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post Sep 20 2013, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 20 2013, 10:15 AM)
lol..dont make me laugh mang..

wat u post are jst a blog of thoughts from an unknown like my cousin brother who put up bits and pcs from multiple source to make it sound professional and legit..but lack of scientific backing..
that's liek a fortune teller telling u about your life past and future after he had observed the way you talk move and react to questions...

check out the bolded part..i think..ya..i bet those scientist didnt perform any test or experiment also..they base on think and assumption. ur teacher back in chemist and biology class also accept your answer when you jst him/her u think a frog's heart will still beat as normal when u chop it down from the middle? or when natrium or kalium mixed with water with produce vapor? ya..everything is base on u think, i think we think.. lol

and to compare dog and fish..well, the link i provided gave u information on why it's not right to compare mammal with fish...read the part about morphine....

if u wanna defend ur opinion..i am ok with it..but present with more facts and research lar..

not wat ur neice or nephew think lar dei...  sweat.gif
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The point is... the writer conveyed better what I feel...

I need no scientist to tell me that sport fishing is cruel... I know so...

Unless the animal abusers themselves... need scientists to tell them fish don't feel pain, so therefore let's put hooks in their mouth...

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post Sep 20 2013, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:05 AM)
Hooked on a Cruel Sport
Finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.
by Jeff Jacoby

I'm not a vegetarian. I eat meat, fish, and fowl. I don't oppose experimenting on animals when necessary for medical research. I like zoos. I have no moral objection to wearing fur or leather. I think it's okay to keep pet dogs on a leash and birds in a cage. And while I admire the work of the American Humane Association, I am no supporter of PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) or its fanatic agenda.

But I do think sport fishing is cruel.

By sport fishing I mean catch-and-release fishing -- fishing for fun and adventure, not for food. I have no quarrel with the man who takes a salmon or trout out of the water and eats it for dinner, even if he greatly enjoys the taking. What appalls me is fishing for its own sake. I don't doubt that it can be thrilling to drag a fish through the water by a barbed hook in its mouth, or that there is pleasure in making it struggle frantically, or that it is exciting to force a wild creature to exhaust itself in a desperate bid to get free. I don't deny the allure of it all. But finding gratification in the suffering of another isn't sport. It's sadism.

One of PETA's billboards shows a dog with a barbed hook through its lip, and asks: "If you wouldn't do this to a dog, why do it to a fish?" PETA's analogies are frequently tasteless and morally repugnant, but this one is exactly right. No one would throw Fido a Milk-Bone with a hook hidden inside and then, when the barb had pierced his mouth and he was trying violently to shake it loose, drag him to a place where he couldn't breathe. Anyone who did such a thing would be condemned for his brutality. Is it any less brutal to do it to a fish?

Writing a few years ago in Orion, a magazine about nature and culture, essayist and avid outdoorsman Ted Kerasote opened a piece about the ethics of catch-and-release fishing with a quote from a fellow outdoorsman, "the philosopher, mountaineer, and former angler Jack Turner."
"Imagine using worms and flies to catch mountain bluebirds or pine grosbeaks," Turner told him, "or maybe eagles and ospreys, and hauling them around on 50 feet of line while they tried to get away. Then when you landed them, you'd release them. No one would tolerate that sort of thing with birds. But we will for fish because they're underwater and out of sight."

I can hear the indignant reply of countless anglers: Fish are different! Unlike dogs and birds and other advanced animals, fish don't feel pain. The hook doesn't hurt them.

But there is mounting evidence that fish do feel pain. A team of marine biologists at Edinburgh's Roslin Institute make the case in a paper just published by the Royal Society, one of Britain's leading scientific institutes. Their experiments with rainbow trout prove the presence of pain receptors in fish, and show that fish undergoing a "potentially painful experience" react with "profound behavioral and physiological changes . . . over a prolonged period comparable to those observed in higher mammals."

Other studies have demonstrated the agitated responses of fish to painful conditions, from rapid respiration to color changes to the secretion of stress hormones. Does this mean that a fish feels pain in just the way we do, or that its small brain can "understand" the painful event? No. It does mean that the ordeal of being hooked through the mouth, yanked at the end of a fishing line, and prevented from breathing each time its body leaves the water is intensely unpleasant and distressing. To put a fish through that ordeal in order to eat fresh fish is one thing. But to do it for fun?

Anglers tell themselves that catch-and-release fishing is more humane and nature-friendly than catching fish and killing them. That strikes me as a conscience-salving fib. Hurting an animal for enjoyment is never nature-friendly, even if the animal doesn't die. Sport fishing is clearly more cruel than hunting. Hunters don't torment their prey or force it to engage in frenzied combat. They aim to kill the animal, as quickly and painlessly as possible. But how many sport fisherman want a quick kill? Where's the excitement in that?

"We angle because we like the fight," Kerasote writes. "Otherwise all of us would be using hookless [flies] and not one angler in 10,000 does. The hook allows us to control and exert power over fish, over one of the most beautiful and seductive forms of nature, and then, because we're nice to the fish, releasing them 'unharmed,' we can receive both psychic dispensation and blessing. Needless to say, if you think about this relationship carefully, it's not a comforting one, for it is a game of dominance followed by cathartic pardons, which . . . is one of the hallmarks of an abusive relationship." (His essay in Orion, by the way, was titled "Catch and Deny.")

I'm not blind to the beauty of fishing, to the peace many find in it, to the connection it affords to the water and the surrounding landscape. But any sport that depends for its enjoyability on forcing an animal to fight for its life is wrong. Wrong for what it does to the fish. Even more wrong for what it does to the fisherman.

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48944011.html?mobile=yes
I can paste wall of text too... And I'm not inflicting any pain/injury whatsoever to any animal by doing so... whistling.gif
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here..this 2 para and 1 sentence will explain ur above wall of text about pain...
the bolded part below elaborate on wat those amateurs about try to put up as a legit reason..
and if i MAY emphasize..my link was as of Aug-2013... oh waii...



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Unlike humans fish do not possess a neocortex, which is the first indicator of doubt regarding the pain awareness of fish. Furthermore, certain nerve fibres in mammals (known as c-nociceptors) have been shown to be involved in the sensation of intense experiences of pain. All primitive cartilaginous fish subject to the study, such as sharks and rays, show a complete lack of these fibres and all bony fish – which includes all common types of fish such as carp and trout – very rarely have them. In this respect, the physiological prerequisites for a conscious experience of pain are hardly developed in fish. However, bony fish certainly possess simple nociceptors and they do of course show reactions to injuries and other interventions. But it is not known whether this is perceived as pain.

There is often a lack of distinction between conscious pain and unconscious nociception

The current overview-study raises the complaint that a great majority of all published studies evaluate a fish’s reaction to a seemingly painful impulse - such as rubbing the injured body part against an object or the discontinuation of the feed intake - as an indication of pain. However, this methodology does not prove verifiably whether the reaction was due to a conscious sensation of pain or an unconscious impulse perception by means of nociception, or a combination of the two. Basically, it is very difficult to deduct underlying emotional states based on behavioural responses. Moreover, fish often show only minor or no reactions at all to interventions which would be extremely painful to us and to other mammals. Pain killers such as morphine that are effective for humans were either ineffective in fish or were only effective in astronomically high doses that, for small mammals, would have meant immediate death from shock. These findings suggest that fish either have absolutely no awareness of pain in human terms or they react completely different to pain. By and large, it is absolutely not advisable to interpret the behaviour of fish from a human perspective.

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post Sep 20 2013, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:18 AM)
The point is... the writer conveyed better what I feel...

I need no scientist to tell me that sport fishing is cruel... I know so...

Unless the animal abusers themselves... need scientists to tell them fish don't feel pain, so therefore let's put hooks in their mouth...
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Overfishing is more damaging to fish stocks than sport-fishing.
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:18 AM)
The point is... the writer conveyed better what I feel...

I need no scientist to tell me that sport fishing is cruel... I know so...

Unless the animal abusers themselves... need scientists to tell them fish don't feel pain, so therefore let's put hooks in their mouth...
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what u feel is pretty subjective

so if i feel u r an idi!ot then u r an id!ot lah ?

that is why there are journals and articles to backup claims
Mech Warrior 6
post Sep 20 2013, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:18 AM)
The point is... the writer conveyed better what I feel...

I need no scientist to tell me that sport fishing is cruel... I know so...

Unless the animal abusers themselves... need scientists to tell them fish don't feel pain, so therefore let's put hooks in their mouth...
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oh so now we're no longer seeking out the truth about pain..but base on ur opinion, my thinking and eveyone else's assumption?

guess finally u realized there's no scientific research to back up wat u say huh? and instead of jst admitting to it..u skip that and elaborate and emphasize that it is all about the way you fooking feel.. lol..

i FEEL u should STILL........go back to mars.
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(kumanosuke @ Sep 20 2013, 10:21 AM)
what u feel is pretty subjective

so if i feel u r an idi!ot then u r an id!ot lah ?

that is why there are journals and articles to backup claims
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ahh..my point exactly! thank kiu for the emphasize sir!
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Sep 20 2013, 10:20 AM)
Overfishing is more damaging to fish stocks than sport-fishing.
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Who says anything about overfishing?

It's not like "I hate sport fishing, I must overfish now"

Why twist?



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post Sep 20 2013, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(kumanosuke @ Sep 20 2013, 10:21 AM)
what u feel is pretty subjective

so if i feel u r an idi!ot then u r an id!ot lah ?

that is why there are journals and articles to backup claims
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Feel watever yu wanna feel...

I still think sport fishing = animal abuse
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:25 AM)
Feel watever yu wanna feel...

I still think sport fishing = animal abuse
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i FEEL u should close this tered...change ur password to something u cant remember at all..and go back mars..

yupp..that's how i FEEL...

lol..i gonna tag ur nick as the FEEL GUY in /k...
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:23 AM)
Who says anything about overfishing?

It's not like "I hate sport fishing, I must overfish now"

Why twist?
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not twisting duddo, but am afraid you're barking at the wrong tree. If you truly care about animals, it would be more worthwhile to also consider the future survival of their species which is more important.

And sport fishos and anglers around the world are pretty on the ball when it comes to conservation of freshwater and saltwater fish stocks- for the future of the sport and the environment.
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 20 2013, 10:27 AM)
i FEEL u should close  this tered...change ur password to something u cant remember at all..and go back mars..

yupp..that's how i FEEL...

lol..i gonna tag ur nick as the FEEL GUY in /k...
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Sakit juboq ye bang? laugh.gif

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post Sep 20 2013, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:29 AM)
Sakit juboq ye bang? laugh.gif
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oh.u can feel it too? i guess it takes 2 to feel the sakit-ness.. lol tongue.gif

and jst so u know...u should check out tereds that i have posted..one about a list... then u know it's not about sakit duboqness or not d... whistling.gif

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post Sep 20 2013, 10:31 AM

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So, what bait should I put on the hook to fish for cats?

...so I can release it back afterwards... you know... giving it the chance to breed...
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:31 AM)
So, what bait should I put on the hook to fish for cats?

...so I can release it back afterwards... you know... giving it the chance to breed...
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you're starting to sound like PETA.

oh dont tell me you're against animal testing too?
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:32 AM

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Or shgould I call my sport 'sport catting'?
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:31 AM)
So, what bait should I put on the hook to fish for cats?

...so I can release it back afterwards... you know... giving it the chance to breed...
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u must have obtained negative during IQ test..

anyway..if i may suggest on fishing for sports on LAND...it's best to try monitor lizard..
they are quite powerful and will pose a bigger excitement..
cat cant really do much..they would jst run most of the time..
monitor lizard around 3mtr or more, including tail...fights back....
nearly got clawed a couple times..but it's alot more fun than cat...trust me..

dog not suggested...coz they are pretty agile..it's like fighting with a tiger..minus the death possibility unless ur neck's unprotected...
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i think it is cruel to kill fish by letting it suffocate just like that, western culture stun their animal 1st before killing it, more humane way to kill
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Mech Warrior 6 @ Sep 20 2013, 10:35 AM)
u must have obtained negative during IQ test..

anyway..if i may suggest on fishing for sports on LAND...it's best to try monitor lizard..
they are quite powerful and will pose a bigger excitement..
cat cant really do much..they would jst run most of the time..
monitor lizard around 3mtr or more, including tail...fights back....
nearly got clawed a couple times..but it's alot more fun than cat...trust me..

dog not suggested...coz they are pretty agile..it's like fighting with a tiger..minus the death possibility unless ur neck's unprotected...
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let him do whatever he wants lah.

But why stop at monitor lizard? ts should pancing buaya, barulah extreme...
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QUOTE(maknismudekots @ Sep 20 2013, 10:32 AM)
Or shgould I call my sport 'sport catting'?
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call it watever u want..but my advice about monitor lizard is serious shit...
i accompany my frends a couple times..and i could only open my mouth in amazement all the time...

and yes, like i say before..i am not really into fishing..jst sharing out my thoughts about those against or with on fishing...and i prefer to have scientific backing if possible..i dont mind being wrong..coz that means i learnt something new..i dont let principle or ego to take control of me... heck, i admitted wrong in /k countless times when they provided link to prove me wrong....
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Sep 20 2013, 10:36 AM)
i think it is cruel to kill fish by letting it suffocate just like that, western culture stun their animal 1st before killing it, more humane way to kill
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Fish don't feel pain... forget about them...

It's us human's need to feel powerful(or mulia) that's important...


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