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post Dec 3 2013, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(lrm8888 @ Dec 3 2013, 02:50 PM)
hi all, i'm very interested in investing in REIT. It will be my 1st time in investing in REIT. Any advice on which REIT should i look at? and is it a good time to look at REIT? i mean with new RPGT rate and assessment rate in KL...is it wise to invest in REIT now?
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This is an investment decision that you have to decide on yourself. Reason being:
1) Those that already invested and holding on to their REITs would of course hope it pans out and will say its a good investment
2) Those that have not enter and already dispose off their REITs will say the REITs has reached its maximum value and will fall from here on.

You only need these facts:
1) Increase of assessment rates no doubt will be a concern, but if the building has value, this will not affect much
2) REITs will give you consistent dividends but can be reduced if the market is not favorable. Check the industry type of these REITs and you can read about them in economical books. All economic cycles are similar
3) In the end there are always risk, that's why it is called investment. Market sentiment can be affected by investors' perception, crashes can come if suddenly some scandals broke out etc. These factors can't be predicted only can be mitigated.

You just have to trust on your judgement after looking at all these factors. That's the best you can do and if you're confident, you can proceed to invest. Basically all REITs in MY is more or less the same. Just read their DY history.
Good luck.

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post Dec 3 2013, 03:09 PM

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I see u everywhere...from Cupid Corner to Finance to Kopitiam shocking.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Dec 3 2013, 03:14 PM)
i also see you many time...you will post you still single and available...

desperate for girls ?
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Well, my style of posting will change in different forums. Don't think I can post "I have REITs in my portfolio and I'm still single" here brows.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 3 2013, 03:55 PM)
Yes Investments always associate with risks, so an advice to check your own risk profile .

Let say after checking , and u belong to the Moderate risk group, then u invest accordingly.

But again , risks of the asset classes  would not stand still throughout your time frame of investments . The only diff is ASB, whereby a guarantee is given for the capital sum invested.....
Meaning to say , REITS could suffer losses and even going bust too, so u still need to monitor and form your own judgments from time to time.  So I beg to differ on your statement as such :-

Market sentiment can be affected by investors' perception, crashes can come if suddenly some scandals broke out etc. These factors can't be predicted only can be mitigated."
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I do value your input but what I'm trying to show is sometimes no matter how sound your research or monitoring there are bounds to be some factors that are beyond our control. Just for a simple example, if suddenly there is a scandal of the building materials being used for a particular REIT's buildings and there are cracks being formed. What do you think will happen to the REIT's price overnight? Companies can fall overnight from what we seen in real life examples like Enron, Worldcom and even banks that are considered one of the safest haven to invest in.

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post Dec 3 2013, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 3 2013, 04:25 PM)
" Companies can fall overnight from what we seen in real life examples like Enron, Worldcom and even banks that are considered one of the safest haven to invest in"

Did I say banks are considered the safest of all times ?

I beg to differ on this point . In fact , as I say earlier risk changing every now and then , from time to time . And U can read the latest report from S & P about our  banks and what problems they might face later.About risk changed the moment such reports surfaced.

I am saying u still need to monitor their ( banks )  reports from time to time , then to blame others if things fail....

I am quite sure u could spot some fishing things out of Enron reports , rather solely blaming people like the Auditors.

If let say u have doubts like many do about China red chips, then making a decision to avoid them .........

Not all companies fall because of natural disasters , mostly man created ill intentions...........so u have to aware of.
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Actually I was the one that say banks are one of the safest havens. It was a general perception then before the banks actually start to fall. This is the investors' perception I was refering to and you're absolutely right, risk does change every now and then. That is why the investor's perception will change in concurence.

As a general investor and not sitting on the board, how are we to assess that the reports are of true and fair view and there are no window dressing involved? In addition being signed off from a reputable audit firm? No matter how well verse we are in finance or accounting, I will not be able to detect fraud if I'm not in possession of the accounting records and internal documents and contracts as the auditors did. The auditors do have to absord a bigger portion of the blame. That's how Arthur Andersen fell.

You're absolutely right again to say not all companies fall because of natural disasters. I don't believe I say that as well. The example I made is through corruption of using substandard building materials, which is man made.
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 3 2013, 04:44 PM)
Yes, not everything is within control one.
And nothing is perfectly secured.

Research and monitoring is intended to minimise the risk, not eliminate.
Scandal that lead to company fall overnight happened from time to time.

There is reason, why some people only go for some conservative company, only invest in company they familiar for decade, familiar what is the business nature/model of the company.

When you invest in a company or reit, you basically trust the company CEO or reit manager to handle well the issues related to the company and reit.
That's why track record is used and an important aspect in evaluate how well the company is run as well in investment decision.

Why some company share price traded at premium like BAT, Dutch Lady, PBB?
While some company traded at single digit PE, share price cap even less than total cash amount in the balance sheet.

Something that beyond one control, then needless to worry, as worry also no use, as one has no control on it.
If the company has no good track record, and feel no confidence, then just don't invest in it.  smile.gif
But shy away reit just because of fear of building may crack is overly.
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Well, I've also made up my mind and the fear of building may crack is out of the window. That's why I'm investing in REITs biggrin.gif
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post Dec 3 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 3 2013, 04:50 PM)
One thing that difficult to fake is always real cash, and dividend that already given to shareholders.
Profit figure, balance sheet may can twist and turn within the law of accounting,
but hard cash in bank, and real money dividend to the shareholders cannot be twisted.

There is reason, why investors give premium price to those dividend stocks.
Don't need to worry about accounting scandal, if company give all or most of the profit made to the shareholders.
As there is no place to hide if company give those profit to shareholders.
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Yes agreed. That is why REITs is the safest from accounting window dressing based on the rules have to provide a big portion of the profits to shareholders. Have been studying REITs concept for quite sometime before decided to go in
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post Dec 11 2013, 08:08 PM

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Am just gonna live with it. Keep on compiling if the price falls further. No point having sleepless night thinking of what could have been. Besides REITs are shareholdings. Will increase in price during the next boom cycle. Indirectly will increase dividend yields also.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 11 2013, 08:26 PM)
And I know u still single brows.gif
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Yea......don't have to use much money for living expenses brows.gif
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post Dec 12 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Dec 12 2013, 02:09 PM)
IBM sell talents.
Hire u for 5k, but what you do generates 50k.
Sell solution and consultancy services. Good money really.
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I concur consulting is the best business. No capital holdings, cash flow liquid and no huge storage space required. Can just rent a prison-cell size office and sell service from there brows.gif
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post Dec 13 2013, 09:06 AM

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Gonna stop looking at shareholding reports now. My capital gain and losses in REITs now break even. Better to watch TV series brows.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 13 2013, 04:44 PM)
magnum or axis
magnum or axis
similar yield
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A no brainer for me actually. I cannot buy stocks in companies that sell "sins". Karma issue. If not would have sapu btoto and genting already brows.gif

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post Dec 13 2013, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 13 2013, 04:52 PM)
Mr Single, u muslim? blink.gif
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Nope. Karma lah brother...muslim don't preach karma brows.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 16 2013, 10:43 AM)
Rm12k per month gross does not bring home very much less allow Rm6k for investment  smile.gif

Maybe double that and you may have Rm6k monthly extra for investments
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Yes. Agree. With RM6K free cash per mth, you need a gross salary around 25K/mth, unless no commitments on house loans, car loans, insurance and monthly bills & expenses brows.gif
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Dec 16 2013, 11:00 AM)
@funnybone is single, so 6K is no problem. tongue.gif

i can only save 100 per month only. can buy one lot of STAREIT or AMFIRST per month.
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Single ppl also got expenses lah bro brows.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 16 2013, 11:19 AM)
well SOME salary is exempted from both..  tongue.gif
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That's for contract staff. Agree brows.gif
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Call me sentimental. But I keep on pumping into SUNREIT now coz that's the first REITs I bought when I started out brows.gif
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Didn'y realize that STAREIT is now known as YTLREIT....thought I was given a gift stock when I look at my portfolio today brows.gif
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Dec 19 2013, 02:45 PM)
arreit,sunreit and igbreit. cmmt still kiv.
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Concentrate your bullet on SUNREIT brows.gif
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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Dec 19 2013, 03:03 PM)
u vested ? brows.gif
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Let's put it this way. If tomorrow SUNREIT closes shop, I'll need to sell my (_|_) brows.gif

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