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 Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Burung Murai vs Liverpool - 7.45pm Sat

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post Oct 9 2013, 09:10 PM

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I'd take a shot to my left nut if Carra gave me his jersey and autographed it.
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post Oct 11 2013, 09:37 AM

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Rob Jones on Brendan Rodgers, and being brought back to coach the young lads along with Robbie Fowler and Steve McManaman.
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post Oct 12 2013, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Oct 11 2013, 11:35 AM)
Only issue is his age and wage.

but if we are getting cheap considering he is in his last year it might work? hmm.gif
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His fee will be around the £6 million mark. Not bad even though he is 31 as speed was something Xabi was never associated with. I reckon we'll get at least 3-4 more good seasons out of him. Consider the fact that we paid a million less for Charlie Adam.
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post Oct 12 2013, 12:32 PM

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Incorrect. He scored a goal for Greece after Mucha failed to control what was a routine backpass from Sktrel.
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post Oct 13 2013, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Oct 12 2013, 10:36 PM)
how on earth gk can make that stupid mistake in important game like that i cant brain
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Can wan. Remember Rene Huguita's howler in World Cup 1990 against Cameroon? 'El Loco' decided to try to dribble the ball past Roger Milla who won the ball and slotted it into an empty net. Concentration is a key attribute top class keepers need.

Concentration is the reason many keepers with mid table sides don't make it at big clubs. It is easier to maintain a high level of concentration when you see action every few minutes but at big clubs, you sometimes only have be save to make the whole game. Think Scott Carson, Chris Kirkland, or our very own David James who excelled for Watford before us and Pompey after but looked like he greased his gloves wth butter when he played for us.

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post Oct 14 2013, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Oct 13 2013, 11:23 PM)
With Lucas, Gerrard and Alonso those are 3 very off paced midfielders. If BR persists with 352 and going with 2 CMs and a CAM triangle, then Alonso would be playing in Gerrard's position as the other CM has to do more of the heavy lifting. Can't see us play both Gerrard and Alonso in midfield as they lack pace and tenacity, unless we play more like Juventus with 3 CMs. But Coutinho should be playing as the no 10 when he gets back, he is potentially a genuine playmaker and needs to play more centrally.

I can't wait to see who we sign. Hopefully a solid midfielder.
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IF we do sign Alonso, I reckon it will be Lucas who will be phased out and Henderson who will move into a central role from his current wider position. He has shown great tenacity this season and often operates on both ends of the pitch, most notably against Crystal Palace. He has the energy and stamina to complement Gerrard and Alonso.

In the event we play Lucas instead, we can play with 3 at the back as we have been to make up for the lack of pace by pushing one of our centrebacks up into midfield when needed. In any case, if someone lacks pace, they can make up for it by reading the game well. It's something Hamann did to great effect.
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post Oct 15 2013, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Oct 14 2013, 06:56 PM)
That's because he was used more as a defensive midfielder when Lucas was recovering from injury. He wasn't bought for his defensive quality but more for his ability on the ball and he hasn't really been given the chance to fulfill that role. I hope he gets his chance this season because imo, he's a natural central midfielder where as Hendo is more like a utility player.
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I'm glad someone leh sees what I see. Allen was largely used to fill the gap vacated by the injured Lucas and clearly he looked like a fish out of water. The bloke simply isn't a defensive Titan. Whenever he's played in an advanced role however, he's impressed if only briefly because by that time, he was used sparingly as a substitute. During preseason he played further up the park and he looked impressive. I reckon he needs more game time in the opposition half.
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post Oct 15 2013, 10:22 AM

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To each his own. If you want someone to respect your opinions, you have to reciprocate. He hasn't lived up to his price tag, that's a given. However he has also done well whenever he's played in an advanced role which I've pointed out on numerous occasions, this is a fact.
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post Oct 15 2013, 10:29 AM

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Anyone remember Gerard Houllier buying an attacking midfielder only to thrust him into the heart of defence? Igor Biscan was sought after by big clubs like Juventus, Barca and AC Milan but we beat all of them to him and for some bizarre reason, Houllier played him at center back where he struggled. Because of injuries however, he played in midfield against Bayer Leverkusen in 2005 and he was brilliant. Playing out of position can dramatically affect your game. Look at the difference in Henderson's game playing in the middle as opposed to in the right. Look how Carra turned into a world class centre back after struggling in midfield, right back and then left back. Not saying Allen is world class but let us only judge him after he's been given a few games in the position he favours.

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post Oct 15 2013, 12:18 PM

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You'll Never Walk Alone is 50

http://thekopiteview.com/2013/10/12/ynwa-at-50/?
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post Oct 15 2013, 01:00 PM

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Like this.


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post Oct 15 2013, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Oct 15 2013, 01:34 PM)
I do appreciate Hendo. Hendo is a great asset to have due to his versatility and being English, but it's not fair to compare one set of players in poor form to another with a decent form. When Lucas and Allen were both on good form, Hendo couldn't even get close to the first team. And even then i didn't think we should sell Hendo as i believed he was a handy player. But Lucas at the top of his game was a beast - crisp passing, impeccable positioning and tenacious tackling. He was the league's best midfield destroyer for a period of two seasons until he got injured. Hendo hasn't really set any benchmark which is why BR kept picking Lucas ahead of Hendo. The question is whether Lucas can regain his form, if he does then there's no way we should even contemplate of selling him. He's also a great character to have in the team - remember the turmoil season of Hogdson ? A lesser player or person would not have rose to the occasion like Lucas did - there is no bigger test of character than that.
When we sold Shelvey, I was of the opinion we should have let Henderson go instead but the latter has looked impressive this season after being eased into the squad. I reckon there was too much pressure on him in his first season with us as he was thrust immediately into the first team. The lad has proven to be hardworking, and persistent. Needs to be noted also that there is a physical element to his game. I was afraid that we'd be a little soft in midfield after Jonjo was sold. I do think that Henderson has the potential to play in Lucas' role which will be a big plus for us. Lucas struggled before adapting to that role but I think Henderson can acclimatise much quicker.
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post Oct 15 2013, 03:46 PM

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How fooking inappropriate
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post Oct 16 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(lerijiso @ Oct 16 2013, 09:40 AM)
Had a stupid dream last nite..Beckham went to Swansea and supplied two goals for Shelvey in the dying minutes and Swansea won that game 2-1. I dont remember who the opponent team are. That useless dream..wasting my dream quota only.

Anyway..last nite, Gerrard scored, Dagger scored 2 penalties for Denmark and Suarez scored one pen for Uruguay.
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Unfortunately our vice captain will not feature at the World Cup despite the mauling.
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post Oct 17 2013, 09:54 AM

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I think its simple really. Players who come and give their best deserve our support. We keep bandying around the "fact" that we are different and better than other supporters but I see very little evidence of this. If you do a Charles Itandje or El Hadji Diouf on the other hand, then you will rightly reap what you sow. I get a sense that some people want to see players fail even before they've taken to the field. Put ourselves in their shoes. You're having a bad start and the fans are on your back, hurling abuse and booing you off the field, despite you bursting a lung, trying your best.

When we hear the terms, "most knowledgeable fans" or "the Liverpool way", what do they mean to us? This is what I think. The former, because we would applaud the opposition players if they played well, most notably visiting goalkeepers. It also means we show an appreciation for effort. The latter means we stick together in times of adversity, and we tell every man with a liverbird on his chest that we have their back. We will players and managers to succeed.

Let's put it this way. We will have cynics and we will have optimists. All I'm saying is that if we turn on the team when they don't play well, its likely we would not have won in Istanbul, because we played like crap and if every fan were to call it as it was, they'd all have left the stadium in disgust but yet almost everyone stayed back to deliver what was to me, the most haunting rendition of YNWA ever so much so that greats like Cryuff and Maradona had goosebumps, commenting that they had never seen a club so united with its fans. Liverpool fans sing YNWA at the end of every game. Do any other fans do this? Everyone is entitled to behave in any manner they choose, or support the team in their own way but this is my way. The club's values were instilled by the immortal Bill Shankly and it is because of these codes that I love the club, not because of what happens on the pitch. Else, what makes us any different from any other football club?

To quote the Shanks : "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."

When the team plays like crap, I remind myself why I support the club in the first place and why those that stand at the Kop every week are different from their peers.

I don't think Joe Allen deserves to start especially given that Henderson is in good form but I would like to see him given a chance at some point in his preferred position. If you put his price tag aside, he is a pretty handy player to have on the bench at the moment.
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post Oct 17 2013, 09:56 AM

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Also, being supportive of a player doesn't mean being a fan of the player. I'll support any man wearing our colours if they show heart and effort.
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Just to reiterate, this is exactly what the great Johan Cruyff said after that miracle in Istanbul.

Johan Cruyff after Istanbul:

“There’s not one club with an anthem like “You’ll Never Walk Alone”. There’s not one club in the world so united with the fans. I sat there watching the Liverpool fans and they sent shivers down my spine. A mass of 40,000 people became one force behind their team. That’s something not many teams have. For that I admire Liverpool more than anything.”

This, despite being annihilated in the 1st half. Comments on social media were labeling us a joke. Still, our fans stood firm.
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post Oct 17 2013, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 17 2013, 01:25 PM)
That's why we don't call for player's/manager's head after a bad start to a season.  rolleyes.gif
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Just as in every day life, I believe football fans live by a code, more so Liverpool fans since "The Liverpool Way" became our ethos. The post below summarises how I feel about it really.

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.ph...e-Liverpool-Way

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The Liverpool Way will mean something different to every Liverpool fan, but there are common values that define us as Liverpool supporters. It is those values that give our club and fans the identity we have today; and we should never lose sight of the characteristics that make our relationship with Liverpool Football Club so special.

The Liverpool way was really defined by Bill Shankly; who was the architect and pioneer of our transformation into one of the greatest clubs in world football. Shankly had a vision for Liverpool; he saw beyond the football club and wanted to use the City's characteristics to define the culture of the club. He wanted to give Liverpool a unique identity; and to lift the club and it's supporters to the best in world football.

So for those fans that maybe only began to follow the club in recent years, what is the Liverpool Way? What does make us so special? The simple way to define a Red is by wit, knowledge, patience, respect for your opponent and an unwavering support of your team. As supporters, we will not always agree with the decisions of the club or manager, but what makes us different is that we will always get behind them


There is a massive difference between supporting a player and deluding ourselves into thinking he is Pele reincarnated. In my opinion, we have an obligation as fans to adhere as much as possible to this code that was put in place by the Shanks. It was because of his vision after all that we are where we are today.

The author goes on to admit that as generations pass, we are beginning to lose touch with some of our values.

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Over the last few years, it might be said that 'The Liverpool Way' has slowly started to diminish. With the ins and outs of new managers and owners. Ins and outs of world class players, and at one point the large possibility that we may go into administration. So it is understandable that we, the supporters, can't really be blamed for being cautious and not getting behind the club as we have in the past. Going after the former Americans with pitch forks and flames, and us being a large reason that Woy was sacked. Which is the first time that I can ever remember when we've ran a manager out of the club.

So my aim is to re-ignite the great Bill Shanklys vision. I want to bring Liverpool Its unique identity back, and to lift the club and its supporters back the best in world football.


My aim is the same, that is to remember who we are and for us to retain our identity. In the end though, the choice of doing so or not is up to the individual. For me, it is traditions and values like this that make me a firm supporter of the club and it is the main differentiator between us and everyone else.
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 17 2013, 03:55 PM)
haizzz.. if only i have good in english write and conversation.....
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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Oct 17 2013, 04:09 PM)
keep it a bit short and simple guys, my hp screen small size only...tired scroll scroll down left and right...  sweat.gif
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