Mar 30 2005, 09:25 AM
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An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem
science has with God, the Almighty. He asks one of his new Muslim students
to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is
this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God
good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible
things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the
world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you
ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says
your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega
heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything
called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we
can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is
only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of
it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You
can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you
have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't
it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make
darkness, darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is
life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the
concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science
can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has
never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the
opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a
substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of
it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the
argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work
and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you
not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's
brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain,
felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So,
according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect,
sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all
that keeps things moving & alive.
NB: I believe you have enjoyed the conversation...and if so...you'll
probably want your friends/colleagues to enjoy the same... won't
you?...forward them to increase their knowledge...
Have a nice day..
science has with God, the Almighty. He asks one of his new Muslim students
to stand and.....
Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?
Student : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is
this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God
good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible
things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the
world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student : No , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you
ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says
your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega
heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything
called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we
can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is
only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of
it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You
can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you
have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't
it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make
darkness, darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is
life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the
concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science
can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has
never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the
opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a
substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of
it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of
course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the
argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work
and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you
not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's
brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain,
felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So,
according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect,
sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all
that keeps things moving & alive.
NB: I believe you have enjoyed the conversation...and if so...you'll
probably want your friends/colleagues to enjoy the same... won't
you?...forward them to increase their knowledge...
Have a nice day..
Friend: Have you read this conversation between an atheist professor and his student?
Me: Yeah, why?
Friend: What do you think?
Me: About the existence of god?
Friend: No, about the arguments used in the conversation about the existence of God.
Me: Well, the basic premise used is FAITH, not that I disagree with the idea that faith fuels the premise of both God AND religion.
Friend: So you think that the conversation is sound?
Me: Heck no! It is damn flawed in several instances.
Friend: Really? Tell me.
Me: To begin with, God is supposed to be beyond Good and Evil. Afterall, are we measuring God using human yardsticks?
Friend: Okay, then there is no way we can judge God?
Me: Yeah, assuming if such omnipotent entity exists.
Friend: Then, are you saying that it is true that there is no cold and no darkness?
Me: That's plain wordplay. It is a most juvenile attempt at science. There is a distinction between heat and temperature (link 1) which the student mixed up. Temperature is a measure of the energy of thermal motion and, at a temperature of zero, the energy reaches a minimum (quantum mechanically, the zero-point motion remains at 0 K). Heat is a form of energy, and everything has a temperature unless it reaches absolute zero (which is -273.16 degree celsius, not -458). I don't think anything can hit "458 degrees below zero" celsius. Even when we hit absolute zero, some oscillation still occur (link 2). In any case, the opposite of COLD is HOT, not heat.
Friend: Heh. So, there is such a thing as cold afterall!
Me: Of course. You know, the two examples of cold and darkness bit is to DEMONSTRATE the supposed absurdity of the Professor to say that God is evil to allow bad things.
Friend: So?
Me: So, it means that the student thought that he was being smart by using the Professor's mistake of finite concept of God against him.
Friend: Basically you're saying...
Me: Yes, both of them are morons. You see, we CAN measure heat AND light. So the example doesn't work. Notice that he said "Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it". Sounds smart, but I read somewhere (link 3) where the writer said that "a rock is absent of life, no? But would you call the rock dead?" DOH!
Friend: hahaha...
Me: If this way of argument works, I suppose, we have no stupidity either - because apparently it is only the absence of intelligence. We also don't have losers - because of the absence of victory. And we also don't have deserts - because of the absence of forests. DOH!
Friend: How about evolution?
Me: Evolution Theories doesn't say that we evolved from monkeys.
Friend: Oh yeah, you mentioned about that a long time ago. But it doesn't change the fact that the Professor is a preacher of evolution because he hasn't seen it happen?
Me: The theories of evolution, in rudimentary biology, at micro and cellular level, have been well documented and observed. It is the macro level that spans over a long period of time that is difficult to establish, as gaps in the fossil records show. However, bear in mind that the Professor is teaching evolution theories as a THEORY and not like preachers who teach Creationism as a FACT.
Friend: Yeah! So how about the Professor's brain bit?
Me: Stupidest argument I ever heard in my life. I don't have to take it on a faith basis that my lecturers have brains although I haven't checked everyone of them (x-rays or MRI scans), but FACT is, my lecturers probably can't walk, talk, see, jump, spew crap and give us lousy assignments without a brain. Although I must confess that the latter two actions has got more to do with poor utility of the brain than the lack of it.
Friend: So in conclusion the conversation is built on false premises and fake?
Me: Fake like our conversation, but dumberer.
Link 1
http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/staff/blynds/tmp.html
Link 2
http://www.pa.msu.edu/~sciencet/ask_st/012992.html
Link 3
http://atheist.8k.com/apbredux.html
ripped it from xfresh.. hehe...
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