QUOTE(mym123 @ Sep 10 2016, 01:06 AM)
Out of curiosity, what's the price that you are looking at?Honda Jazz 1.5 CKD, Official thread!
Honda Jazz 1.5 CKD, Official thread!
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[quote=nm7,Sep 10 2016, 07:48 AM]
Need cash to top up for the property that i intend to buy....good investment opportunities..... [/quote] Like 1 week also kenot wait [/quote] Actually already waited for 2 weeks.....2 buyer already interested....both prospect buyer loan has been rejected.... This post has been edited by mym123: Sep 10 2016, 02:08 PM |
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QUOTE(mym123 @ Sep 10 2016, 12:13 AM) I wish that somebody from Honda Malaysia read this and explain the rationale using 0W20 for non hybrid Honda car....is it adequate protection to the engine? Or maybe the protection adequate during warranty mileage and its will damaging the engine after the warranty is over.....I doubt the SC intention in giving us this option for non hybrid model(using 0W20 EO at your own perils) unless they have certain info technically that we dont know.... The car is designed to use 0W-20. Why use thicker oil than what is it designed for? |
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QUOTE(mym123 @ Sep 11 2016, 12:47 AM) Recommendation from AmsoilRecommendation from Mobil Recommendation from Pennzoil Honda Manual This post has been edited by mayalab: Sep 11 2016, 01:19 AM |
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QUOTE(mayalab @ Sep 11 2016, 01:56 AM) Viscosity grades are primarily recommended according to the expected ambient temperatures of the engine.......e.g high revving engine is obviously need high viscosity EO....driver who always drive at 2k to 3k rpm maybe need low viscocity EO whereas those who always go to high rpm maybe need a higher viscosity EO..... so fpr me where the environment that I drive will be alway between 30 to 40 degree Celcius, i will always stick to higher viscocity EO than xW20....it might be different story to different driver with different environment.....Attached thumbnail(s) |
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QUOTE(mym123 @ Sep 11 2016, 10:48 AM) Viscosity grades are primarily recommended according to the expected ambient temperatures of the engine.......e.g high revving engine is obviously need high viscosity EO....driver who always drive at 2k to 3k rpm maybe need low viscocity EO whereas those who always go to high rpm maybe need a higher viscosity EO..... so fpr me where the environment that I drive will be alway between 30 to 40 degree Celcius, i will always stick to higher viscocity EO than xW20....it might be different story to different driver with different environment..... FYI this chart is only recommended reference for start-up of the vehicle.When the ambient temperature is 5 degree Celsius, we know 0W-20 provides a better start-up than 5W-40 of the same grade oil. When the ambience temperature is 40 degree Celsius, the start-up is not much difference between the two. I think we all know this principles well. The car should have an operating temperature of around 90 degree Celsius. When a car is running, the ambient temperature is pretty negligible contribution towards engine temperature. The oil is designed to keep running at the this optimum operating temperature, be it ambient temperature is 10 degree or 40 degree Celsius. Your car works the same way as your body. Your body temperature don't go up to 40 degree Celsius just because ambient temperature is 40 degree Celsius. That's why your car's temperature sensor always read a constant 90 degree Celsius. You don't see your car's engine gives you a reading of 100 degree Celsius, just because of an extremely hot day, unless your water pump/temperature sensor is faulty. So the assumption of 'my car runs hotter on a hot day, and a more viscous oil needed' is basically flawed. The key to select a proper engine oil spec is always refer back to the car manual. It is written as 0W-20, which means the engineers have done enough testing to tell you what is the best for the engine. Of course there are many drivers out there prefer to stick to thicker oils, mainly due to perception issues. However, scientifically the manufacturers have been telling you what is good for your car. This post has been edited by mayalab: Sep 11 2016, 01:59 PM |
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QUOTE(mayalab @ Sep 11 2016, 02:56 PM) FYI this chart is only recommended reference for start-up of the vehicle. The manual of Honda Malaysia not only suggest 0W20... It also suggest 0W20, 0W30 , 5W30 and 10W30..... There will alway trade off between different viscocity EO given the same Brand/ quality of of EO.... 20 will give better petrol mileage whereby 30 will give more protection against the moving part of the engine....When the ambient temperature is 5 degree Celsius, we know 0W-20 provides a better start-up than 5W-40 of the same grade oil. When the ambience temperature is 40 degree Celsius, the start-up is not much difference between the two. I think we all know this principles well. The car should have an operating temperature of around 90 degree Celsius. When a car is running, the ambient temperature is pretty negligible contribution towards engine temperature. The oil is designed to keep running at the this optimum operating temperature, be it ambient temperature is 10 degree or 40 degree Celsius. Your car works the same way as your body. Your body temperature don't go up to 40 degree Celsius just because ambient temperature is 40 degree Celsius. That's why your car's temperature sensor always read a constant 90 degree Celsius. You don't see your car's engine gives you a reading of 100 degree Celsius, just because of an extremely hot day, unless your water pump/temperature sensor is faulty. So the assumption of 'my car runs hotter on a hot day, and a more viscous oil needed' is basically flawed. The key to select a proper engine oil spec is always refer back to the car manual. It is written as 0W-20, which means the engineers have done enough testing to tell you what is the best for the engine. Of course there are many drivers out there prefer to stick to thicker oils, mainly due to perception issues. However, scientifically the manufacturers have been telling you what is good for your car. As the syaing says, there will be no one size that fits all.... The choice will be depend on the individual requirement and any other parameters such as driving style, ambiance, priority of the individual itself... There no issues of perception, its more on experience as a person who already drove, maintain and owning different types of cars for nearly 30 years.... Unlike yesteryear, today manufacturer wont build a car that will last forever or else they will be run out of business.... |
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QUOTE(mym123 @ Sep 11 2016, 10:48 AM) Viscosity grades are primarily recommended according to the expected ambient temperatures of the engine.......e.g high revving engine is obviously need high viscosity EO....driver who always drive at 2k to 3k rpm maybe need low viscocity EO whereas those who always go to high rpm maybe need a higher viscosity EO..... so fpr me where the environment that I drive will be alway between 30 to 40 degree Celcius, i will always stick to higher viscocity EO than xW20....it might be different story to different driver with different environment..... QUOTE(mayalab @ Sep 11 2016, 01:56 PM) FYI this chart is only recommended reference for start-up of the vehicle. When the ambient temperature is 5 degree Celsius, we know 0W-20 provides a better start-up than 5W-40 of the same grade oil. When the ambience temperature is 40 degree Celsius, the start-up is not much difference between the two. I think we all know this principles well. The car should have an operating temperature of around 90 degree Celsius. When a car is running, the ambient temperature is pretty negligible contribution towards engine temperature. The oil is designed to keep running at the this optimum operating temperature, be it ambient temperature is 10 degree or 40 degree Celsius. Your car works the same way as your body. Your body temperature don't go up to 40 degree Celsius just because ambient temperature is 40 degree Celsius. That's why your car's temperature sensor always read a constant 90 degree Celsius. You don't see your car's engine gives you a reading of 100 degree Celsius, just because of an extremely hot day, unless your water pump/temperature sensor is faulty. So the assumption of 'my car runs hotter on a hot day, and a more viscous oil needed' is basically flawed. The key to select a proper engine oil spec is always refer back to the car manual. It is written as 0W-20, which means the engineers have done enough testing to tell you what is the best for the engine. Of course there are many drivers out there prefer to stick to thicker oils, mainly due to perception issues. However, scientifically the manufacturers have been telling you what is good for your car. QUOTE(mym123 @ Sep 11 2016, 06:06 PM) The manual of Honda Malaysia not only suggest 0W20... It also suggest 0W20, 0W30 , 5W30 and 10W30..... There will alway trade off between different viscocity EO given the same Brand/ quality of of EO.... 20 will give better petrol mileage whereby 30 will give more protection against the moving part of the engine.... woah woah woah... calm down.... either oil works la.As the syaing says, there will be no one size that fits all.... The choice will be depend on the individual requirement and any other parameters such as driving style, ambiance, priority of the individual itself... There no issues of perception, its more on experience as a person who already drove, maintain and owning different types of cars for nearly 30 years.... Unlike yesteryear, today manufacturer wont build a car that will last forever or else they will be run out of business.... As long as the appropriate steps are taken. The oil should not deteriorate too badly. I have been on 0w-20 since the 2nd or 3rd service and still running quite fine today. Maybe the honda fully synthetic doesn't really last as long as one would have wanted which is why i say appropriate steps are taken. But, 20 or 30 weight oil works well. Not a lot of excessive burning off of the oil or anything so far. So, it should be fine for lugging around the city if you don't abuse the car a lot. |
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Sep 17 2016, 04:46 PM) woah woah woah... calm down.... either oil works la. Bro.....how ur fuel consumption using 0w20?As long as the appropriate steps are taken. The oil should not deteriorate too badly. I have been on 0w-20 since the 2nd or 3rd service and still running quite fine today. Maybe the honda fully synthetic doesn't really last as long as one would have wanted which is why i say appropriate steps are taken. But, 20 or 30 weight oil works well. Not a lot of excessive burning off of the oil or anything so far. So, it should be fine for lugging around the city if you don't abuse the car a lot. |
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QUOTE(mym123 @ Sep 17 2016, 05:11 PM) Uhhhh, i am not a good example as my driving is hyper erratic. I jus give you readings based on the econogauge Purely expressway at speed limits around 14kpl City drive on good days like 1st work day after cny and raya around 12kpl City drive with jam, travel 10km in 30mins type around 9~10kpl Giving it the beans, seen before as low as 5~6kpl Tyre size not stock, drop in filter, and some idiotic mods. Not a good comparison with yours as i only have a 5AT la. This post has been edited by nm7: Sep 17 2016, 05:31 PM |
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Sep 17 2016, 06:30 PM) Uhhhh, i am not a good example as my driving is hyper erratic. Your Jazz is the previous generation 5 Speed Auto ?I jus give you readings based on the econogauge Purely expressway at speed limits around 14kpl City drive on good days like 1st work day after cny and raya around 12kpl City drive with jam, travel 10km in 30mins type around 9~10kpl Giving it the beans, seen before as low as 5~6kpl Tyre size not stock, drop in filter, and some idiotic mods. Not a good comparison with yours as i only have a 5AT la. |
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