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post Oct 15 2013, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 15 2013, 07:42 PM)
visby is lighter than gowind and looks more stealthier due to its shape..but its armanent seem rather less than gowind..n correct me if i'm wrong, it doesn't have any SAM on it??
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Due to budget constraint SAM were not installed.
Visby is below 900tons, way lighter even compare to samudera class

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post Oct 15 2013, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 15 2013, 08:55 PM)
another corvette?
I rather go for Hamina, can sekaligus repalce the FAC

ps: if you got this contract dont forget to employ me, this is my idea hehehe  brows.gif  icon_idea.gif
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Tldm memang nak replacr fac.
But not much news were out.
All i know there is some news on pv and fic.
25 fic were for mmea.
Not sure about pv though. Tapi pv budget kat rm1bil for 2 units

As for contact pak cik dw lagi best.
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post Oct 16 2013, 04:41 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 04:17 AM)
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2~3 days ago i got replied in the SGPV thread.

It's about the NGPV potential SSM. Is it possible TLDM got other option as well?
Why dont just stick with Exocet?
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Well the tldm wanted to use nsm.
But boustead prefer exocet.
exocet ssm will be possible retired by 2020 depeding on the new ssm missile development.
The more likely reason tldm felt that nsm is a much more capable ssm.
If tldm goes for nsm in sgpv will be going for the same if kedah class been armed. Judging from hisapmudin speech he is looking towards arming kedah class.
Not sure if he able to dig some money for its.

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post Oct 16 2013, 05:53 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 05:02 AM)
How about harpoon? US dont want to sell to us?
Or it is going to retired too?
Btw I prefer if our TLDM use the same armanent like what JMSDF did to their ships.
But maybe it is hard right?
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We already have harpoon for our f18.
Not sure if our tldm considering it.
I would like our sgpv to be equip with searams and phalanx as ciws.
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post Oct 16 2013, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 06:29 AM)
+1 on phalanx ciws.
RIM-116 ram? ESSM alone not enough?
Or it is more cost effective than essm to counter closer threat?
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Cost effective and provide longer range protection compare to phalanx. Searams range ia about 9km.
Good protection against threat like brahmos or any other badass ssm.
Essm would be better of killing aircraft instead than countering missile threat imo.
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post Oct 17 2013, 07:12 AM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 16 2013, 10:45 AM)
to me, MinDef better lubok for songlaping since any procurement can be kept secret due to 'national security'. Of coz, some procurement must be kept top secret due to its security nature, but many data can be easily obtain regarding on what type of equipment being installed. For example, the subs procurement, which many songlapers backers argue must not be disclosed to the public, walhal can actually be easily tarced back on what equipment being installed by researching the vendors involved. Only the sensitive parts like data encryption maybe not on the companies' datasheet. So, argument that we publicly say we bought 2 scorpene but also another one in secret is pure crap..
Samudera class have big potential for converting into patrol vessels, Dun think it would require that much of re-designing..
Once fully armed, Kedah-class would be quite awesome..
why not go for air-breathing supersonic anti-ship missiles?
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Well you have yet to see moe and moh level yet.
As for procurement i always support full disclose of contract. If certain parts in the contract deem sensitive they can censor it.

For samudera they still need to redesign certain parts to suits it role.
Increase the space for its weapons deck is needed.
Rib davit and rib could be remove to make space for heli hangar. Though i would prefer it retain such future and replace the rib with fic instead.
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post Oct 17 2013, 08:25 AM

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US offered hot transfer uss denver + aav + super cobra + mrap.
http://www.janes.com/article/28438/malaysi...-to-james-shoal?
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 18 2013, 09:57 AM)
I dun mean using the current Samudera's design. I mean using the Samudera design to build a larger vessel..
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Larger vessel?
Use the kedah class design better.
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:27 PM

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Gunship like ac130 we dun need it.
Attack heli like viper is much more important.
Btw ac130 is way overated cant stalk enemy.
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post Oct 18 2013, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 18 2013, 12:28 PM)
its more of something nice to have..
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A10 lagi nice to have
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post Oct 20 2013, 09:40 AM

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Lol some1 potochop additional kill.
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post Oct 20 2013, 10:03 AM

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Our steyr yet to be fully replace by m4 i think it going to take few more years.
As for steyr issue were not due to license problem but due to the smeo decide to withdraw from joint production with steyr which result a major contract dispute btw both company.
Hopefully with smeo under nadi management no longer produce shitty riffle like they use to when under mof.
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Tomorrow majalah3 is about the bomb disposal units iinm.
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post Oct 20 2013, 04:11 PM

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Radiation poisoning kgb style.
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post Oct 23 2013, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 23 2013, 11:28 AM)
If it something neighbor does not have or similar, Malaysia would most likely it take it. Seeing our past purchase history

So offer dulu, tengok we angkat the bait tak.
Russia always wait and see, then just offer after reviewing others. Most can see Russian offer the best bargain for any deals
For marine, i think that not russian forte so they dont offer it, even if they have US have better equipments suited for marine than russia

Plus, Malaysia also have to buat muka with US buy something.. if not US muka masam tak beli apa-apa from him tongue.gif
Although, Malaysia preference now was from Europe and former soviet states

Malaysia air defense should improve since china planned SU-35 can now enter Malaysia air space. Long-range and mid range would be nice. Would be nice if there one SAM at peninsular and another at sabah. If any china jet come in, shoot them down into the south china sea laugh.gif
Wonder what anti aircraft system malaysia going to go for? Russian S300 or if lucky their new S400 or US Patriot system. Europe unlikely since SG sudah beli dari mereka whistling.gif
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We should get aew first.
Saab bamse would be cheap option for us.

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 23 2013, 12:18 PM)
or maybe its telling everyone I am coming, so everyone will shit in their pants  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

any hovercraft will make big noise, even those puny pathetic hovercrafts the Brits are using..but the uss denver is bundled with aav and some lcac, why not go buy...with the possibility of armed conflict in south china sea, we can either be US or China's beetch..
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I dun eeally mind if we take it to build up our marine and gain xperience on its.
We can determined the essential and core asset from its


QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 23 2013, 12:28 PM)
tuler, if the Indons can build their own LPD, why we kenot lak? If we are serious in establishing a Marine force, LPD is essential for transportation of marine force
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Ngv tech do try to get the deals on lpd.
Well it all still depend budget.
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post Oct 23 2013, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(ikmal2129 @ Oct 23 2013, 05:50 PM)
projek ni ape citer?

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Project lpd ngv tech.
Dia patut tukar main gunner with 155mm mark8 for fire support.
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post Oct 23 2013, 09:18 PM

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It based on damen enforcer ldp design
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post Oct 24 2013, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 24 2013, 09:06 AM)
looks damn nice...guess no funding..pity, if develop properly, then can market to other countries..
besar tul main gun dia  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif ...bukan slalu ye for this type of vessels, only have air defense capabilities?
Vietnam already got that..
I tot US once offered us PAC-3, knock down version but still a PAC-3..I agree with u, medium-long range SAM is essential..
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Tldm have long list of wish list but still depend on priority and budget available.
The navy and gov wanted to buy it but they need to fulfil main priority first.
I think we arr going to get more samudera design first 10units first b4 we go for lpd. That still under zahid times.
Hisap might change it though. hmm.gif

Small gun + defensive weapons module usually on lpd.
But i still prefer big guns for fire support, boleh tembak pantai. Letak astros2 kat heli platfrom. Kekeke.
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 24 2013, 12:38 PM)

aku pernah cadangkan utk design kapal bersaiz korvet atau large patrol craft, pastu letak dlm 3 double-barrel turret AMOS dan MLRS... tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Amos not long range enough.
Equip one on landing craft would be nice.
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QUOTE(James831 @ Oct 24 2013, 02:17 PM)
TLDM should standardise all the main gun for future FAC or LPD, just use the Bofors 57mm Mk 3 naval gun.

i wonder why TLDM love to use MSI-DS produce gun as secondary weapons on it ship, never consider using CIWS? hmm.gif
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That you have ask navy guys.
For ciws i prefer searams combo with phalanx or millenium or ds30sigma.
Hopefully our sgpv get nice ciws but rumors says it only equip with ds30m which is very sad for rm1.5bil.
I hope these is not true.
Fot goodness sake for such price tags at least get ds30 sigma variant and searams.

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