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 Iconia W4 (W3-810 refresh) 8" tablet IPS screen, Baytrail Z3740 - Available Dec 6, 2013

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post Jan 26 2014, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Jan 26 2014, 06:58 PM)
what i like about my previous windows pocket pc, and my current androids, ipad is that they are able to do instant on and instant sleep (not much battery drain while sleep.)

Of course, the alternative is to use hibernate. So, my question is can bay trail solve this problem because I read that the processor handles power management very efficiently and almost as good as how arm processors handles power management. Thanks
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Baytrail Atoms, heck even Clovertrail Atoms behave like appliances like iPads and Android tablets. Not only are they in a special sleep state which they can instantly wake up from (as long as you didn't install any naughty drivers) like any other tablet. It can actually receive notifications just like those tablets as well, ie. the Modern UI Skype can notify you of incoming calls even though it's on standby.

Check out my playlist containing lots of info regarding the Acer W4.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvt8...x5nWP6ey1SVSAT2

This post has been edited by marauderz: Jan 26 2014, 11:51 PM
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post Jan 27 2014, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Jan 27 2014, 12:12 AM)

another question but this one has to do with size of screen. i once owned a 6 inch touch screen umpc. one of the challenges i had was to be able to see some portions of the program's dialog (settings) windows screen because they stretch until they go below the bottom of the device physical screen. And the buttons for cancel and ok get hidden because that portion is usually below the bottom of physical screen.

I wonder how do you deal with these problems. Do you install some programs like "UMPCScrollBarXP" or "WinScroll_569" or "altdrag" to help you move that dialog menu screen up so that the bottom part can be seen and accessed?

I like the idea of 8 inch but this is one of the things that must be overcome.

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Old 6" touchscreen UMPC? I think I know what you're talking about, hell I owned a VilliV myself, generally you shouldn't need to worry about it because the resolution of the 8" tablets are 1280x800, most desktop apps should be able to fit in the 800 pixel height without any problems, push comes to shove you could always rotate the screen so you have 1280 height instead there's always some compromise when it comes to using Desktop apps with touch only.

Do install the virtual touch pad though, it's amazingly useful!

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post Jan 27 2014, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Jan 27 2014, 08:31 PM)
marauderz,

I noticed that you haven't done any video to show how it feels when using stylus on the acer w4 and the dell venue 8 pro.

In Powerpoint for example, will it be easy to design shapes, resizing shapes, adding gradient color filling, creating arrows, moving shapes around ... just using a stylus or is it difficult to manage all these work just using a stylus.

How about handwriting recognition when imputing text using stylus.

One of the things we hope for when getting a touch screen tablet is that we can become less and less reliant on the mouse or keyboard.

But of course, when needed, the ability to connect it to a larger monitor, keyboard and mouse is a plus.
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Since you already mention that you know about wacom, I suppose you already know the difference between a capacitive screen and a digitizer? Why would I need to show the use of a stylus on a capacitive screen when it'd be just like using your finger... unless of course I get those precision disc tip stylii
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post Jan 27 2014, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Jan 27 2014, 08:43 PM)

Each day i am trying to convince myself - why wait for asus when i can already get the acer w4. Problem is I really love wacom technology. But don't even know if the wacom implementation will work out ok or not in this asus 8 inch. The stylus looks thin and probably it does not have buttons on it.
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I had the 2nd gen Acer tablet pc back in the day, and I can tell you that they CAN put a button on a thin Wacom digitizer.
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post Jan 28 2014, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Jan 28 2014, 03:12 AM)
Oh you will be surprise how some capacitive screens might behave well when using fingers but doesn't behave as it ought to when using a the stylus designed for capacitive screens.

When you try to draw a circle, you will get disconnected line of dashes.
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I'd think that would have more to do with the stylus itself rather than the screen right? I tried a few capacitive stylii, one was a flexible cloth which would bend when it was writing causing all sorts of problems, while the other was the rubber type which was just big and hard to estimate where the contact point is to draw accurately.
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post Jan 28 2014, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Jan 28 2014, 12:10 PM)
Hmmmm..... Doesn't sound too encouraging as regard to doing work using stylus for the w4. In fact, it seems that the non - wacom / resistive screen digitizer  of the old pocketpc days might give a better control and experience when compared to using stylus on capacitive screens? How do you see it?

When it comes to doing work using stylus :

Best = WACOM
2nd Best = N-trig / (Sypnaptic)
3rd Best = resistive screen digitizer
Last = capacitive screen digitizer
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Your listing of accuracy is pretty much correct, but of course here comes the cons of each method.

Wacom :- supposedly draws more power, Wacom charges a lot for it tongue.gif
N-Trig :- AAAA battery... AAAAAAAAAAA!!! Also, the technology is susceptible to noisy power lines and environmental interference
Resisitive : It is accurate as long as you keep it calibrated. also, requires a somewhat mallable (ie. not solid) screen therefore the display can't be solid and protected
Capacitive : Pro is that it doesn't need to be calibrated for the most part, con is that it because it's acting more like it's detecting an area of touch, it's hard to be accurate.

Now.. that said, I finally decided to pick up an Adonit Jot Mini since RadioShack was selling it.

What do you know? It IS an accurate capacitive stylus... BUT..

I wonder if it's due to how the capacitive screen works, drawing large big strokes no problem, slowly trying to write small things like words on a buku latihan? Nope, doesn't work well.
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post Jan 28 2014, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Jan 28 2014, 02:21 PM)
That was fast! Good to know that RadioShack has it. Now you have it, I can't wait to see your youtube demo showing the pros and cons of how the different stylus (styluses - don't know this is the plural for stylus) work out on the w4.
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Already did one between resistive and capacitive the last time. guess it's time to update!


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post Jan 28 2014, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Jan 28 2014, 03:43 PM)
Thanks for the info. It really looks good and quite worth the Rm179 considering the features you mentioned. The only issue is to use the bamboo pad, you must be at a desk/table in order to do work with it. Still I think it is great device. Although I like to break free from the desk as much as possible,  I suppose don't mind doing the work at my desk when the work requires more detailed concentration and focus.

And as for the jot pen, I really hope it is not as delicate as you described. Anyway, you have recommended 2 very good  options for the w4 in order to compensate for the absence of wacom.
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There are replacement disc tips for the jot as long as you don't break off the ball bearing pivot point.
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post Jan 29 2014, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(hart932 @ Jan 29 2014, 07:40 AM)
4. Haven't solve the extended mode problem. Using a mouse on primary screen is ok but mouse control & function in extended screen is kinda erratic. It depends on transmitted video signal & delay. So while you move the mouse, what you see on extended screen is different making control difficult. Mirror/ duplicate screen is priority in order for it to work as you can navigate on primary screen & let the TV transmission do the catch up.
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Have you updated to the latest driver pack from Acer Website yet? I think it was the one before the latest one which allowed mirroring at 1280x720 already.
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post Jan 30 2014, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(hart932 @ Jan 30 2014, 11:45 AM)

4. This is got to do with the Win8.1 on my tablet. I have the option to choose extend or mirror mode but the mirror mode just doesn't work. Dell & Acer have both release new updated drivers that addressed this issue before MS acknowledged the problem. Unfortunately, Lenovo & Toshiba have not done so & left it to MS to release a new KB update that is suppose to rectify the screen mirroring issue on all Win8.1. Will search the update patch later to see if it works.

smile.gif  Happy Chinese New Year !!!
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Inability to go into mirror mode is most likely a driver issue for Intel, since according to this (if this is indeed what you're referring to) it does mention that the driver must first be updated.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2904594

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post Feb 1 2014, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(alinafia @ Feb 1 2014, 01:33 AM)
hi, anybody got problem reading 2.5 hdd?
mine working last time, now not working anymore.
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Can hear it failing to power up? Try restarting and see?
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post Feb 6 2014, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(azeemzuhair @ Feb 5 2014, 10:08 AM)
W4 is having combo WiFi Bluetooth chip.  According to AzureWave website, the other model AW-AH389 has dual band support:
http://www.azurewave.com/product_AW-AH389_1.asp

Could the AW-AH691 has dual band too...?

Can any owners here confirm whether W4 supports dual band WiFi (ie 2.4 & 5GHz)...?
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How can one see wheter it's running on 2.4 or 5Ghz?
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post Feb 6 2014, 11:04 PM

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Happy CNY to all who celebrate it, I *FINALLY* managed to try the Adonit Jot on the Acer W4, and.. surprise surprise... after the disappointing performance of the capacitive screen of the Dell Venue 8 Pro, The W4 actually performs *quite* well comparatively, it still goes nuts at times and you still hard to push down slightly harder to ensure proper detection, which is a bit tricky when you can't rest your palm on the screen!
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post Feb 7 2014, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Feb 7 2014, 06:46 PM)

2. draw a circle shape on the slide.

My concern for the stylus is how it can perform

a.) when used for writing.

b.) when used as a mouse in a more challenging situation.
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Draw circle on the slide, you mean using the insert shapes right? Yeah, it's easy enough to insert a circle and then manipulate it thanks to the transparent tip design of the jot.

Using it as a mouse replacement, shouldn't be a problem.

Using it for writing... well, for BIG words, shouldn't be a problem, for small cursive writing like on a buku latihan. While the W4 behaves MUCH better than the Venue 8, it still hiccups every now and then.

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post Feb 8 2014, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Feb 8 2014, 01:14 AM)

Having a wacom pen is nice but i have also experienced losing a wacom pen before. Maybe the wacom pen for asus 8 inch  will not be as expensive to replace as compared to replacing a adoit jot, i don't know.
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if its the typical wacom feel technology pen, just go get a Samsung Spen for replacement, because it is higher in supply its cheaper than getting the actual brand one... Of course the problem is that you wouldn't be able to put into the tablet then.
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post Feb 10 2014, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(xiphone4 @ Feb 9 2014, 08:43 PM)
Why when i shut down the device. the white LED at the front and back lights up and never off?
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you mean when you turn off the device, the lights beside BOTH cameras come up? Well, if that's not a hardware problem, then it'd mean something is spying on you!
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post Feb 11 2014, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Feb 10 2014, 06:11 PM)
Just want to ask 2 questions.

1.) can the acer w4 boot up from pendrive or microsd so that I can run android-x86 or puppy linux?

2.) Is clovertrail really so poor in performance as compared to baytrail?
I read that computers using clovertrail slows down greatly when downloading something from internet, is it true?

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1. I think so, you just need to disable the UEFI secure boot protection

2. From my actual usage feel it seems like the bottleneck for clovertrail came from some poorly performing graphics drivers, but of course Baytrail has numerous other improvements other than having better graphics so there is a performance difference.

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post Feb 11 2014, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Feb 11 2014, 07:58 PM)
On another note, I wonder if adonit Jot stylus will play well with wacom enabled screens since it is also a capacitive screen. I remember marauderz said that the adonit jot stylus didn't play well with the sypnaptic enabled screen of the Dell Venue pro 8 but was very good with the normal plain capacitive screen of the acer w4. If I get the asus note 8, it is good to have alternative options and be able to use the adonit jot stylus in case tabletman observation about the hovering feature turns out true
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That's because all things point to the fact that the synaptics capacitive screen SUCKS BALLS! tongue.gif You should have much issue with the stylus hover feature unless there's some calibration or interference with the digitizer sensor.

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QUOTE(hart932 @ Feb 11 2014, 11:23 PM)
Why would wacom licence to asus & have the vivo tab kill their entire line of professional wacom drawing tablets if it performs flawlessly in a cheap Win 8 tablet? There are sure going to be some trade offs or else every digital artist out there is going to ditch the drawing tablet...
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That's because the digitizer technology they license to OEM's like Asus, Samsung and Microsoft have NOTHING over the best digitizer that Wacom has to offer, if you're an artist who is familiar with Wacom technology think of it this way. The digitizers in the OEM tablets are akin to a Bamboo level digitizer, where as the highest end that Wacom has to offer is something on the Intuos Level can only be found on the Cintiq companion.

http://cintiqcompanion.wacom.com/CintiqCompanion/en/

Note how it's digitizer supports tilt detection and 2048 levels of pressure.

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post Feb 13 2014, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(cphilip @ Feb 13 2014, 03:36 PM)
I saw your video on plastic moulding material you were playing with. It's interesting. What came into my mind is using it to make our own disc for a home made jot pro stylus.
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I'm pretty sure that's not a good idea tongue.gif Not even sure if it's conductive.

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