect the quality drop a little)

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also, do upload your photos at image hosting sites such as flickr, so we have have a look at EXIF of your shots to see what can go wrong like wrong. your example shot probably due to aperture setting error, or wrong focus point, 60D can capture better detail than that in day time even with basic lens.
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thanks sifu ,

really thanks
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QUOTE(deric79k @ Oct 1 2013, 06:58 PM)
after i back from holiday , i feel than my photo not really nice,
so plan to get some lens
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biggrin.gif its about technique..and pls shoot raw..will give flexibility to adjust your photo...
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post Oct 1 2013, 10:35 PM

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may i know where can i go for the basic class?
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QUOTE(deric79k @ Oct 1 2013, 10:35 PM)
may i know where can i go for the basic class?
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unless you want to go pro, i don't think you need to. as a casual shooter, once you understand the basic of exposure, all you have to work with is different composition and framing technique. along the way, you'll also learn how to get certain special composition like panorama, HDR, long exposure, etc...
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QUOTE(deric79k @ Oct 1 2013, 11:35 PM)
may i know where can i go for the basic class?
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you can browse youtube, there were tone of tuts and they were free icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 2 2013, 08:06 AM

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Learn Composition and Exposure is what i think you need first. After that learn to shoot RAW. After that only start think what else you need.
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Or if you prefer to do bed time reading, can get MAGbook on photography at any bookshop.

http://www.magbooks.com/
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i really to learn from 0 .

thanks alots


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Good workshops are worth attending. Paid RM 1.5k for a 3 day workshop this year.

As for basic classes, normally camera brands offer beginner classes. I've seen classes organized by Canon, Nikon and Sony.

There are other classes too, or simple seminar / talk. I'm giving a talk on Saturday on food photography. smile.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 4 2013, 03:21 AM)
Good workshops are worth attending. Paid RM 1.5k for a 3 day workshop this year.

As for basic classes, normally camera brands offer beginner classes. I've seen classes organized by Canon, Nikon and Sony.

There are other classes too, or simple seminar / talk. I'm giving a talk on Saturday on food photography. smile.gif
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Where u will giving talk?how to attend?

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first. Subscribe to any photography magazine. Yes magazine teach us soooooooooo many skills. I like DCM and u should try. there are lots of project to be done, and lots of experiment. From the project they given you will start need and try to get lens what you want. dont stop learning yaaa. good luck!!

ops sorry, for beginner I would suggest 35mm 1.8 lens. you can experiment many thing with it.
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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Oct 4 2013, 09:31 AM)
ops sorry, for beginner I would suggest 35mm 1.8 lens. you can experiment many thing with it.


totally disagree on this one.

if you can recommend 35mm then others also can recommend 50mm and others.

best just to stick to that 18-55.

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QUOTE(deric79k @ Oct 4 2013, 08:44 AM)
Where u will giving talk?how to attend?
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My session is 6pm at Nuffnang Foodfest. http://www.nnfoodfest.com/about
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 4 2013, 10:17 AM)
totally disagree on this one.

if you can recommend 35mm then others also can recommend 50mm and others.

best just to stick to that 18-55.
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i just giving my suggestion laugh.gif
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Yes, but it's a gamble if you just go buy a lens without knowing if you really need the lens; and lenses are not cheap. biggrin.gif
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sticking with kit lens for a while is a good start, one can easily realize what kind of focal length often used. then only decide to get one that used the most especially in low light, one of the main reason why prime lens are made.

travel usually involve a lot of wide end 27mm-35mm for taking "what you see" at the scene, like street view, buildings, scene, landscape. occasion zoom is needed when the scene gets too crowded when you want to get closer to the subject like statue or stall or people or buildings from far away where you need to spend time walking to the place (time is precious during travel!). you can't beat kit lens for travel, which is what most people use their camera for. prime lens are useful for night strolling or indoor events or like what many parents do - shooting your running kids. so choose wisely. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 4 2013, 10:18 AM)
My session is 6pm at Nuffnang Foodfest. http://www.nnfoodfest.com/about
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Is something reletaed to food. Not camera lah

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Is something reletaed to food. Not camera lah
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Of Food and Photography with Canon
Learn a few insiders' tips and tricks about the art of food photography from the experts.


how bad is your English?
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 5 2013, 12:52 AM)
Of Food and Photography with Canon
Learn a few insiders' tips and tricks about the art of food photography from the experts.


how bad is your English?
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Sorry , my English really bad

So we need bring own camera?
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er, feel free to bring la. smile.gif More important you bring your phone because that's how you get to eat.

I'll be just doing sharing on how I take food photos, and will most likely have a live demo.

The live demo setup is done. biggrin.gif Thanks to Canon Malaysia for the 70D + ST-E3 + 600EX-RT sets. Later tonight (before I sleep) have to go try try some stuff.
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Read basic exposure first
http://digital-photography-school.com/digi...s-for-beginners

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/104298684@N04/10094319885/

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Thanks for sharing
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 5 2013, 01:01 AM)
er, feel free to bring la. smile.gif More important you bring your phone because that's how you get to eat.

I'll be just doing sharing on how I take food photos, and will most likely have a live demo.

The live demo setup is done. biggrin.gif Thanks to Canon Malaysia for the 70D + ST-E3 + 600EX-RT sets. Later tonight (before I sleep) have to go try try some stuff.
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Really a nice sharing session , now I learn some basic skill.thanks sifu
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oh you came! Thank you! biggrin.gif

Some hiccups by the organizer la, I ended up didn't do demo.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 5 2013, 11:33 PM)
oh you came! Thank you! biggrin.gif

Some hiccups by the organizer la, I ended up didn't do demo.
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Yaloh, no demo , too bad.. Normally which mode u set on ur dslr when u take photo?
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Usually either M or Av.

M when with flash.
Av when with natural light.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 12:11 AM)
Usually either M or Av.

M when with flash.
Av when with natural light.
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Thanks sifu, so need do any setting on it?
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setting depends on the situation. smile.gif I have 3 ways to go about

- natural light - Av
- flash - M + ETTL II
- flash - M + manual power ratio

I don't use flash with Av mode.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 12:35 AM)
setting depends on the situation. smile.gif I have 3 ways to go about

- natural light - Av
- flash - M + ETTL II
- flash - M + manual power ratio

I don't use flash with Av mode.
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Thanks sifu , I need shot more photo to get use my camera
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You're a fish tank guy - take it as a challenge to photograph fish. smile.gif They're VERY challenging to photograph.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 12:42 AM)
You're a fish tank guy - take it as a challenge to photograph fish. smile.gif They're VERY challenging to photograph.
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That's y I buy dslr, want learn it ASAP, so I can take photo for next year competition
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Here's the thing about fish, as a fish keeper I'm sure you know quite a fair bit about fish.

The trick about them is to get the lighting in such that it shows their color best.

For example, a guppy can look very different under different lighting and different direction.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 12:54 AM)
Here's the thing about fish, as a fish keeper I'm sure you know quite a fair bit about fish.

The trick about them is to get the lighting in such that it shows their color best.

For example, a guppy can look very different under different lighting and different direction.
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U r right sifu , I m into aquatic planted tank , now I m prepare for next year May competition
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your tank many fish? usually planted tank owners have minimal fish but if you do, make sure you get the colors right.

fish keeping is a really nice hobby.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 01:01 AM)
your tank many fish? usually planted tank owners have minimal fish but if you do, make sure you get the colors right.

fish keeping is a really nice hobby.
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My tank have around 60++ of mini fish.
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erm. 3ft - 4ft planted tank with a bunch of neon tetra ah?
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erm. 3ft - 4ft planted tank with a bunch of neon tetra ah?
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Yes, 4x2x2 ft tank , bunch of tetra .

Sifu where u bought the one hanger camera on waist ?
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haha when you say 60 fish on planted tank, I got no other guesses because

1. you can't be keeping 60 other type of fishes, that'll result in a lot of 'damage'
2. neon tetra is the one that looks really nice in huge packs, especially with a few tubes of lights on top shining on it. biggrin.gif

I was a fish keeper before. tongue.gif

My waistbelt is this http://www.spiderholster.com.sg/ I got it from them. The flash is hooked on another product called Spider Monkey.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 01:43 AM)
haha when you say 60 fish on planted tank, I got no other guesses because

1. you can't be keeping 60 other type of fishes, that'll result in a lot of 'damage'
2. neon tetra is the one that looks really nice in huge packs, especially with a few tubes of lights on top shining on it. biggrin.gif

I was a fish keeper before. tongue.gif

My waistbelt is this http://www.spiderholster.com.sg/ I got it from them. The flash is hooked on another product called Spider Monkey.
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U r tight bro ,

Only one type of tetra I keep

R u also into planted tank?

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nah, planted tank is the one that I didn't get into. The hassle of managing CO2 and plant. tongue.gif but it's one that I always admire viewing.

Neons would be better, Cardinals would be quite a fair bit bigger.

The nice thing about neon tetra it's that they swim mid level. LOL if people go buy danio, imagine 60 pieces all swimming at surface. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 01:58 AM)
nah, planted tank is the one that I didn't get into. The hassle of managing CO2 and plant. tongue.gif but it's one that I always admire viewing.

Neons would be better, Cardinals would be quite a fair bit bigger.

The nice thing about neon tetra it's that they swim mid level. LOL if people go buy danio, imagine 60 pieces all swimming at surface. tongue.gif
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Wow , u r so professional into this also.

When I was stress , I like sit in front of the tank n enjoy it .

For me dslr is very hard , too many mode m too many setting .
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Oct 6 2013, 01:58 AM)
nah, planted tank is the one that I didn't get into. The hassle of managing CO2 and plant. tongue.gif but it's one that I always admire viewing.

Neons would be better, Cardinals would be quite a fair bit bigger.

The nice thing about neon tetra it's that they swim mid level. LOL if people go buy danio, imagine 60 pieces all swimming at surface. tongue.gif
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Sweet dream sifu. Thanks for ur advice , need save money for the spider holder

 

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