hello everybody, i`m new here and i fresh graduate from mcse and ccnp student, and i very confuse to choose with type of job that i need to forcus in, like System engineer, network engineer, or other can tell me?
Or still have other type of career that can suitable for me and the certificate that i holding? i really need some guild.
from month to month untill today i still cant` seem like find any, as i know lots of companies that offer System engineer and network engineer alots but all of them need at lest 1 years of exprience, then for fresh graduate/entry like me should i or should`nt give up on this career. I really facing a major problem, pls someone can kindly give some guild for me. Thank you

Give up la.

Go get 1 year experience first la. Simple question only ma. Dunno what you worry about. Really a fresh graduate.

hello you means i have to give up to find career in system engineer, network engineer and looking for other job, for me this is very the big problem because i have already spend my time and my family money to this course, then have to give up. this will be make me worry lo.. for the fresh graduate and from the poor family like me without any market exprience have a same though, i think.!
And under this mcse and ccna certificate, what type of job that i can looking for beside then system engineer and nettwork engineer. now my mind just think what is the job that related to what i have studies. and thank you for reply lokgp.

I assume you have at least a diploma or a degree in hand?

alot of jobs requirements requires 1 year working experience.

the 1 year working experience terms can be regard as Related or not related to your field.

if you see Fresh Graduates are welcome and comes with term of 1 year working experience, most of it are saying 'Work Experience', the working experience you had
in the past you did before. it can be you work in restaurant, in office as admin, in whatever job you tried and 'tasted' office work or suffered mental physical words
from your boss before.


another meaning is: the experience you had as vocational training industry
during your school holiday season.

hey thank you all. i dont have a degree in my hand, i just have a mcse,ccna,ccnp only and have a diploma in computer network engineer. just this four certs only.

Did anyone have a mcse or ccnp certificate here, the question is with this cert i can pick what job in IT field, such as like System Engineer, Network engineer, and what else that i can pick, because i really dont know that what type of job that i can choose just except those two only. someone with the MCSE OR CCNP cert work related to this certs, while beside those two i have know.?

And strongbaby is there you means is whatever that i have work before but it`s may not related to my certs, also can count in also??? and it just depands on the company that who want to employ those who have exprience on that kind of job only?? example<2 years exprience in LAN/WAN> that means this company only want to employ for those have exprience in only right?

THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO HAVE REPLY ME,

ok kapal langit...

First, gear up yourself as much as possible, try get a degree.
Then, apply as many jobs as possible, thats means >50 letters sent.
last but not least, dont be choosy.

My german brother in law told me that one year exp = a few months/nil, 3 years exp = 1 year exp. As long as you have the relevent experience or knowladge, you can always go for it. And you never get it if you never try it, no matter you got diploma or phd.

Heres some prospect they might need guys like you.

Lab Technicians

Try fill up their onlin application and also write in. You can go there and fill in the form too.

This post has been edited by rexis: Jun 5 2006, 12:04 PM

another story of a TestKing mcse and ccnp.

This post has been edited by ciscogirl: Jun 6 2006, 12:24 AM

pls bear in mind fren, IT industry, especially IT industry, it look for hands on / practical experience/knowledge.

fren, b4 u take up those course n take the exam, have u really study IT industry? what does this ind. really need for / look for?

does anyone tell u that once u get those "paper", u will get the job relate? cisco, does it need hands on or paper to proof? windows, does it need hands on or paper to proof? the "windows" i mean here is those that knowledge cover on the book and not cover. IT ind. really ask for hands on, not like other job, admin, account that u can start from the scratch.

well, IT do hav job that u can start frm bottom/scratch but not mean for those ccna/mcse! if u really want to jump to those field, u better arm urself!! u swallow the whole book of ccna/mcse, get the flying mark on the result, does it mean u able to handle those hardware?

again, bear in mind, IT knowledge, writing on the book is all abt THEORY, but come to real life, is all abt PRACTICAL. does the book teach u everything abt that hardware? abt every situation/scenario? teach u how to solve every single problem/issue happen? how abt the problem u face does not teach u on the book?

go n check with those work as network engineer, system administrator, talk with them, u will get a picture how does they work, what does this field look for, nn u will know what does those field mean.

and.... there is one thing i want to phrase out, THINK OUT OF THE BOX, i know, i m frm this environment too. every single cent provide to u is parents/family hard work income. n i believe, lots of family hav such a thinking or "myth" that take this course -> study this course -> graduate on this course -> get the job relate to this course.

so our thinking been "frame", if i study A, n come out work on B, our family, especially parents will think it is wasting the money last time they invest or perhaps ourselves too coz we get to different envirenment. this kind of thinking hav set themself to a straight line, with 1 direction only.

there is lot of opportunity that u can go to the field u want but u got to understand the environment that it is require. i believe u hav realise that those field require experience, then y not u think of other way, study it, n make urself jump to the field u want? u got to know that those equipment r work on real time, does company allow u to touch the hardware if there is nothing happen? unless they hav extra router/switch for u to play around. if the router/server is down, again, remember, it is real time, all the folks unable to continue their work, u got no experience, do company let u sit in front n start to scratch what is going wrong or they need someone hav experience, having a "clue" whats go wrong n fix it out?

frm the msg u post, i assume u hav no work experince, hav little idea abt IT industry or the work environment, just gradute. what u need is experience, yes, experince, no matter what kind of experience! start frm bottom, learn frm bottom, then u starting to work on it, touch on it, n gain knowledge/xperience, n slowly u will hav chance to work on what hav want frm early.

work frm the low level, IT support, support end user stuff, u will starting to know that u known little or nothing!! trust me.....

cert means nothing, experience count!! go n find out frm ur fren/ frm those hav been working or u may ask the interviewer what kind of candidate they look for, what requirement they look for..... then u will realise....

go to pasar malam, throw a rock to a pool of public, who hav no degree? who hav no mcse or ccna or ccnp? but do all of them hav xperience? do they work on it? this pool of public is same like u! take the study, pass the exam, n want to be on top of the world, does this really happen? there is no free lunch on the world. u got to work hard, earn everything that u need to arm on the shoulder, then only u success.

do not put urself on burden, look of job that fresh graduate are welcome/training will be provide/work experience no necessary. go to interview, then u will starting to know what actually does IT want frm u, wht u hav lack of, wht u hav been failed else other success. then u know what u should prepare for urself.

hopefully my 2 cents opinion may giv u some idea/clue/understanding/realistic

wish u all the best

well,,actually is depand on what u wanna do,,,,what u likes? what u want to be in next 5 yrs? what is ur interest ? Since u got ccnp and mcse,i think u can easily get job if u dun mind the starting salary. Some job required one yr experience but u still can apply. i heard network engineer can get very high paid with yrs of experience.but i think the most important is ur interest and what u want to do.

hello.. to all, 1st of al thank you for rexis. And for ciscogirl are you taking cisco course as well?

For ini thanks for your advice and i understand what is the meaning that you giving me, i also dont means to started a job from the high salary and also with the high payment also, my target salary is just around RM1500 only, and the problem is i dont know wish kind of job that suitable for me, job like help desk for me is not that good because my english not that good, meaning is my communicate with person not that good.

And ya i`m graduated was base in teory, and now i looking for pratical there for means get a job, but now is hard to find one, but anyway thank you <ini> your advice i quite usefull for me, THANKS.

Acually i would like to step in the network engineer, but now days i still cant find any yet, so m second intrest is system engineer, the result also the same, yet still not being employ, is there any option that i cant select.

Hem for the 5 years answer, the true is i never going to think for it because even now also dont have a job available for me, if let me think what am i going to be in next 5 year senior on network engineer, omg i will feel like having a day dream. :> hehe

But anyway thanks to you PAINT9, for those whom may concern, can tell me any website wrere posting available job such as like jobbstreet and so on.

THANK you again for those have reply me and giving me advice. have a nice day

alo,

you can go to Indonesia (Jakarta, Batam or Surabaya) then work there if you are interested.. But I'm not sure for the salary, it's up to you..

thanks

you got all kinds of network papers, MCSE/CCNA/CCNP/ABC/XYZ/ETC...

As someone mentioned above, paper = theory : handson = pratical.

experience counts when comes to applying for job in your field.

Bosses always prefer those with experience in priority, freshie with paper is in third in line... salary also based on these.

i left networking field 4 years back and ventured into something else.
working as network specialist in XXXXXX company is full of challenge and headache.

so gear up...

hai to all, thank you for introduction for me henbob, for me i cant afford to go there becasue even though i in malaysia here also cant go further places to work, i means go to other state, 1st point i dont have a transpot, 2nd place to paying rentle, 3rd age, that`s the problem that i having, on other issus is i`m very like kl better, hehhe. But anyway thanks for the advice.

Yup i have this three cert, but i know one thing for now cert is piece paper that prove you have graduated only, but skill that couse me a main problem, i didnt know where to start most of all, and for you strongbaby you also from network field also? when you started your career in networking, where you begin with related or non-related job that you apply for.

For me now i still dont know that where should i because since the day i was graduating from my collage, i was very ******* agry with the collage, 1st when i enter, they say oh dont worry we will find for you the job dont worry, and then when i finish my course, then they say we dont offer to kind of servics, sorry you better look for job agency to help. what the **** how do i know any agency out there. arge....

but anyway does anyone can intro for me the job agency is located in kl? pls...

thank you for all who giving me advice.. good day

For those who can recommand any job agency for me??

i would very appereciate it.!

This post has been edited by skyship: Jun 8 2006, 02:02 AM

tons of college offers such scheme like you graduate with us with a job secured by them...etc

so now you smarter, you should know what to do next time you refer friends
to other college with such verbal promises.

get them to pen down in black and white letter.