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 Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Burung Murai vs Liverpool - 7.45pm Sat

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post Sep 28 2013, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(lerijiso @ Sep 28 2013, 02:35 PM)
LOL..u guys know this is fake right? its just a spoof. Bellamy didnt really say that in his autobio.
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Good call. Turns out it's from a BBC sports parody site. Wouldn't be surprised if he actually did say it though
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post Sep 29 2013, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 29 2013, 04:41 AM)
There's more proof of olders players their era who have since passed their peak.

players who relied on speed and acceleration: michael owen,ronaldinho,henry,drogba are past their best.

only players who are based on technique and vision play at the highest level for long.zidane,scholes,pirlo,alonso.Perhaps goalkeepers as well.

Very very few strikers can remain on top for long.Torres is definitely not one of them as he has lost his pace and acceleration.
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I don't think the issue of signing older players is as much to do with their ability than their resale value, not that I don't think we can benefit from having a seasoned player or two, especially one like Alonso who I can see playing well into his 30's.
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post Sep 29 2013, 11:58 AM

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Included European and Capital One Cup games I imagine. Lost their first game but have since gone unbeaten,
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post Sep 29 2013, 12:07 PM

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Well done Robbie biggrin.gif C'mon Robbie would not be Robbie if he didn't occasionally do or say something controversial.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbc-f...-robbie-2317961?
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post Sep 30 2013, 10:16 AM

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This is why I was so concerned about being light in the middle of the park. No replacement for Lucas who is several shades off colour this season and Stevie is clearly feeling the strain with so many back-to-back games for club and country. The decision to release Jonjo Shelvey looks premature at this point. The engine room needs an overhaul and we've been linked with Alonso and Pastore in the January transfer window. The way things are looking, we'll need them both. Till then, let's hope we can continue to win ugly.
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post Sep 30 2013, 11:49 AM

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Problem is we have no central midfielders to rotate.
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post Sep 30 2013, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Sep 30 2013, 11:34 AM)
Speaking of cost.
Let's look at the money the club owner spent in the last 4 years (in £)
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/liverpoo.../verein_31.html

2010/11  85.8m
2011/12  58.5m
2012/13  59.4m
2013/14  50.2m

We are one of the top spenders in transfer market. That's for sure.
But most of the monies were spent on inferior players. That's what cost us dearly.
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Those are gross figures unless I'm wrong. Thing is we haven't been adding to the squad, we've been replacing player after player.

This all but reinforces FSG's stance against spending big in the transfer market. We've been doing it for years under different managers and yet the league title still eludes us. Hence, the insistence on spending with one eye on potentially recouping their investment and making a profit somewhere down the line, marginalising the nett outlay.

The problem we're having right now is we're having to pay over the top to attract marquee players because rivals can offer European football. So do we compete head to head? We've lost out on Mkhitaryan and Willian because we could not offer European football. Lets face it, the top players known to the world will all likely already be with clubs playing in Europe's biggest club competition hence we've needed to gamble a little and take risks by signing players on the verge of stardom. Sometimes it pays off (Coutinho, Sturridge) but often it won't.

I don't hold it against FSG for not spending big unless they're really sure anymore considering what we paid for Henderson, Allen, Downing and Carroll. Being prudent is a good thing for the club in the long run, spending only after scrutinising each target (Suarez, Sakho, Mignolet - not exactly a big money signing but still, it's the most we've paid for a keeper ever).
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post Sep 30 2013, 01:38 PM

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Didn't notice the high waistline but it sounds like you're describing Lee Cattermole. Bloke was sidelined by Di Canio. Also, we were linked to him a couple of seasons ago.
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post Oct 2 2013, 10:39 AM

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Pastore AND Alonso please. Need to revive our "best midfield in the world" chant.
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post Oct 2 2013, 11:28 AM

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Given we need someone who can provide cover in an advanced central midfield position, what about a big for a name we've been linked with before in Keisuke Honda? Not sure what kind of fee he will command but I imagine he'll be content being used in a rotation plus we'll sell some kits in Asia, potentially expand our fan base in Japan and cause a spike in viewership.
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post Oct 3 2013, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 3 2013, 03:49 AM)
if you compare with what kenny and roy did then BR is a massive success.all our best performers this season have been BR's buys.Toure,mignolet,sturridge.
Who are our poor performers this season? Gerrard,lucas,henderson.None of whom BR bought.

Getting suarez to stay itself was a big success.
Never in recent times has a liverpool manager been able to stop a star player from leaving.
Rafa couldnt stop owen or alonso leaving,roy couldn't stop mascherano leaving and kenny couldn't stop torres leaving.
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I don't see how BR has been any less successful than Rafa or Houllier in the transfer market. Notable signings were Daniel Agger, Xabi Alonso, Martin Skrtel, Glen Johnson, Javier Mascherano, Fernando Torres, Lucas, Dirk Kuyt and Pepe Reina. On the flip side of the coin were the likes of Robbie Keane, Fernando Morientes, Josemi, Antonio Nunez, Jermaine Pennant, Sebastian Leto, Andrea Dossena, Andriy Voronin, Phillip Degen, Albert Riera, Alberto Aquilani, Milan Jovanovic and Ryan Babel. To be fair, some came on a free transfer but my point is there were a fair share of flops as well. I think it's the same with any manager at any club.

As you quite rightly put though, I think BR and FSG played a massive part in Suarez staying. Rafa on the other hand pissed Alonso off and one wonders what would have been had Xabi stayed? Having said that this isn't an attack on any manager, it is to point out that almost every manager will have more failed or average signings that successful ones. Fact.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Oct 3 2013, 10:56 AM)
I think the problem with BR is he just won't drop Gerrard. I was especially perplexed that he allowed Stevie to play 120 minutes against Notts County. I could see BR's logic in needing his leadership but truth it, we ought to prepare for life without Stevie. Hendo, for me is playing like how a CM would if he was thrown into the wings. Occasionally he would come up with the goods, a lot of time he would struggle. Give him a chance in his natural role and if he still is inconsistent, we will see.

As for Lucas, it was strange we didn't try to go for someone like Gareth Barry. He would have made a decent DM backup. IMO, I'm less worried about Lucas needing competition than him not being able to achieve his old form after the injuries.
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Yalor I've been repeating myself like a broken record since pre-season. I'm really perturbed that we were not linked to any defensive midfield players. Now it seems we're forced to play Lucas even when he's off colour.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Oct 3 2013, 11:43 AM)
A genuine question guys, what are everybody's expectations for this season, even after we had a positive start?

We finished 61 points last season and imo by finishing 67/68 pts this season would be a decent, not to mention achieveable, improvement. That's at least a 6-point improvement, and that's my minimum expectation. Without doubt, it's not enough to finish top 4 (Even 72pts wasn't a guarantee for Spurs last season) but what I want to see personally is Liverpool to be in top 4 contention for as long as it could. Our season was over after December last season and the league was really dull despite us winning games.
Hah! Haven't spend much time here since February, still trying to gauge what the popular opinion is.
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I reckon that Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs and the mancs are still better teams and realistically, I see us finishing behind them, potentially pipping Spurs. Much will depend on the January transfer window of course. I don't see Everton maintaining this momentum until the end of the season. Brilliant move to get Lukaku though. Wonder what Mourinho was thinking? Eto spent a season in wilderness and he's preferred to a young, hungry, powerful forward who is on fire for both club and country? Go figure.
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Oct 3 2013, 12:26 PM)
I feel Spurs would be very difficult to beat because of their squad depth, especially in midfield. If anything, I think we can pip Utd probably.  tongue.gif 

Still too early to tell though. I'd love for us to be back in the top 4 come May 2014, although it's a really tough ask. If BR can add a quality replacement in defensive midfield in January, we should be challenging for the top 4 at least.
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Indeed. If my wet dream comes true and we re-sign Alonso plus bring someone in the mould of Pastore to Anfield, we should be in good shape. Need to give Gerrard and Lucas a break, desperately. Thing is can we promise Alonso first team football because I've read somewhere that Juventus are prepared to offer him a nice package plus the guarantee of first team football. In my opinion, having Alonso on the bench isn't even an option unless he's crocked.

QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Oct 3 2013, 12:35 PM)
I think it's good for Lukaku, he's still young and the loan spell would benefit him a lot. The pressure in Chelsea is on a different level and he still has to compete against Torres and Eto. I know Torres gets a lot of flack here but he has been a good team player, works hard and links up well with his teammates. Considering the talents they have (Hazard, Mata, Oscar), Lukaku is a surplus they could afford to let on loan.

Edit: Wait, they are not giving Everton the option to buy, are they?
That's very optimistic.  laugh.gif
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Good for Lukaku indeed but still puzzling on behalf of Chelsea. Lukaku only because a surplus because Mourinho wanted Eto and I'm questioning the rationale behind that decision. Eto is a big name but I reckon is best days are behind him whilst Lukaku has the world at his feet and he has proven his ability to play in the Prem. Eto has bagged a fair share of goals for Anzhi but if you consider that Andriy Voronin who couldn't hit the broadside of a battleship in England is currently joint third on their scoring charts, the Russian League doesn't exactly scream quality.
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post Oct 3 2013, 02:00 PM

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Excellent recruits indeed.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premie...10/02/4305834/-?

All 3 were arguably the best players in their respective positions in England at the time. I'm convinced that had Rob Jones not been forced into early retirement because of injury, he would have had a long and successful career with both club and country. One of the finest rightbacks in the country at the time, and along with Danny Murphy, the best recruits we've had from Crewe, our feeder club at the time. Speaking of which, do clubs still have feeder clubs in the lower leagues?

Too few superlatives in the dictionary to describe 'God' when he was at his peak, although it needs to be noted that he started his descent from that peak a little earlier than expected. Arguably the most natural finisher I've seen with my own eyes, bar Ian Rush. Fowler could score with his eyes closed, and his back to goal. In fact, he did just that against Yeovil. I'd post it but I can't even find it on youtube!

Steve McManaman was one of a very small number of English players who could impersonate a South American footballer with the ball at his feet. Him leaving on a Bossman still leaves a bitter taste in the mouths of many Liverpool fans but there is no denying his talent. 'Shaggy' was a nightmare for defenders to deal with when he was running at them.

I'm chuffed to see all 3 on-board. One defender, one midfielder and one striker.
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Let's just say that reputation does matter and Suarez hasn't exactly done much in regards to keeping a squeeky clean image. Torres on the other hand is not a serial offender. Can you imagine how much attention it would have got if Joey Barton was the perpetrator?
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post Oct 7 2013, 11:49 AM

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Not sure if the 3-5-2 was enforced upon is or planned. It may be pre-meditated hence the purchase of Sakho and Ilori when we already had Agger, Toure, Wisdom, Skrtel and Kelly on our payroll. It has been said that we'd not field this formation with the return of Johnson but I reckon we'll be even stronger when he returns and we maintain this shape. Enrique and Johnson are both well suited for the role of wingbacks unlike say fielding Sterling in that position who is a liability on defence. It also helps masks the inconsistency of Lucas and gives him less pressure in that position. Henderson excelled against Palace also because there was less pressure on him defensively what with us having 3 at the back. More importantly this formation allows both Sturridge and Suarez to adopt more central roles and it was easy on the eye how well they linked up against Palace. They are the highest scoring duo in the prem. Like it or not, Rodgers isn't a one-trick-pony despite allegations that he doesn't have a plan B. The issue we have now is maintaining our rhythm in the 2nd half. When asked, Rodgers said they weren't playing passively under his instructions and it was an issue of mentality. Reckon we need to hire a new sports psychologist then.
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Good write up on the improving Jordan Henderson.

http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/2013...matthewcotton3/

The lad received a lot of flack for some underwhelming performances under King Kenny who thrust him immediately into the first team. Brendan Rodgers deserves some credit for relegating him to the bench and easing him into the first eleven again. Despite pressures of living up to his price tag he has shown good mental strength to play through the doubt and criticism levied against him, and has delivered some fine performances this season.
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I'd take 2 in the face if Stevie gave me his kit
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 9 2013, 07:41 PM)
I aint talking about chicks  doh.gif

More towards the recovery speed biggrin.gif

I can hardly remember a season of Steven Gerrard or Daniel Agger without injury until BR arrives with his medics and fitness people.

Anyway, we got pretty ladies in the LFC women team and Claire Rourke tongue.gif So that means we got the best women team who just won the league mind you and also the best TV host. LOL
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Having not chicks on your medical team would only encourage injury and lengthy recovery smile.gif

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