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post Sep 30 2013, 02:13 PM

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After Airbus A400M, Europe faces dearth of big defence projects

By Tim Hepher and Brenda Goh

PARIS/LONDON, Sept 30 | Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:02pm EDT

(Reuters) - European politicians will toast the long-awaited Airbus A400M military transport plane at a ceremony in Spain on Monday, but face warnings that Europe's largest-ever collaborative defence project may be its last for years to come.

After a tortuous 30 years in development, the first of 170 troop and cargo planes ordered by seven nations grants Europe a step towards independence in military transport, a key plank of foreign intervention capability.

The ceremony in Seville, where the planes are assembled, will also kickstart an A400M export campaign, a glimmer of hope to a European aircraft whose foreign sales have been dogged by costly problems with its huge turbo-prop engines and a four-year delivery delay.

Still, the aircraft's manufacturer has questioned how a continent pulled apart by weak finances and policy rifts will address future conflicts like Syria, Libya or Mali - and in turn how readily nations will co-operate on large defence procurements.

"I think we are further away from a common foreign and security policy than at any point in the last 20 years. I do not believe we will see a meaningful (one) in the next 20 years," Tom Enders, chief executive of Airbus parent EADS, said last week in a speech on transatlantic security.

"I do not assume in my strategic planning that in the next 10 to 15 years there will be any new major European projects in our sphere of activity. I see governments are even trying to cut or reduce projects that previously been agreed," Enders said.

The A400M was designed to meet a shortfall in military transport capacity among seven NATO nations: Belgium, Britain, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Spain and Turkey.

But the 20 billion euro project went more than 5 billion euros over budget, forcing buyer nations to agree a 3.5 billion euro bailout in 2010, part of which is supposed to be repaid from export royalties.

Many analysts say the region's financial crisis has exacerbated divisions and dampened interest in projects that have a habit of running heavily over-budget.

"We will go through a phase now where there is not only little collaboration but also little investment in new products," said independent defence analyst Howard Wheeldon.

A recent decision to halt production of the Boeing C-17 strategic jet-powered transporter, a rival to the A400M, breathed life into hopes for new export orders for the plane.

Until now, the only export customer is Malaysia, with four planes on order. South Africa cancelled an order.

Airbus sees a market for several hundred aircraft. But the company has expressed concerns about plans by some of the plane's European customers to sell A400Ms they have ordered directly on to customers outside the region, frustrating Airbus hopes for producing extra planes.

Germany, Spain and most probably France, analysts say, want to jump in front of Airbus and export some of their domestic allocations directly to boost budgets.

That also poses technical difficulties over export royalties. According to two people familiar with the 2010 bailout plan, the first 174 planes (including Malaysia's four) are excluded from the royalty agreement.

Enders told Reuters that such export plans were "understandable" in the weak fiscal climate, but added: "As an industrialist, I cannot be very happy about this approach and I have to ensure we are not leaking value".


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speaking about tanks, should M'sia have more budget in the future, will we buy more Pendekars or buy other tank? i don't seem to heard much news about new kind of tanks, any new tank development program you guys heard?
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 30 2013, 10:01 PM)
speaking about tanks, should M'sia have more budget in the future, will we buy more Pendekars or buy other tank? i don't seem to heard much news about new kind of tanks, any new tank development program you guys heard?
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I think some other matters such as purchase attack helicopters and equipment meant for ESSCOM should get the priority for equipment purchase.
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post Sep 30 2013, 10:38 PM

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maybe we'll consider other,more capable MBTs. the purpose of pendekar is for us to develop our own tank doctrine.

streamlining logistic supply chain? to hell with it. tell that to RMAF
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maybe we'll consider other,more capable MBTs. the purpose of pendekar is for us to develop our own tank doctrine.

streamlining logistic supply chain? to hell with it. tell that to RMAF
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like what?
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post Sep 30 2013, 11:48 PM

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that's for the top brass to decide.
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Turkey Pushes T-129 Gunships for Pakistan, but US Could Scupper Deal

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Turkey has offered to gift Pakistan three T-129 gunships with further hopes of setting up production in Pakistan.

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ISLAMABAD AND ANKARA — Turkey is aggressively lobbying to give T-129 attack helicopters to Pakistan to replace
its aging AH-1F fleet and is prepared to agree to generous terms with cash-strapped Pakistan to do so, according to sources.

However, the US could sink the deal and make a counteroffer of helicopter gunships to Pakistan that could be too good to refuse.

Pakistani media reports state a deal with Turkey could lead to local production of the T-129 at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC),
but speculation that preparations are already underway to build a new helicopter production facility there could not be confirmed.

Turkey made its latest push during Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s Sept. 16-18 visit to Turkey for the Third High Level
Cooperation Council meeting. Sharif was given a demonstration of the T-129’s capabilities and a potential deal was discussed.

Turkish officials confirmed talks have “matured to a certain extent,” and Turkey remains committed to any possible deal,
not only for financial benefits but also potential strategic gains.

“We see that both countries are keen to cooperate,” said one senior procurement official in Ankara. “We have a longer-term
vision over any deal. We do not aim to win just one foreign contract but also view spillover benefits for the local industry.
The Pakistani market may win international recognition for the T-129 and pave the way for future contracts.”

The official declined to comment on the modality of any deal.

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Indonesia’s Air Force Adds More Flankers
By Defense Industry Daily staff | 6 September 2013 Friday | 18:00 UTC

Sept 05/13: Delivery. The final 2 of 6 Su-30MK2s ordered in 2011 have been delivered at Sultan Hasanuddin Air Force Base, along with 13 technicians to help with assembly. Sources: Jakarta Post, ITAR-TASS.

Indonesia’s turn toward Russian fighters stemmed partly from necessity. Its 12 remaining F-16A/Bs and 16 remaining F-5E/F fighters experienced severe maintenance problems in the wake of a US embargo, triggered by the Indonesian military’s widespread human rights abuses in East Timor. Its 30+ single-seat Hawk 209 sub-sonic light combat aircraft, derived from the trainer jets the TNI-AU also operates, were the country’s only fighter alternative.

A $192 million contract began to address that in 2003, by buying 2 SU-27SK single-seat and 2 SU-30MK twin-seat multi-role fighters from Russia. Indonesia submitted a formal request to buy 24 used F-16s in 2011, but it isn’t backing away from its high-end Flanker fleet. In fact, the TNI-AU has steadily added more. Now, they’re reaching out to their neighbors for training and support.

Flankers for Indonesia’s Fighter Force

Indonesia’s TNI-AU has now ordered 16 SU-27 family fighters: 2 SU-27SK, 3 SU-27SKM, 2 SU-30MK, and 9 SU-30MK2.

The SU-27SKM and SU-30MK2 export variants are the result of parallel upgrade programs. They share many modifications, including the addition of digital cockpits with updated avionics, additional wing hardpoints, carrying capacity upgrades to 8,000 kg of weapons, a wider variety of weapon options, upgraded radars and ECM (Electronic CounterMeasures to jam enemy radars etc.), and in-flight refueling capability.

These modifications change the SU-27SK from a dedicated air superiority fighter to a multi-role fighter and attack aircraft. The SU-30, which has always been multi-role, is simply improved. Both of the new variants share the Sukhoi Flanker family’s combination of long range, large payloads, and air to air performance that can match any American fighter except the F-22A Raptor.

Those capabilities, and Russia’s policy of avoiding political conditions on its weapon sales, nudged Indonesia into a tilt toward Russia as a weapons supplier. A $192 million contract began to address the problems created by the US embargo in 2003, by buying 2 SU-27SK single-seat air superiority fighters and 2 SU-30MK twin-seat multi-role fighters through Rosoboronexport.

The TNI-AU’s tily toward Russia continued, despite the lifting of the US embargo in November 2005. Russia’s MAKS air show doesn’t have quite the international clout of Farnborough or Le Bourget, but the price and quality of modern Russian fighters ensures its place on the international circuit. For MAKS 2007, its top military contract came on opening day. Rosoboronexport State Corporation and the Republic of Indonesia signed a $355 million Memorandum of Understanding for 3 SU-27SKM and 3 SU-30MK2 Flanker family fighters, building on the 2003 deal, and taking the country’s ordered fleet to 10 planes.

A month later, that purchase was followed by a $1.2 billion wish list of Russian submarines, armored vehicles, and armed helicopters. That wish list didn’t fully materialize, but the end of 2011 saw another 6 SU-30MK2s bought from Russia, bringing the fighter deals’ totals to 16 fighters and about $1.02 billion.

Simulator training is currently a co-operative venture with the Chinese, but by 2014, Indonesia expects to have its own virtual training infrastructure.

It’s all part of an oil-fueled modernization drive, backed by increased military spending. For more on the strategic and procurement issues tied up in this purchase, see the Additional Readings section, below, for UPI analyst Martin Sieff’s “Jets for Jakarta: A Whole New Strategic Game For Australasia”, and Air Power Australia’s “Sukhoi Flankers: The Shifting Balance of Regional Air Power”.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/indone...flankers-03691/



Indonesia receives last delivery of Sukhoi Flanker fighter jets, completing full squadron
By Abu Hanifah | 25 September 2013 Wednesday | 20:33:38

JAKARTA, Sept. 25 (Xinhua) -- Indonesia has received the last delivery of Sukhoi fighter jets it ordered from a Russian producer, thus turning its Sukhoi Flanker air superiority fighter jet fleet into one full squadron.

The delivery of the last two Su-30 Mk2 planes took place on Wednesday in Indonesian air forces base of Hasanuddin, located in the capital city of South Sulawesi province, Makassar where the air forces' 11th squadron wing 5 is based.

Those two fighter jets were delivered in unassembled forms, transported by Antonov 124-100 from Russian city of Khabarovsk and made a stopover in the Philippines' Ninoy Aquino Manila airport.

With the last delivery of the Su-30 Mk2, Indonesia now has one full squadron of Flanker air superiority fighter jet fleet that consists of 16 Su-27 SKM and Su-30 Mk2 planes. Those planes were produced by Russian aviation industry of KNAPO (Komsomolsk-na Amure Aircraft Production Association).

Delivery of Sukhoi's Flankers fighter jet planes to Indonesia initially commenced in 2003, followed by further deliveries in 2009, 2010 and 2013.

Indonesia's Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro, who witnessed the last delivery of Sukhoi Su-30 Mk2 at the air forces' base, said that the nation has spent a total of 1.17 billion U.S. dollars to buy all of those 16 planes as well as on ammunitions, pilot training programs and logistic.

Purnomo said that funds to finance the procurement of those planes were allocated from state budget and foreign loans. According to Purnomo, procurement of those planes were conducted in different batch of contracts at different prices.

"Price in the initial procurement period was expensive. Due to technical specification of the plane, the prices have been different from time to time. We have been transparent in disclosing both the number of the procured planes and the prices," the minister was quoted by local media as saying.

Since the last batch of Su-30 Mk2 planes were delivered in unassembled form, it takes a week to assemble the planes into ready-to-fly form and six more days of waiting before their first flight tests be conducted, the Hasanuddin air forces base spokesperson Major Sus Mulyadi said.

He added that the assembling of those planes would be jointly conducted by Russian and Indonesian technicians at the air forces base's technical squadron facility.

All of those Sukhoi Flanker fighter jets would be stationed in Indonesian air forces' 11th air squadron in Makassar under the codename "The Thunders."

Indonesia saw deliveries of other military planes designated for pilot training and light attack purposes in the last few weeks. Those planes, including Grob G120 TP-A and T 50 Golden Eagle planes, arrived at two of Indonesian air forces bases in Java.

Those planes were ordered from Germany and South Korea with deliveries of one full squadron for each type of the plane expected to take place this year and next year respectively.

The nation now is also expecting the delivery of 24 F-16 used fighter jets provided by the U.S. government as a grant to Indonesia. The air forces also expect delivery of four C130 Hercules military cargo planes granted by Australian government.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/20...c_132750291.htm



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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 30 2013, 10:01 PM)
speaking about tanks, should M'sia have more budget in the future, will we buy more Pendekars or buy other tank? i don't seem to heard much news about new kind of tanks, any new tank development program you guys heard?
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Malaysia would get more new mbt in future.
However for now we are more focus on esszone.
Priority should be given in new base, mpa, attack heli, utility heli, fac and patrol vessel.

Anyway it is most likely we will be using a more capable tank. Hopefully we will get something like t90ms or type 10.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 30 2013, 10:01 PM)
speaking about tanks, should M'sia have more budget in the future, will we buy more Pendekars or buy other tank? i don't seem to heard much news about new kind of tanks, any new tank development program you guys heard?
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 1 2013, 08:40 AM)
Malaysia would get more new mbt in future.
However for now we are more focus on esszone.
Priority should be given in new base, mpa, attack heli, utility heli, fac and patrol vessel.

Anyway it is most likely we will be using a more capable tank. Hopefully we will get something like t90ms or type 10.
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A member in panggilan pertiwi asked whether it is true that the Russian is lobbying again to offer the T-90 to Malaysia. Maybe he got some info source. What type he didn't mention but he posted the T-90MS picture though.

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A member in panggilan pertiwi asked whether it is true that the Russian is lobbying again to offer the T-90 to Malaysia. Maybe he got some info source. What type he didn't mention but he posted the T-90MS picture though.
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Government unlikely to procure any mbt soon.
There were some rumors on t90 but given the current budget it will be doubtful.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 1 2013, 12:39 AM)
Turkey Pushes T-129 Gunships for Pakistan, but US Could Scupper Deal
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maybe we should go for this.

QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 1 2013, 08:40 AM)
Anyway it is most likely we will be using a more capable tank. Hopefully we will get something like t90ms or type 10.
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type10 is unlikely with japan's laws
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 1 2013, 10:04 AM)
type10 is unlikely with japan's laws
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And the stuff they make sure got high price tag
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 1 2013, 10:04 AM)
maybe we should go for this.
type10 is unlikely with japan's laws
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They are niw easing the laws which could allow them to export weapons.
It have been discuss in previous version.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 1 2013, 10:18 AM)
And the stuff they make sure got high price tag
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Tech gooding.
Type 10 is the best among below 50 tons mbt.
Even the t90 were slightly over 50 tons.
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Indonesia, US Deepen Defense Ties Amid Exercises and Arms Deals

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JAKARTA — US and Indonesian military ties are growing as evidenced by US participation in the recent US-Indonesian joint-funded Counterterrorism Exercise (CTX) held Sept. 5-13 at Indonesia’s peacekeeping forces training center in Sentul, West Java.

Participants included all special operations forces of the 10 Association of Southeast Asian Nations member countries, plus eight counterpart states: the US, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, China, India and Russia.

However, Indonesia’s best special operations force, the infamous Kopassus, was excluded from participating in the CTX due to past US complaints about human rights abuses by the unit during the 1999 East Timor crisis, in which civilians were murdered, kidnapped and tortured.

The Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI) is implementing military modernization efforts, but excluding Kopassus remains a problem, experts say. The TNI suffered from the US arms embargo after the 1999 crisis. The Kopassus are the best trained and disciplined unit within TNI, and exclusion from training opportunities by the US will be difficult.

The US allowed the Kopassus to attend the CTX, but only as observers. The CTX was divided into several programs, including a tabletop exercise, practical exercise, discussions, information sharing and special simulation.

“Kopassus, just like US special operations, operates according to rule of law and under the direct control by civilian authorities,” said US Army Col. Mike Lwin, with Special Operations Command-Pacific, who led the US team to the CTX. “We know there are some problems in the past, and there are some processes that we are working through on both sides, but I think in general, we look forward to increase engagement over the future in accordance with our political direction with Kopassus. We see the need for increased relationships, and we are moving there. But we take guidance, of course, from our civilian leaders.”

Though planning for the CTX began in April 2012, a Kopassus source said the decision to exclude the elite unit from the tabletop exercise was made only days before the event officially kicked off. The tabletop exercise was fully funded by the US military.

In the wake of humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations that followed the tsunami in Indonesia’s Aceh province in 2004, the US reviewed its restriction on arms sales and military cooperation with Indonesia. The US imposed the restriction after the Indonesian government failed to stop violence from taking place in East Timor amid the 1999 referendum for independence.

The revision was implemented in stages, first by lifting the embargo on US sales of non-lethal equipment. Contemporary threats — including terrorism and the rise in tension in the South China Sea — were part of the US motivation for change.

“Respecting the rule of law is a must, and countering terrorism should not be left alone to the hand of legal enforcers as it requires total response from all elements of the nation,” Indonesian Deputy Defense Minister Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin told Defense News. “We could achieve success in countering terrorism if we are able to deeply understand the philosophic and universal principle of terrorism, which has now been able to develop its modus operandi, ranging from the low-level to the high-level intensity.”

During his recent visit to Indonesia, US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced the US plan to sell a fleet of AH-64E Apache attack helicopters to the Indonesian Army for $500 million. As part of the package, the US also will offer training to Indonesian pilots on tactics, techniques and procedures for operating the Apache. The TNI expects to receive the first two Apaches by 2014, with final delivery by 2019.

In 2011, the US agreed to sell 24 used F-16 Block 25 fighter aircraft for US $700 million. As part of the deal, the US will upgrade the fighter jets to Block 52, to include supplying 18 air-to-ground missiles and 36 captive air training missiles.

The two squadrons of F-16s will join 16 Russian-made Sukhoi fighters — eight Su-27s and eight Su-30s — for the Indonesian Air Force. Another squadron of South Korean-built T-50 Golden Eagle trainer jets is scheduled to arrive in 2014.

The Indonesian Navy is also undergoing modernization. Next year, the Indonesian Marine Corps will receive light patrol vessels, amphibious tanks and rockets. Two South Korean-made Chang Bongo-class submarines are slated to arrive next year, followed by a joint project with Indonesia’s state-owned PT Penataran Angkatan Laut (PT PAL) to produce a similar type of submarine as part of technology transfer agreement with South Korea.

The submarines’ technology is an upgrade from the German-designed HDW 209 and 214 types.

Indonesia requires more than just three submarines to safeguard its maritime coasts and exclusive economic zone. The Malacca Strait is one of the busiest waterways in the world. An ideal number of submarines for Indonesia would be 18 to 24 vessels.

On Sept. 24, the Indonesian Army began receiving German-made Leopard main battle tanks. The Indonesian Army has purchased 104 Leopard tanks and 50 Marder infantry fighting vehicles and other assorted vehicles from Germany.

The Indonesian government has decided to modernize its weaponry systems by allocating a budget of no less than 57 trillion rupiahs (US $5 billion) during the 2010-2014 fiscal period out of 156 trillion rupiahs allocated for the defense sector during the period.

Indonesia has pursued two mechanisms for procurement — imports and domestic development. Apart from PT PAL, Indonesia also has PT Pindad, a state-owned arms producer, and PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI), which produces military aircraft. A number of aircraft for the Indonesian Air Force has come through the cooperation with PT DI, such as the Bell 412 helicopter, Bolcow 105 and Cassa 212.

For the Army, PT Pindad has supplied handguns and rifles.

The company also provides ammunition for small-caliber weapons as well as an armored vehicle, the six-wheel Panser APS.


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