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post Sep 19 2013, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 19 2013, 04:17 PM)
true, true - that side, gotta fast hand fast leg to buy or sell. biggrin.gif
anyway, happy to see sunreit gaining 4 sen today, nice! thumbup.gif
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Can't compare to AXREIT. Up 9 cents. Looks like some big fund wants to come back into Malaysian REITs.
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post Dec 12 2013, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Dec 12 2013, 10:01 AM)
Anybody using KLSE.I3investor ?

some stock in my portfolio show 0.00 price. example KLCC and Sukuk...

anybody facing the same problem... icon_question.gif
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I use it too. It shows 0.00 price for stocks that have no transactions today. Probably due to a change in how Bursa makes its data publicly available? Hopefully the owner of the site will fix it soon.
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post Dec 12 2013, 04:41 PM

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For what it's worth, I'm still holding on to my REITs with no intention to sell though I do regret not selling when the price peaked and yields were in the 4% to 5% range. Too late now. I will probably buy more if it drops another 10% or so.

Edited to add: actually I did sell some when prices were high: CMMT and KLCCP but kept most of my REITs.

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post Dec 12 2013, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 12 2013, 05:40 PM)
How we know it is peak when it is at peak?
We do not know.
Until the price fall down.

Just like now, when is the bottom?
We do not know, until the price reverse to up trend.
But AXREIT at peak hit more than 4.10. Even I thought that was stupidly overvalued. But then I thought, my buy price is really low so I don't care, just keep for dividends. Now I see the price is going to break 3.00 and realize that I should have sold at 4.10 and bought back later, at least when net dividends were more than 5% or so.
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post Dec 20 2013, 10:59 AM

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I was surprised to see Alex Lu writing that REITs have now fallen sufficiently low to be interesting again.
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post Dec 23 2013, 01:49 PM

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Wow, AXREIT still dropping but with low volume. I personally set target to buy at around 2.9. Looks like it can be quite likely.
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post Dec 30 2013, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Dec 30 2013, 02:51 PM)
QE tapering affecting MREITs for past half year and most MREITs dropped 10% or more

I suppose QE tapering will affect Malaysia's bond also, but when I check on the past 6 months performance of PBIBF (PB Islamic Bond Fund), it shows a possible return of 0.7% for past 6 months, how come?
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Bond prices dropped, that's why most local bond funds aren't doing so well. Increased yields directly imply lower prices, same as REITs.
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post Jan 16 2014, 11:26 PM

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Time to buy AXREIT? I promised I would and I will. But I'll wait on Monday first to see if index drops below 1800.
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post Jan 17 2014, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jan 17 2014, 07:15 AM)
Why do you care about the index? Buy when the price is right...
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Just because I'm happy to buy something at a certain price doesn't mean that I won't be even happier to buy it at a lower price than that, right?

Anyway, the reasoning is that if the index breaks 1800, it could go tumbling down a ways after that, signalling a downtrend or correction. I would expect most counters to drop at least slightly if such an event occurs, no?
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post Jan 17 2014, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jan 17 2014, 10:33 AM)
how long do you think tapering will be going on?  hmm.gif
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Presumably tapering will go on at an irregular pace until the amount drops to zero eventually. After all, having the Fed buy assets on the open market isn't natural. And the tapering has already started since monthly bond purchases were cut by $10 billion.

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post Jan 19 2014, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jan 17 2014, 05:12 PM)
Copied from gark's siggy  brows.gif

"Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves." - Peter Lynch

gark = guru
Peter Lynch = mahaguru
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I disagree with this sentiment. It implies that when the money is not invested, it is not earning a return. It is not a binary proposition, either keep cash or invest in stock A. Instead, there is a spectrum of possibilities. I may be interested in stock A and keeping an eye on it, but at the same time my cash could be in fixed deposits, or a bond fund, or stock B etc.
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post Jan 19 2014, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 19 2014, 12:39 PM)
Waiting for something to drop or become cheaper and when it does not do so and instead goes up, you have oppurtunity loss. Although you are still earning fd rates, you could have earned much more.

And never forget you need to earn more than 5% yearly just to match inflation and keep your purchasing power, anything less than that you will have inflation loss. Although it is great to see that your fd rates is earning 3%, but in reality you are losing  at least 2% purchasing power.

And some might argue real inflation is above 5%..... rolleyes.gif
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There is a snarky condescension in this post which I find slightly offensive. In any case, you have once again assumed without any input from me that the point of comparison is FD. In my case, it is two bond funds with Public Mutual, both of which have actually underperformed FD over the past year but have outperformed FD in previous years. The comparison isn't that clear cut now is it?

Your assumption of a 5% inflation rate directly implies that all investment in Malaysian government securities, in most bond funds and even in some local REITs cause a net loss in purchasing power since they do not pass that hurdle. You also ignore the prospect of risk and capital loss in making these statements.

Finally given that your personal hurdle rate is so high, may I ask which investments do you personally undertake that allows you to comfortably exceed that rate with a reasonable degree of risk?

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post Jan 27 2014, 02:37 PM

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This chart doesn't have January, so we have to wait until beginning of March to judge it. Anyway it applies to Hang Seng Index. Where's the KLCI one?

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