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post Sep 30 2013, 03:53 PM, updated 9y ago

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Before I start, let's have this thread focus on strategies n methods instead of bashing others, I'm sure there are other taikor, leng lui, leng chai and smarter people with better strategy out there. nod.gif

Saw some comments @ MOVE TO COOL OFF PROPERTY INDUSTRY COULD BACKFIRE, so let me share mine in here since I am 25 and I believe in knowledge sharing.

2007 - I had my first fulltime job when I was 19 with about 2k+ package in IT industry, renting room here n there. Prior to that I was a student with about 3 years exp in FX trading and fundamental of investment, played it on my own free time as an interest n source of money.

2009 - close to 3k package. I had enough of renting, after few month of searching, i bought my first property, a 3 rooms condo in cheras @ 210k. It wasn't easy to get a loan from bank, but it was do-able and I did it. I used my savings + money from investment n trading + loan from my mother + loan from bank. Moved in with minimal reno n basic Cavenzi furniture, rented out the master room n mid sized room...

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2010 - Bought second property, 1120 Park Avenue, it was the HOT n affordable, so called high end flat at 265k. I shared name with my brother as we both wanted to invest, but lack of cash & borrowing capability, by joint name, we secured the loan. btw, we applied few banks, only one approved.

At the same time, I realized that I had to somehow increase my income to increase my borrowing capacity. Took some professional certs n started to job hop, by the end of 2011, my package was around 5k.

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2012 - Getting some side incomes, played around with 0% credit card balance transfer etc etc, nothing much to shout.

2013 - This is the year of reaping of what was sow rclxms.gif
- Planned to refinance my first condo, as the bank valuation is ~360k, but decided against it due to failed to get a loan with early exit penalty waiver.
- 1120 PA is completed, before the VP, I sold the unit to my bro at about 380k (market price was about 400k at that time tho), we will sort out the paperwork next year. He then rented out with our names in tenancy agreement.
- Just before CNY, I bought two units of SOHO in Cyberjaya, for a total of around 550k under commercial title. Managed to get loan by standard income docs, tenancy agreements and some FD certs.
- With package close to 5 figures. Now looking at EkoCheras which is less than 5 mins walk from my condo, the project priced at ~750k, hopefully it works out fine smile.gif
- For a better or worse future, now my debt exceed 1M, and for greater good, it might be 2M in 2014.

2014 - Refinanced at the first condo since bank value it at 480k.

2015 - Unloading and loading this year.
- Loaded 2 units Nidoz by Exsim in AUG, loan settled, SNP target End of DEC.
- Sold the first condo in OCT.

2016 - Finally signed the SNP for Nidoz.
- Sold 2 units of Hyve SOHO Cyberjaya.

Think positive, learning, planning and actions are main drivers in my life over the years. icon_rolleyes.gif

Prop Location Purchase YR Sell-off YR
Awana Puri Condominium KL 2009 2015
1120 Park Avenue Condominium PJ 2010 2013
HYVE SOHO (2 units) Cyberjaya 2013 2016
Nidoz Condominium (2 units) KL 2015 N/A

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post Sep 30 2013, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Candlenie @ Sep 30 2013, 04:08 PM)
Thats encouraging but looking at situation now...very hard to grab any prop <300k and we're earning about the same salary =(
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yup, its not lucrative as it used to be, but isn't that just the nature of any business?

<300k prop in KV, still got. The question is whether flat, shophouses and smaller sized SOHO can fit into your eyes or not.
There are hell lot of SOHO/Studio <300k in Cyberjaya.

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post Sep 30 2013, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Candlenie @ Sep 30 2013, 09:17 PM)
Even SOHO in KV is above 300k thanks to hardcore inventor. Only option is lower cost area and buy subsale.
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I just purchased at 250k before CNY, the price is up a bit now, but still below 300k for sure. last mth I chk, 80% sold only.

search around topics about dev on cyberjaya.
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post Sep 30 2013, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(jastan @ Sep 30 2013, 09:40 PM)
Normally lower cost area translate the rental is negative cashflow.  This will deplete ur savings for future downpayment. 

Buy subsale need high cash outlay. Eg: a RM 300 K property cost 10%  downpayment which is RM 30K + lawyer fee, stamp duties etc which total about RM 50K.

Practically,  one need few years to save RM50k. So, not easy to get another property in few years.

Wonder how TS got to buy 2 units cyberjaya property in 1 go.
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It's a new project, come with free SPA + loan agreement + DIBS (i opted out for one unit) + some cash rebate.
Booking fees was paid with credit card, and the balance transfer strategy was partial used.

hondaracer monthly installment is around 3k for both condo. The rest not yet started to pay as still under construction.

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post Oct 1 2013, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Oct 1 2013, 07:07 AM)
1/3 rule no longer being used nowadays... forget it... some banks can lend up to 75% of nett income... i applied a loan with a few banks few months ago... they told me... ppl can leverage higher than before... no need 5 figures income also can buy a 1M property... try ask the banker yourself to verify.
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thats right smile.gif

just make it clearer, i overwrote the so called 1/3 rule on my first condo with more downpayment & lower MOF.
for the recent cyber purchase, i think it was the FDs certs and clean CRRIS records.

QUOTE(Candlenie @ Oct 1 2013, 01:27 AM)
Forget to mention just looking for own stay. Forget about investment house when you don't even have a proper place to stay :-S

Btw TS mind to share why you look so highly at Cyber?  hmm.gif
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Its a very nice city with OK planning in term of infra, and a lot of projects booming there.
I am working in there, I see huge diff between now and 4 years ago, expecting more positive changes in next 5 years.

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post Oct 1 2013, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Oct 1 2013, 03:05 PM)
no lah, where got. I also want to know the tricks and magic. Im earning more than him (not sure he is saying the true salary figure) still cant achieve what he get.

But, he will mislead other young average joe here that year 2010 gameplay still can apply in year 2013/2014.
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what made you so certain that the game plan can't be applied in 2014?
if so, what is gonna work? can enlighten me pls? hmm.gif

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post Oct 11 2013, 09:43 PM

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by the time u knew its low, its already too late.
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post Oct 17 2013, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Spritzz @ Oct 17 2013, 10:08 AM)
Excellent. .
I know a dato sifu who conduct training for investment property. How to choose a correct location, timing and price. ifyou interested I can share the info. But is in chinese
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high interest on it.
can i have more info pls? unsure.gif
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post Oct 17 2013, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Spritzz @ Oct 17 2013, 02:45 PM)
Basically, he is more to conducting courses and training on choosing right property, in right time at right price. Also, teaching the investment skill (e.g how you can own more than 5 properties? how to deal with financial/bank loan?)  More practical and with real cases.

Besides, his company will invest $10mil per year at least, so you can follow him invest what he selected.

That's all i know roughly. For more information, you can directly call their company. I am here to share what i think the best for all bros here.

I don't want to see brother here, buying a depreciation instead of appreciation property. We have hard earn money.

my 2 cents.
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just saw ur post about the event, thanks.
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post Oct 21 2013, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Oct 21 2013, 04:45 PM)


To make matters worse, exemption is for RM10k and below.


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huh? i tot there is no limit on how much can be expected as long as one in a life time?
if like that, then better use as long as the RPGT is >10k?
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post Oct 21 2013, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Oct 21 2013, 10:10 PM)
Oh no, you're referring to another exemption already. Basically, there are 3 cases for exemption, under the current 1976 act.
(a) RPGT exemption on gains from the disposal of one residential property
once in a lifetime to individuals;
(b) RPGT exemption of up to RM 10,000 or 10% of the net gains,
(whichever is higher) from the disposal of real property by individuals;
and
© RPGT exemption on gains arising from the disposal of real property
between family members (e.g. husband and wife, parents and children,
and grandparents and grandchildren).

I am referring to the 2nd one, whereby as long as the amount to te paid is less than RM10k or 10% of net gains, then one will be exempted from RPGT.
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its crystal clear now.
thank you for taking the time for above info, much appreciate it. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Oct 25 2013, 07:25 PM

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no more DIBS and increased RPGT.

seem like need to adjust the game plan.
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post Jan 25 2014, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(shinebr8 @ Jan 24 2014, 10:48 PM)
Wats yr gameplan now? 2 soho units in sibehfar land tongue.gif
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just let it be until VP.

since i failed on Eko Cheras, I am refinancing my 1st prop, its already approved, just waiting for legal process now.
Will keep some bullet to survive through bad times, just in case... If price is good, might grab few bargains from the crisis drool.gif
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post Feb 28 2014, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(iz_meched @ Feb 14 2014, 10:15 AM)
thanks for sharing...
Same with you... 2010 with salary 2.5k i buy Semi D 40'x80' with built area 3000sf at Melaka about 250k with 1k monthly installment. im lucky that time im apart of first bid group. The developer offer to o many pakej including 0 down payment, free legal fee, stamping, free kitchen cabinet and ect. At same time im working at S.alam... now that properties i rent to people with monthly 1.5k. that time i got extra income rm500

2013 with salary 5k i buy the 550k superlink 24'x80'. also same with my first properties 0 downpayment, free legal fee, free MOT and ect. with monthly payment is 2.5k and rental 3.0k.

Now im looking for others properties like shop  lot. Any suggestion??
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initially i had the idea of shoplot, then decided to swtich to 2 units of condo/service apartment instead to reduce the risk of no tenant, easier to sell + flexibility should i only want to sell one.
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post Mar 3 2014, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(alpha team @ Mar 3 2014, 02:40 PM)
must be support by family 1 la..
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I'm sorry that your imagination is diff from reality.
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post Mar 4 2014, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(alpha team @ Mar 4 2014, 09:44 AM)
u say u got loan from mother 1 woh...

so u think now is time to buy prop for invest o not?
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i think still do-able, but not as lucative as last time.

i was referring to the salary increase over years... actually the purcahse could have be done without family loan, just that it would sucked me dry if i did sweat.gif
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post Nov 23 2015, 11:30 PM

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Just sold the very first condo that I had...

But then loaded up 2 more units at Nidoz by Exsim before the year end, each at about 800k each. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_idea.gif brows.gif
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post Nov 24 2015, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Nov 24 2015, 08:22 AM)
wow. why 2 biji in nidoz may i ask?
and have you dispose of any of your previous purchase?
cheras?cyberjaya?1120? etc?
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yes for 1120, mention in 1st post.
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post Dec 5 2015, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(hondaracer @ Nov 29 2015, 12:53 PM)
How many do you have now? If you do not mind, pls share unit and original price with current market price and rental?
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updated little bit, numbers wise you u need to spend time on it brows.gif
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post Dec 5 2015, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(summer_86 @ Dec 5 2015, 11:21 PM)
What make you so confident on Nidoz ?bought two unit at same time
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i like the concept n design, value for money deal.

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