If... Ifff... If ToT, macro economy, National security strategy and others are not in our priority, we maybe can get like these


Iver Huitfeldt class
USD333 million


Valour class
USD327 million


Modified KDX-I for RTN
USD468 million

lebih kurang je rasanya



our sgpv is also around 3000ton range

but i think we should opt for 76mm gun and phalanx though (there might be a possibility to arm our sgpv with JSM. though i'm perfectly fine with MM40 mark 3)

well there's also the issue of streamlining logistics so i can understand why we choose 57mm guns and them 30mm cannon

"They" said, 57mm perform better than 76mm as anti-air gun. I think that's why we choose DS30M as 3rd layer air defence. Any Gatling gun CIWS pair with a 57mm look like a redundant to me.

If we want to use Bofors 57 mm 3P ammunitions, than it will be redundant. It got same max effective range with gun based CIWS (+-4 km).

if there is one thing good about 57mm gun we're currently using, it's the rate of fire.

like i said previously, it's about logistics. we're only getting one vessel right now. it's probably better to streamline the ammunition calibre, rather than getting a new one (76mm). having a different calibre gun will disrupt logistics in all naval bases

so unless we're getting,like 3 more SGPVs, i think 56mm gun and the secondary 30mm msi gun is sufficient. yes we want our new toys to be all fly but maintaining it is equally important

Millennium for CIWS

but why it called Patrol vessel?

news from france... 3/oct

(using google translate)
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-financ...le-de-mbda.html  

Defence: three new export contracts into the hands of MBDA

MBDA wins in Malaysia and ... Vietnam

MBDA is waiting for a notification (LOA or Letter of Approval) a contract for the installation of missile on the six corvettes Gowind, whose design was sold by DCNS kind . The amount of the order is valued at just under 100 million euros. But who says shooting facilities said future orders missiles. MBDA and should sell surface-to-air missiles VL Mica, and anti-ship Exocet block 3. The future control is estimated between 300 and 400 million euros. A beautiful victory over U.S. rivalRaytheon who presented the ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile).

Reportedly, MBDA will also equip them with the VL Mica and Exocet two corvettes Dutch shipyard Damen purchased by Vietnam (+ two optional). A new very nice shot for MBDA.

In addition to these three contracts, MBDA never announces the signing of the export contracts due to the discretion of the customer, was up, according to La Tribune, some nice contracts, which will join the orders of 2013 . And maybe even surpassed the record in 2012 (1.5 billion euros) . Especially if the missile is able to finally get one of mégacontrats on which it competes, including through combat aircraft (including Rafale, Eurofighter and Gripen but even Tornado).

VL-MICA win..... ？
sad news if true .....

http://www.defencereviewasia.com/articles/...into-two-halves

RMN prefer sea spparow and naval strike missile for it sgpv. I think because sea sparow is battle proven in sea combat while mica is relatively new system

but seem that there no fund and have to go for cheaper option. Then again why cant the gomen give wat the navy wants for national defence instead of some program of giving free money everywhere

like there no priority for defense instead donate and throw money everywhere

some big amount is pay for TOT and Intellectual Property（IP) licensing  for local production. (some military expert said)

I wonder how the top management of Navy react to this issue.

what's wrong with MM40 block 3 anyway?

as for the air defence,should be aster 30 but i'd take mica if that means more missile that can be carry. this is SGPV people, not DDG. should be a big advance compared to sea-wolf

besides we've operated both exocet missile and ds30 gun currently. is it really cost effective to use totally different weapon system on just one ship?

lol i heard frm th othr forum said tht Malaysian governmnt. can't afford such expensive essm such things coz we hv a prob. with  budget

i don't think DS-30 is what you can call a CIWS. DS-30 should be as secondary gun for the ship. it took oto melara role, to shoot pirate,mundus, speedboats filled with kiram's boys in the water,that kind of thing.

i understand what you mean, though. some ship have both system installed. Mica can take the role of asm defence,though having a CIWS meant that the ship has higher survivability against asm. at 3000k ton, it can accomodate both system( DS-30 and CIWS)

which leave us air defence missile. i'm contented with having Mica, though we should go for aster-30

what is our planned?

NSM range 180 kms base price US$ 1m (2010 )
MM.40 Block 3 range 180 kms price US$ $3.5 m - US$ 4 m (2009)

ESSM range 50kms price US$ 800,000
Mica range 20km price EURO  1.2m -1.7m(2009) (US$ 1.7 m -US$2.3m)


WHAT CHEAPER VERSION...DOWNGRADED CAPABILITY AND MORE EXPENSIVE VERSION !!!!!
As for the DSI 30mm which are we getting ? Is it the

1)  DS30M Mark 2 Automated Small Calibre Gun  (DS 30B Mk2 equipped with offboard sensors, the ATK 30mm Bushmater Mk44 cannon (instead of the Oerlikon) and Seahawk fire control systems)
or
2 )  the more capable Seahawk Sigma which has Thales LMM lightweight multi-role missile ( based on the Starstreak missile) on 30mm MSI DS30 Mount and entering service in 2015 with the Royal Navy.

Incidentally the LMM has a range of up to 8 km and LMM will also be equipping the Agusta Westland AW159 Lynx Wildcat naval helicopter. Alternatively the system can use the Mistral missile.

If its the Seahawk Sigma then  it as it will have a total of 7 LMM missiles on each 30mm MSI DS30 mount bringing the total to  to 14 LMM per ship. Also the fact that it is light weight and looking at the design i think it can easily be reloaded at sea.( LMM specs :- weight 13 kg, length 1.3 m, speed 1.5 mach, warhead 3 kg, Guidance system  Multi-mode guidance (Laser beam riding and/or semi active laser & IR terminal homing).

But doubtful LMM can engage missile threats !