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Frontal view of the Indonesian Army's Leopard 2A4. (Photo by Hendar Ardiansyah)
Military Thread V10, Merry X'Mas and Happy New Year
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Jan 6 2014, 11:17 AM
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![]() QUOTE Frontal view of the Indonesian Army's Leopard 2A4. (Photo by Hendar Ardiansyah) |
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Jan 6 2014, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 6 2014, 11:13 AM) F35 tak payah. actually, I'm warming up for the Gripens, but only if we can get Gripen NG..good replacement for F5s..and since even wealthy Brazil also chosen the gripens, cant see why not cash-strapped us cant do the sameunless they able to reduce operation cost and improve its capabilities back to the orignal specification. Mkm+pakfa+supergripen ftw. |
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Jan 6 2014, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 6 2014, 11:20 AM) actually, I'm warming up for the Gripens, but only if we can get Gripen NG..good replacement for F5s..and since even wealthy Brazil also chosen the gripens, cant see why not cash-strapped us cant do the same Actually the frontrunner for Brazil was the F-18. The F-18 was eliminated after the tapping scandal by the NSA emerged.This post has been edited by azriel: Jan 6 2014, 11:23 AM |
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Jan 6 2014, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(azriel @ Jan 6 2014, 11:23 AM) Actually the frontrunner for Brazil was the F-18. The F-18 was eliminated after the tapping scandal by the NSA emerged. it was one of the factors Brazil didnt go for the F18s, another one was cost also..but the delay on our mmrca program is good for us since we are given more time to evaluate the contenders and maybe can even wait for Pak-Fa.. |
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Jan 6 2014, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Jan 6 2014, 11:20 AM) actually, I'm warming up for the Gripens, but only if we can get Gripen NG..good replacement for F5s..and since even wealthy Brazil also chosen the gripens, cant see why not cash-strapped us cant do the same I wont be surprise we ended up with gripen actually.I'm hoping saab offer us buy 1 free 1 option instead of lease. sure it were enough to tempt us on buying gripen. |
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Jan 6 2014, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE 2014-01-05 16:45 Military to flesh own fighter jet plan Delivery of 120 F-16 class aircraft targeted for 2023 By Kang Seung-woo The military is set to decide the airframe and type of engine for the long-delayed indigenous fighter program, codenamed KF-X, with the goal of deploying the aircraft from 2023. Twenty billion won ($18.9 million) from the defense budget for 2014 has been appropriated for deciding its design ㅡ a derivative of an airplane or a clean-sheet, brand-new airplane ㅡ and engine ㅡ one with a single engine and the other with two ㅡ seen as the final intersection ahead of kick-starting the KF-X. The defense ministry, Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) and Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) will submit their recommendation to the military decision-making committee as early as next month. The KF-X program, aimed at building F-16-class fighter jets with the help of global defense contractors to fill the fighter gap over the next decade, has been delayed due to budget constraints and questions over its feasibility. “The system development for KF-X that will produce about 120 home-grown combat planes will be on full display from this year,” said a high-ranking military official. “We have set sights on delivering the first aircraft in 2023 and getting the rest of them to enter service for seven or eight years.” The program, initiated by the late former President Kim Dae-jung in March 2001, had its basic strategy resolved in April 2010 and the state-run Agency for Defense Development (ADD) conducted a final study on the feasibility of the KF-X development program between 2011 and 2012. “It is time for the government to take action rather than still seeking advice,” said an official of DAPA, the nation’s arms procurement agency. “As we have reached a certain level of producing an indigenous fighter jet because the design for the KF-X program can be based on the FA-50.” The FA-50, manufactured by Korea Aerospace Industries, is a light attack aircraft that will replace the Air Force’s F-4 and F-5 when the aging fighters are retired. In November last year, JCS confirmed the required operational capability (ROC) for the indigenous fighter jet except for its design and engine. Should a twin-engine aircraft be picked, Korea is expected to go with a plan to manufacture a clean-sheet airplane, with the selection of a single-engine leading to a FA-50-based fighter jet. “A twin-engine plane would require more development cost and postpone the timeline, but we will see aircraft with stronger jet thrust,” a military official said. Korea plans to take advantage of technology transfer from its F-X III in the purchasing of 60 next-generation fighter jets for the KF-X. Lockheed Martin, whose F-35 stealth jet is the only legitimate candidate, has made a comprehensive offer through its offset package including technology transfer and engineering expertise. European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS), touting its Eurofighter Typhoon, is also offering to fund the KF-X program if the Eurofighter is bought. source |
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Jan 6 2014, 03:32 PM
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![]() QUOTE HQ-182 "Hanoi" - Vietnam Navy's 1st Improved Kilo Submarine. (Photo by thiemthu) This post has been edited by azriel: Jan 6 2014, 03:34 PM |
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Jan 6 2014, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 4 2014, 02:19 PM) QUOTE(achaq @ Jan 4 2014, 01:29 PM) thanks. lurk here in military zone as silent reader for few years. we are all learning from each other and sharing knowledge and info. |
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Jan 6 2014, 05:02 PM
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[quote=kimyee73,Jan 6 2014, 04:39 PM]
Nvm join je. we are all learning from each other and sharing knowledge and info. [/quote] So nice to have a warm welcome. Whenever I post an opinion, someone like to pick on it that I have to dig deep into the past to prove my point, spent so much time on that, lurking for me is a better idea. [/quote] must be becoz they think you are an expert. |
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Jan 6 2014, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Jan 6 2014, 04:39 PM) So nice to have a warm welcome. Whenever I post an opinion, someone like to pick on it that I have to dig deep into the past to prove my point, spent so much time on that, lurking for me is a better idea. Haha.Seldom see you post here edi. Sometimes it were to make the thread interesting and more informative. |
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Jan 6 2014, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(xtemujin @ Jan 4 2014, 10:09 PM) I'm also thinking of going down to the RMAF museum at Sungei Besi. There aren't much public transportation at the areas.Unfortunately, not much information about public transport to the museum. Tried to google and only came out that bus U432 does go to the RMAF Sungei Besi. Anyone here can give more information about taking the bus to the museum. Thanks. Perhaps kampung2005 can answer your question. |
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Jan 6 2014, 05:31 PM
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Incentives Matter: Military Procurement Problems In Malaysia
QUOTE MALAYSIA Malaysia is a country of about 24 million people whose ethnic mix of Malays, Chinese, and Indians has been at the center of national politics. The Malaysian government’s affirmative-action policies, which favored ethnic Malays, the bumiputera, have long fanned tensions among the ethnic groups. Ethnicity even played a role in the course of the only large-scale conflict in Malaysia’s modern history, a long counterinsurgency against mainly ethnic Chinese communist guerrillas.[8] With so much political energy focused on internal issues, the public has been generally indifferent to matters related to external defense and foreign affairs. That has had implications for the country’s military procurement. Given the lack of public attention, much of Malaysia’s military policies rest in the hands of a small political elite that operates with relatively little transparency. Decisions about military procurement often fall to either those within the elite or those that support them. That creates the potential for priorities other than those dealing with the military to come to control the military procurement process. Hence, some have characterized Malaysia’s military procurement as “rationalized decision rather than rational decision-making.”[9] Even under Malaysia’s standard military procurement process, an organization other than its Ministry of Defence can wield decisive influence over military acquisitions. When capital expenditures are expected to be high, the Ministry of Finance can actually issue the military procurement tender. While the Ministry of Defence may contribute its technical requirements, it is the Ministry of Finance that ultimately decides on the acquisition, which is often the one with the lowest cost. As a result, the military sometimes receives equipment that does not meet its requirements. Indeed, there are a few instances when Ministry of Finance tenders are awarded without even informing the Ministry of Defence. One case occurred in 1996 when Malaysia awarded a contract for corvettes to a German shipbuilding consortium; the Ministry of Defence learned of the award from the consortium, rather than its own government.[10] Another example where military requirements were subordinated to other priorities was the Malaysian government’s decision to purchase 18 MiG-29N fighters from Russia. At about the same time, Malaysia ordered eight F/A-18D multirole fighters from the United States. While the decision to purchase the MiG-29Ns may have been designed to demonstrate Malaysia’s continued geopolitical non-alignment or simply to economize over the more-expensive F/A-18Ds, it did overlook many of the MiG-29N’s operational shortcomings. In later years, Malaysia’s MiG-29N fleet was reported to have suffered from low operational readiness and higher-than-anticipated maintenance costs. Moreover, the Malaysia’s air force was forced to maintain separate supply chains for its two sets of aircraft, reducing their flexibility to operate between airbases. Such examples do little to help engender trust between those responsible for procuring military capabilities and the military organizations that must use them. |
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Jan 6 2014, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE TNI Commander To Purchase More Jet Fighters Antara, Aprianto Cahyo Nugroho - Monday, January 6 2014, 4:08 pm JAKARTA: Indonesia National Army (TNI) Commander General Moeldoko said it wants to increase the jet fighter strength for the Air Force, by adding the Combat Weapon System (alutsista) that exist today, such as the Sukhoi SU-35 and F-16. "It’s still on discussion, the Commander wants to add Sukhoi," said Moeldoko at TNI headquarters Cilangkap, East Jakarta, on Monday. He has discussed directly to the Minister of Defense Purnomo Yusgiantoro, who expressed his support to increase the Air Force combat strength. In addition to the Russian-made jet fighter, military commander is also eyeing U.S. made jet fighter, the F-16. "There are several options, whether we will take the Sukhoi-35 or the F-16 and its new generation. If we have the desire, Insha Allah we can," said TNI chief. Sukhoi SU-35 jet fighter is a heavyweight aircraft connecting the fourth and fifth generation. Currently, Indonesia only owns a squadron or 16 units of Sukhoi SU-27 and SU-30 which headquartered in Makassar, South Sulawesi. The Air Force also gradually received T-50 Golden Eagle jet fighter made in South Korea. From a squadron being ordered, Indonesia has only received eight units. source |
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Jan 6 2014, 11:41 PM
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Jan 6 2014, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 6 2014, 11:41 PM) http://www.eurasiareview.com/05012014-ince...ia-us-analysis/ |
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Jan 6 2014, 11:53 PM
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ofc la have to dig deep. even though this tered is more casual than the more serious forum dedicated to military news and discussion(like panggilan pertiwi, axis history forum, or some other military-related forum),do try to keep a degree of quality in this tered.
try to balance between weed posts and bash posts, and more importantly, keep it factual, with reputable source. that's all. |
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Jan 6 2014, 11:56 PM
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Jan 6 2014, 11:58 PM
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the "T" in T-50 means that it is meant for training
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Jan 7 2014, 12:03 AM
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Jan 7 2014, 12:13 AM
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different kind of classification la. south korea military is using american style designation, with the "M" changed to "K" usually,while the rest is maintained
russia dun use that thing. in fact their designation is so confusing, even they themselves got trouble from it |
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