I have to agree with you on this. In lecturing, Master in Science is beneficial. But if you go into other field e.g. sales, MBA may be more relevant.

Also, like you said, it's almost impossible to do part time studying in science if one is working. I personally had to go let go of my job for both MSc and PhD to go full time.

I am interested to know the benchmark you are using to come up with this statement. Why would a MSc or PhD graduate face difficulty getting a job in industry if they have the right attitude, expectations, and fit for the job?

Try think in terms of employer mindset and you will know the reason

It is not only fit for the job and stuff but in hiring someone everything takes into account. Example u r phd right atitude, expectation ,etc ,etc candidate...

You are only focusing on yourself as a candidate why u r fit for the job. But u never realise besides you there are many more applying for the job and they are your competitors. As a phd you have no xperience in working field,etc etc..

The employer have many choices and they are choosing the best that suits them and it is not academic knowledge that they are looking at. Every candidate has their own unique skill sets.

This post has been edited by WintersuN: Oct 11 2013, 12:42 PM

Are you living for your employer, or are you living for yourself?

dafuq? ww are talking about getting a job now and wat r u asking..

r u gonna b your own boss after u grad or look for employment?

That is why I am interested to know why you assert that employers would not hire master or doctorate students. Going by your assumption, you might as well ask everyone to suppress their desires and ambition, and just submit themselves as slaves to whoever is merciful enough to hire them.

Im just saying master/phd no future cos just having phd doesnt make u the best candidate out there. If u r employer u will not take phd student over a degree grad who already have 5 yrs experience in the job you r looking for

Who knows? I may be an extraordinary employer looking for extraordinary employee and willing to pay extraordinary bucks. Just saying. There is no certainty in life. Just do what you want to do and be happy.

u mean having phd is extraordinary compare against degre having 5 yrs experience? I no comment on u willing pay extraordinary bucks.

Of cos can do wat u 1 2 do and b happy but not always your life in in your control. Many times u it depends on other ppl like getting a job. Unless u haf rich father then u can do wat ever u 1 and b happy. Nobody 1 employ u just ask your father open a company for u b boss.

If you think inside the box of course you are absolutely right. Going by linear thinking also you are right. You win on both counts. Congrats.

Thanks for sharing your painful experience and now I know. It's true that postgraduate studies may not be for everyone. And it's probably quite difficult for some salespeople who hold Master/PhD and DO NOT excel in their career to envision the many benefits of postgraduate study, as well as to open doors of marketing opportunity to new or related fields of career.

Good luck!

Im not purposely post here to win la but just share my opinion. If there are ppl who success have master/phd and success work in corporate in malaysia I will glad to hear his experience.

Most I know is that degree who enter Intel and from there the company give them scholarship for master/phd. That will be best case cost u already secure a job and at same time study. After finish u haf both experience and acedemic.

It's true that having a PhD doesn't necessarily make one the best candidate in a job interview. But your statement does not explain why would a PhD holder compete in Diploma/Bachelor-qualified sales jobs?

i thinku mis-track here la.. since when im talking about sales job? Im talking of getting employer with master/phd degree not care if sales or research or watever

You would at least need a masters to compete in the corporate world nowadays. For PhD, only if you're planning to go into teaching or researching line. Does not make much difference in corporate world.

aiya you all don't lari topic la. The focus here is on science related MSc or PhD. I don't think one need a Master or PhD in Science to compete in the corporate world. It is only useful if you are in the academic line.

Are you saying it is better NOT to have a Masters in order to compete better in the corporate world?

Different type of masters for different field my friend. Having a science master may not be beneficial if you are in the management line.

Do you consider a Technical Director with a PhD and an Engineering Manager with MSc not part of the Corporate Management?

In large and high-value construction projects, we prefer a project manager with PMP qualification. Half of them that I encountered have postgraduate degrees.

Yes, Ma'am!

Perhaps you think that you don't need a MSc or PhD to climb the corporate ladder?

This post has been edited by Critical_Fallacy: Oct 11 2013, 03:44 PM