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post Oct 7 2013, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 7 2013, 04:35 PM)
Have been attending marching competitions during secondary school with KRS, should be easy to pick up with this.

But jungle training never go through before, this should be challenging. Heard that Malaysian army is the best jungle warfare army in the world, looking forward to experience this.

I have studied radio frequncy, antenna, radar and electromagnetic wave for several years, do you think most probably which regiment will be assigned?
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indons gonna disagree with you.

signals (semboyan) seems most likely.
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post Oct 9 2013, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 9 2013, 11:00 AM)
lol
they really think they can afford to buy and run a nuclear-powered sub
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post Oct 10 2013, 05:48 PM

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Unit-unit sedia ada dari ketiga-tiga cabang ATM akan di latih bagi menjalankan operasi di darat dan laut (amfibia) . Inisiatif ini tidak akan memakan masa yang lama di samping penggunaan kos juga akan di kurangkan


doesn't sound like dedicated marine corps
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post Oct 11 2013, 09:55 AM

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since we're talking about marines:

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October 7, 2013: The U.S. Marine Corps is facing an old problem. Over the last few decades its weapons and equipment got heavier, so that it could compete with army units during combat operations on land. This made your average marine combat unit heavier and more difficult to move ashore for amphibious operations. In response, marine commanders say they would prefer to be a smaller force, one that concentrates on its main mission: amphibious and commando type operations.

Many marines are unhappy with the way they have been used as an army auxiliary over the past decade. The marines consider themselves specialists, while the army are generalists (and, for example, carried out more amphibious operations than the marines did during World War II). But by law (which specifies the minimum size of the Corps, a law that could be changed) and determination (of generations of marines), the marines have come to comprise a quarter of America's ground combat forces. That's active duty, when you count the much larger army reserve force, the marines are 18 percent of ground combat forces. The marines never wanted to be just another part of American ground combat forces. This has caused some tension within the marine leadership, as some commanders want to maintain as broad a range of skills as possible. This has led to disputes over how to handle development and procurement of specialist equipment, especially amphibious and armored vehicles.

The marines are also concerned with their relationship with the U.S. Navy, which has now formed another ground combat force. To understand how this came about you have to understand the relationship between the navy and the marines. The marines are not part of the navy, as they are often described. Both the navy and marines are part of the Department of the Navy. The Department of the Army and Department of the Air Force each have only one component, while the Navy Department has two (the fleet and the marines) who are separate services that are closely intertwined. For example, the navy provides many support functions for the marines which, in the army and air force, are provided by each service. Thus, navy personnel serve in marine units (wearing marine combat uniforms) as medics and other support specialists. In the army the medics are soldiers and the air force support personnel are all airmen. The use of the navy for support functions means a much higher proportion of marines are combat troops than in the navy, army, or air force. This gives the marines a different attitude and outlook.

Over the years, the marines have acquired more and more autonomy from the navy. When the U.S. Marine Corps was created, over two centuries ago, marines were sailors trained and equipped to fight as infantry, and they were very much part of the navy and part of ship crews. This changed radically in the late 19th century, when all-metal steam ships replaced wooden sailing ships. The new "iron ships" really didn't need marines and there were proposals to eliminate them. In response, the American marines got organized and made themselves useful in other ways. For example, the marines performed very well as "State Department Troops" in Latin America for half a century (late 19th century to just before World War II), where American troops were frequently used to deal with civil disorder abroad and nation building. During World War I (1914-18), they provided a brigade for ground combat in Europe where they demonstrated exceptional combat skills.

As World War II approached during the 1930s, the U.S. Marine Corps really ran with the ball when the navy realized they would have to use amphibious assaults to take heavily fortified Japanese islands in any future war. Thus, once the U.S. entered World War II, the marines formed their first division size units and ended the war with six divisions, organized into two corps.

The Marine Corps was no longer just a minor part of the navy but on its way to being a fourth service. Over the next half century it basically achieved that goal. But in doing that, the navy lost control of its ground troops. Navy amphibious ships still went to sea with battalions of marines on board. But because the marines are mainly an infantry force, and the war on terror is basically an infantry scale battle, the marines spent a lot more time on land working alongside the U.S. Army.

In response to all this, U.S. Navy began building a new ground combat force in 2006, staffed by 40,000 sailors. This is NECC (Navy Expeditionary Combat Command), which is capable of operating along the coast and up rivers, as well as further inland. NECC units have served in Iraq and are ready to deploy anywhere else they are needed. The 1,200 sailors in the EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) teams are particularly sought after, because of increased use of roadside bombs and booby traps by the enemy. NECC organized three Riverine Squadrons which served in Iraq. NECC basically consists of most of the combat support units the navy has traditionally put ashore, plus some coastal and river patrol units that have usually only been organized in wartime.

This new navy organization, and the strategy that goes with it, came as a surprise to many people, especially many of those in Congress who were asked to pay for it. It came as a surprise to many NECC sailors as well. The navy even called on the marines to provide infantry instructors for the few thousand sailors assigned to riverine (armed patrol boat) units. The navy already had infantry training courses for Seabees (naval construction personnel) and members of EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) teams. Now all that was combined in the Expeditionary Combat Skills (ECS) course, which is conducted at a base in Mississippi.

The U.S. Marine Corps has mixed feelings about NECC, for the marines have long been the navy's ground combat troops. The navy says that the USMC mission will remain. Thus, some marine leaders want to shrink the Corps so they become small enough to handle anticipated navy amphibious operations and not large enough to have troops available for large scale support of army operations.

In effect, many American marine commanders want to be more like the British marines. That's interesting, because British marines are called Royal Marine Commandos and are quite different from their American counterparts. Britain invented the modern concept of the commando but disbanded its ten army commando's (as the battalion size commando units were called) at the end of World War II. The Royal Marines, however, saw the commando concepts as a welcome addition to their own amphibious doctrine and retained three of their nine Royal Marine Commandos. Since World War II, the Royal Marines have maintained at least three commando battalions. Artillery and engineer units are supplied by the army.

Like the U.S. Marines, the Royal Marines realized that assault from the sea was always a commando like operation which required special training, bold leadership, and an aggressive spirit. The Royal Marines, like their American counterparts, continued to innovate. In 1956, it was a Royal Marine Commando that launched the first helicopter assault from ships against a land target (during the invasion of Egypt). The Royal Marine Commandos were used extensively to keep the peace in Ireland during the 1970s and 80s. In 1982, it was two Royal Marine Commandos and one parachute battalion that did most of the fighting to retake the Falkland Islands from Argentina. The Royal Marines have performed peacekeeping duty in the Balkans and Africa, and served as an amphibious fast reaction force.

While the U.S. Marines made a name for themselves with multi-division amphibious operations in the Pacific during World War II, the Royal Marines stuck with the commando type operations that characterize what marines spent most of the time doing between major wars in the past. Remember, the last large scale amphibious operation took place over sixty years ago (Inchon, Korea in 1950). Since then, the typical marine mission has been a quick assault using a small (usually battalion size) force.

In anticipation of this, the U.S. Marine Corps Special Operations Command (MARSOC) was created in 2006. Since then it has kept its 2,500 personnel busy with dozens of deployments in South America, the Caribbean, Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia, and Southeast Asia. MARSOC is organized into a headquarters, a two battalion Special Operations Regiment, a Foreign Military Training Unit, and a Marine Special Operations Support Group. There are 3-4 Special Operations companies in each battalion.

The marines basically lost two of their four Force Recon companies (one of them a reserve unit) in order to build MARSOC. Meanwhile, more troops have been added to division level reconnaissance units, to take up some of that slack. The Special Operations companies (with about 120 personnel each) can provide Force Recon capabilities to marine units they are attached to. The two Special Operations Battalions provide a combination of services roughly equal to what the U.S. Army Special Forces and Rangers do, as well as some of the functions of the Force Recon units.

With MARSOC the marines are playing catchup. In the late 1980s all the other services, except the marines, contributed to the formation of SOCOM (Special Operations Command). The marines finally got around to working with SOCOM in 2005, when it was agreed that they would create a marine special operations command (MARSOC). The Marine Corps had long resisted such a step, largely because of its belief that marines are inherently superior warriors capable of highly specialized missions. This attitude began to change during the fighting in Afghanistan, when marines were assigned to support SOCOM troops there and were duly impressed.

As a result of that experience, marines were attached to SOCOM for liaison and observation purposes. In 2004, the marines organized a company sized unit of commandos, Detachment One, using volunteers from their Force Recon troops, the closest thing the marines had to commandos. Detachment One was sent to Iraq, where it's performance convinced SOCOM that marines could operate at the SOCOM level.

Most marine commanders see their future as a smaller (by up to a third, at least) even more elite and better equipped force. The marines want to get back to sea, and the current post Iraq/Afghanistan reduction in force (RIF) can be done without losing a lot of the valuable combat experience the marines have gained since September 11, 2001. Recruiting was reduced for a few years, and some marines transferred to the navy (in jobs that both sailors and marines handle), especially the NECC force. Marines have long moved over to the army, and the army would be glad to get an infusion of combat experienced marines, especially NCOs and officers. The marines also want to expand their reserve force so that marines who decide to get out can simply move over to the reserves.

The marines who remain with the Corps will probably continue the more extensive training marines have been getting for several decades now. This makes the marines an even more elite force, which is what many marines are fine with.


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TLDR: US marines consider returning back to their original purpose.
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post Oct 14 2013, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 14 2013, 11:16 AM)
The decision to blow the 2 condor is coming from the the General Aboo Samah himself,
when he give the order to the ATGM team to blow it up, the US commander was looking at each other
they said that they would not have the guts to carried out  critical order such order without any authorization from Pentagon even though it was the best thing to do
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isn't is SOP for americans to blow their assets up to prevent it falling into enemy hands?
i.e. the american spy plane in china incident
stealth choppers in bin laden raid
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post Oct 16 2013, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 07:37 AM)
One more thing, Is tomahawk able to be vertical launched?
I only knew that harpoon can't.
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tomahawk vertical launch
old version - no
new version - yes

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post Oct 16 2013, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 09:13 AM)
Im surprised. Look how fat the tomahawk is.
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post Oct 17 2013, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Oct 17 2013, 03:08 PM)
huhu... just found out. viper can fire sidewinder and Apache can't.
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doesn't really make sense to arm with sidewinders, given that:
1. apache is mainly a tank buster/CAS role
2. you only deploy apaches when you have air supremacy, else your helis will be picked off easily by enemy jets

come to think of it, i can't recall any heli-to-heli air combat.

except this:


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post Oct 18 2013, 05:12 PM

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macam china qbz-95

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post Oct 18 2013, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Oct 18 2013, 11:10 PM)
so what does Malaysia do with those steyr that they phased out in favor of M4?

pass it to our wataniah or keep in cold storage? hmm.gif

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never understood why move from m16 -> steyr -> m4

QUOTE(kinabalu @ Oct 18 2013, 11:12 PM)
btw I found this pic funny.... how we train our commando

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no look like kita punya askar
macam thai
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post Oct 18 2013, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Oct 18 2013, 11:22 PM)
I dig this pic from flyingspaghettimonster find gold forum... they say is our atm commando training.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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the uniform doesn't look like atm punya
and the askar look like thai/myanmar/cambodia
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post Oct 19 2013, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Oct 19 2013, 12:24 AM)
The m16 was too long for jungle and vehicle based operations so they found a shorter rifle but not compromising range.

But the a-holes at SMEO couldn't build a proper AUG so the army found a carbine that unsurprisingly is now manufactured by the same geniuses behind the Malaysian Steyr.

So now the army now have a shit rifle made by a shitty company that also made the previous shitty rifle.

Two types of ammo, two training modules, two rifles and zero sense

Welcome to Malaysia
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the shift from conventional to bullpup back to conventional layout is the part that makes no sense for me, as you mentioned two training modules to confuse everyone.

ammo not nato 5.56 for both? or you mean magazine?
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post Oct 19 2013, 04:30 PM

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the 4 US services all have the "not made here" syndrome.

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post Oct 20 2013, 06:02 PM

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according to news (CNA), kiram's last words were: finish the fight (ala master chief)

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post Oct 24 2013, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Oct 24 2013, 02:17 PM)
TLDM should standardise all the main gun for future FAC or LPD, just use the Bofors 57mm Mk 3 naval gun.

i wonder why TLDM love to use MSI-DS produce gun as secondary weapons on it ship, never consider using CIWS? hmm.gif
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CIWS is for different purpose
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post Oct 26 2013, 03:10 PM

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the RELA uniform looks better than ATM lol
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post Oct 26 2013, 03:50 PM

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does rela actually need digicam?
sure, they're paramilitary but they're more like auxiliary cops than anything.
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post Oct 27 2013, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 27 2013, 09:13 PM)
but why it called Patrol vessel?
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actually can call it whatever they want.
japan has the largest PV in the world, it's 7000+ tons. and with weapons not normally found on PV.

our PV is PV + LCS and closer to corvette or light frigate in tonnage and weaponry.
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post Oct 27 2013, 11:14 PM

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malaysia military procurement: double the price, half the capability.
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post Oct 28 2013, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(Phillip_x @ Oct 28 2013, 07:31 PM)
According to Janes update dated 22 September 2013,  RSN only uses the Aster 15 on the Formidable class but its SYLVER vertical launcher modules is not the A35 variant which can only support the Aster15 but a differnt version which can support both.Also the French Sipri list states that Singapore purchased 300 Aster 15 for the Formidable class .

http://www.janes.com/article/27334/update-...uy-f-16-upgrade
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formidable uses the slyver a-50 variant.

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