those toyotas hang around for so long oredy...toyota crown has like 15 generation of cars.. lol toyota sure know how to make very reliable cars that it's so femes among all the uncle auntie thats why the toyota reputation so strong...that time mana ada koreans, and other obscured brands while u all were sucking t*tties...sure majority old schools will prefer the japs brands...

but times have changed toyota strategy is to ride of it's brandname strength and squeeze more profit from its cash cow.... eitherway they r considered the veteran in the automotive industry and the new kids on the block ie koreans, etc to have to put more effort to win the market/loyalty therefore the value/specs discrepancy (there has to be- coz u cant have the perfect package) between models as T is resting on its laurels oredy...

whether toyota reliability REALLY has decreased over the same time of it's strategy changed then i'm not too sure but i doubt it and the momentum of their brandname is still strong ...cuz if the reliability has really go down significantly, sure it will reflect in figures but no, it's still seem no.1 most hot items in msia and u cannot deny facts and figures.

I do admit ESC VSC BA are important, but I suppose since accident is not an everyday event of your life and those parents like to give preach of all the safety driving lessons so myb most msian just yet feel the need of this safety only and still confident of own manual skill

What we're doing here is just ego bruising each other expense for own ego...

Just buy la what U think is worth....don't have to put down vios ,city or proton owners and brands....U buy what your money is worth and your need. Not everyone like what you like

DOH ppl want upgrade better car, change to family car, got company car...so many reasons and u asking such *** question