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TSStarbucki
post Sep 14 2013, 02:57 PM, updated 13y ago

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Hi all,

For a newly-formed company intending to pay only Director Fees, is there a need to register with EPF, Socso and LHDN, and then remit any % of Director Fees to them?

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post Sep 14 2013, 03:06 PM

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Among the payments not liable for EPF contribution:
• Service charges
• Overtime payment
• Reward
• Retirement benefits
• Retrenchment, temporary and lay-off termination benefits
• Any travelling allowance or the value of any travelling concession
• Payment in lieu of notice of termination of employment
• Director's fee

The above list is not exhaustive. Should require further clarification, please contact our Call Management Centre at 03-89226000, enquiry or any EPF Office.
http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/en/employers...-responsibility

Categories of employees exempted from SOCSO's coverage:-

• Government employees
• Domestic servants
• Self-employed persons
• Foreign workers
• Business owner and spouses of sole-proprietorship or partnership
http://www.perkeso.gov.my/en/employer-a-employee.html

LHDN...I think director can-lah
TSStarbucki
post Sep 14 2013, 03:10 PM

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Thanks, yklooi.

So it means that Director's Fees have to pay PCB to LHDN?
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post Sep 14 2013, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Sep 14 2013, 03:10 PM)
Thanks, yklooi.

So it means that Director's Fees have to pay PCB to LHDN?
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hmm.gif I think it depends on the amount......
example.
http://www.hasil.gov.my/goindex.php?kump=5...it=5000&sequ=11




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TSStarbucki
post Sep 14 2013, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 14 2013, 03:12 PM)
hmm.gif I think it depends on the amount......
example.
http://www.hasil.gov.my/goindex.php?kump=5...it=5000&sequ=11
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What is the best way to pay Director without having to pay LHDN upfront?
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post Sep 14 2013, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Sep 14 2013, 03:16 PM)
What is the best way to pay Director without having to pay LHDN upfront?
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hmm.gif pay at the end of the year?
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post Sep 14 2013, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 14 2013, 04:00 PM)
hmm.gif pay at the end of the year?
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Maybe I should rephrase my question:

What is the best way to classify payment to myself on a regular basis, without the company having to pay EPF, Socso, LHDN or Kastam?

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Sep 14 2013, 04:06 PM)
Maybe I should rephrase my question:

What is the best way to classify payment to myself on a regular basis, without the company having to pay EPF, Socso, LHDN or Kastam?
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hmm.gif good question....
what about dun't pay director fees above the taxable rate?
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post Sep 14 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 14 2013, 04:12 PM)
hmm.gif good question....
what about dun't pay director fees above the taxable rate?
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Which is RM2,500 per year? Can't survive with that amount la. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 14 2013, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Sep 14 2013, 04:13 PM)
Which is RM2,500 per year? Can't survive with that amount la.  biggrin.gif
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what about paying a little taxes and the director got higher fees...both win-win for the director and the govt....
unless you have certain reason against paying taxes.
that's is all I know.....
guess the govt needed taxes to run and give BR1M among others

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post Sep 14 2013, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 14 2013, 04:19 PM)
what about paying a little taxes and the director got higher fees...both win-win for the director and the govt....
unless you have certain reason against paying taxes.
that's is all I know.....
guess the govt needed taxes to run and give BR1M among others
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Taxes has to be paid of course. My point is that if I receive the Director Fees, I will have to declare it in full in my BE Form. That is on personal income tax.

On the company side, I would like to find out what procedures there are when it comes to my Sdn Bhd paying me the Director Fees, as in what are the procedures and % of tax to be paid, and when.
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post Sep 14 2013, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Sep 14 2013, 04:24 PM)
Taxes has to be paid of course. My point is that if I receive the Director Fees, I will have to declare it in full in my BE Form. That is on personal income tax.

On the company side, I would like to find out what procedures there are when it comes to my Sdn Bhd paying me the Director Fees, as in what are the procedures and % of tax to be paid, and when.
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rclxms.gif get the advise of a qualified tax accountant......what is posted here may not be "qualified". and you may end up in deep shit with the govt. ha-ha
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post Sep 14 2013, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 14 2013, 04:30 PM)
rclxms.gif get the advise of a qualified tax accountant......what is posted here may not be "qualified". and you may end up in deep shit with the govt. ha-ha
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I am sure there are some excellent tax/accounting/cosec types here smile.gif
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post Sep 14 2013, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Sep 14 2013, 04:32 PM)
I am sure there are some excellent tax/accounting/cosec types here  smile.gif
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then how do you who is real? hmm.gif
are they really helping you or secretly "hurting" you in the end? sweat.gif

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post Sep 14 2013, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Sep 14 2013, 04:06 PM)
Maybe I should rephrase my question:

What is the best way to classify payment to myself on a regular basis, without the company having to pay EPF, Socso, LHDN or Kastam?
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Director salary paid for each month - subjected to EPF, Socso, PCB (Tax instalment)

Director fee paid in ad-hoc basis - Not subject to EPF and Socso, Have to declare in BE form

Company tax rate is at 20% (For the first RM500k chargable income), subsequently 25% flat rate.
While Personal tax rate is multi tier rate, max at 26%.
These figure will help u in your business tax planning
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post Sep 15 2013, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Sep 14 2013, 07:04 PM)
Director fee paid in ad-hoc basis - Not subject to EPF and Socso, Have to declare in BE form

Company tax rate is at 20% (For the first RM500k chargable income), subsequently 25% flat rate.
While Personal tax rate is multi tier rate, max at 26%.
These figure will help u in your business tax planning
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If pay dividend, is it taxable at personal level?

Or if pay ownself as consultant?
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post Sep 15 2013, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(Starbucki @ Sep 15 2013, 03:20 PM)
If pay dividend, is it taxable at personal level?

Or if pay ownself as consultant?
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Even if u declare dividend, the profit at Company level still has to pay tax.

Then why not declare director salary/fee to reduce it? is all about tax planning
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post Sep 15 2013, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Sep 15 2013, 06:26 PM)
Even if u declare dividend, the profit at Company level still has to pay tax.

Then why not declare director salary/fee to reduce it? is all about tax planning
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rclxms.gif but TS is seeking to "What is the best way to classify payment to myself on a regular basis, without the company having to pay EPF, Socso, LHDN or Kastam?"
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post Sep 15 2013, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 15 2013, 06:30 PM)
rclxms.gif  but TS is seeking to "What is the best way to classify payment to myself on a regular basis, without the company having to pay EPF, Socso, LHDN or Kastam?"
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My bad sweat.gif

Dividend would be the best option to avoid all the above, since our tax structure is tax on one source.

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post Sep 15 2013, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Sep 15 2013, 06:32 PM)
My bad sweat.gif

Dividend would be the best option to avoid all the above, since our tax structure is tax on one source.
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So it is best to, for example, let the company revenue be taxed maximum at 20%, then declare the Profit After Tax as dividends (which is not taxable at the personal level at 25%)?

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