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Science Doubt : Going for PhD, Reseach in Science

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post Oct 3 2013, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(QDaMonster @ Sep 30 2013, 10:17 AM)
I like lab work but my lecturer told me once that doing research is all about the efforts you give in which means you need to sacrifice lots of time in it. I'm thinking that if I really choose to pursue Master then sooner and later need to get a PhD as well.
Life as a Doctoral Student? Some find the balanced lifestyle and some are struggling. At the end of the day, you will get the ratio of those with the similar experience to those without (e.g. 1 = 50/50). Making a wise decision is essential to career planning. Therefore, what is your threshold to clear or confirm your doubt? sweat.gif
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post Oct 9 2013, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(LoveMeNot @ Oct 9 2013, 09:23 PM)
The problem with graduates nowadays is they'd prefer to continue their study even without knowing what they actually want to do. In the end, having a PhD or a Master may not be beneficial anymore as it may not be related to their future job.
Based on your findings, Why do graduates nowadays prefer to continue study? unsure.gif
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post Oct 9 2013, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(LoveMeNot @ Oct 9 2013, 09:57 PM)
1. unsure of what they want to do-thus furthering study because they are not ready to face the working world

2. naive; thinking that the higher you go, the better it'll be without considering IF this is what they'll be doing in the future.

3. study till the highest level; then only search for job without considering if that job requires this kinda qualification?
We call this group of people "anti-visionary"... these people tend to go down the rabbit trails. shakehead.gif

Does this [statistics] have something to with "Culture"? sweat.gif

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post Oct 11 2013, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 10 2013, 12:45 PM)
Study master or phd no future. Better start career early. In sales line when u start after degree u already own a house when ppl finish master/phd. When they start buy house u already finish paying for your house.
One of the limitations with this reasoning is that it does not explain Why do so few sales people get rich? sweat.gif

In fact, WintersuN's argument seemed to rely too heavily on time comparison. It also seems that WintersuN's understanding of the postgraduate study is questionable. Like LoveMeNot, postgraduate study can be the foundation to a great career. WintersuN's interpretation of "Study master or PhD no future" tends to overlook the fact that postgraduate studies can help one's career in lots of ways, such as specialising in the field of study, increasing your salary, gaining access to industry and forging invaluable contacts, etc.
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post Oct 11 2013, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 08:17 AM)
Its difficult to explain to ppl who never experience before cos if u experience study masters/phd before and look for job in the corporate you will know. If continue as lecturer in academic field ok la..
Thanks for sharing your painful experience and now I know. It's true that postgraduate studies may not be for everyone. And it's probably quite difficult for some salespeople who hold Master/PhD and DO NOT excel in their career to envision the many benefits of postgraduate study, as well as to open doors of marketing opportunity to new or related fields of career.

Good luck! laugh.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 01:21 PM)
Im just saying master/phd no future cos just having phd doesnt make u the best candidate out there. If u r employer u will not take phd student over a degree grad who already have 5 yrs experience in the job you r looking for
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It's true that having a PhD doesn't necessarily make one the best candidate in a job interview. But your statement does not explain why would a PhD holder compete in Diploma/Bachelor-qualified sales jobs? hmm.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(LoveMeNot @ Oct 11 2013, 03:33 PM)
Different type of masters for different field my friend. Having a science master may not be beneficial if you are in the management line.
Do you consider a Technical Director with a PhD and an Engineering Manager with MSc not part of the Corporate Management? hmm.gif

In large and high-value construction projects, we prefer a project manager with PMP qualification. Half of them that I encountered have postgraduate degrees.
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post Oct 11 2013, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(LoveMeNot @ Oct 11 2013, 03:16 PM)
aiya you all don't lari topic la. The focus here is on science related MSc or PhD. I don't think one need a Master or PhD in Science to compete in the corporate world. It is only useful if you are in the academic line.
Yes, Ma'am! blush.gif

Perhaps you think that you don't need a MSc or PhD to climb the corporate ladder?

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post Oct 11 2013, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 02:55 PM)
i thinku mis-track here la.. since when im talking about sales job? Im talking of getting employer with master/phd degree not care if sales or research or watever
Since Post #16 if you recall. Even if you generalize ALL kinds of job, the existing accounts fail to resolve the contradiction between PhD-qualified jobs and Bachelor-qualified jobs. Any idea? icon_idea.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(LoveMeNot @ Oct 11 2013, 04:01 PM)
It's certainly useful if I am still lecturing. But now since I'm in the management, it doesn't really help at all. I'm not saying it's useless. I'm considering taking up PhD non related to my MSc.
It's a good thing to hear about the usefulness of MSc in getting a promotion in management. Which division of management are you currently in? smile.gif

So... What kind of PhD are you considering? sweat.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 04:23 PM)
Perhaps I would write a book on how to be successful with just a degree, and name you as co-author.
The most interesting finding is that it'd become an instant best seller when you decide to write a book on "How to be successful without a degree." laugh.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Oct 11 2013, 04:36 PM)
It would also be an instant hit as almost everyone wants shortcuts to success. Whatever the definition of "success" is.
I've already come up with a good book title! icon_rolleyes.gif

PhD Boss, BSc Boss: What the PhD Teach Their Workers About Success--That the Bachelors and the Masters Do Not!
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post Oct 12 2013, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 11:55 PM)
Ya la u guys master PhD people always think u all very smart la... That's the problem with u guys, got attitude problem, not willing to learn and think self already very smart than other people. With this attitude, wherever u work also sure will have problem.
Most adults probably understand that the book title is for comic relief; a parody of Robert Kiyosaki's Rich Dad, Poor Dad: What the Rich Teach Their Kids About Money--That the Poor and the Middle Class Do Not! Do you mean Robert Kiyosaki has attitude problem too? hmm.gif

I'm not both and I don't know, but since you claimed that, have you found that so-called “attitude problem” with ALL Masters & PhD people in your life in every possible circumstance? Mind you, LoveMeNot has a Master's degree. By your claim, if everyone had that belief, then would it be sensible to say these Masters & PhD people would never willing to continue learning at the postgraduate level in the first place? shakehead.gif

QUOTE(WintersuN @ Oct 11 2013, 02:28 PM)
I'm not purposely post here to win la, but just share my opinion. If there are people who success have master/phd and success work in corporate in Malaysia, I'd be glad to hear his experience.
So when you shared that honestly to us in earlier post but now ranting on attitude problem, would it be fair to say that your “attitude theory” made you against yourself? My advice: Don't let your mind wander. It's way too small to be outside by itself. icon_rolleyes.gif

 

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