REIT V5, Real Estate Investment Trust
REIT V5, Real Estate Investment Trust
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Oct 30 2013, 04:55 PM
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Both IGBREIT and AXISREIT got more sellers than buyers at Trading At Last...what does this mean?
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Oct 30 2013, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 30 2013, 05:13 PM) It just means seller eager to dispose for today. REITs under selling pressure? I actually felt wanna accumulate, but seeing situation like this, could there be further downside tomorrow? Q of buyer and seller actually means nothing nor can give indicator how the price movement will be. Oh ya hor...Fed meeting tonite right? |
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Oct 30 2013, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 30 2013, 05:14 PM) me too, basic chords only since my major interest to learn last time was to write songs and not to play music. the "dirty" sound is what makes it rock 'n roll the part i couldn't "breakout" was it's so hard to play clean sound (particularly on solo) as my fingers keep "sticking" on the strings that creating annoying noise. i asked musicians and they said this: simple, all you need is practice practice practice. only that you can "feel the technique" to play clean sound. they suggest at least 4 hours a day for a continuing 3 months non-stop, in order to see the "breakout". I made most progress last time when I buy guitar magazines every month and keep learning the songs note-for-note, but that's just for fun/syiok sendiri playing along to the backing tracks, no progress on the "creativity" side of music playing 4 hours a day I play 1 hr I already feeling dizzy and wanna drop dead on bed QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 30 2013, 05:17 PM) Ok back to topic... Which REITs u have? Now I only got IGBREIT, looking at AXISREIT for diversification This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 30 2013, 05:21 PM |
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Oct 30 2013, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 30 2013, 05:26 PM) i got sunreit, cmmt, hektar, igbreit, pavreit, klcc (half-reit), stareit. Most if not all retail properties i plan to add back axreit but still waiting for a lower entry. Let's hope that Axis drop below 3.40 tmrw This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 30 2013, 05:27 PM |
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Oct 30 2013, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 30 2013, 05:31 PM) yes, most IBs now say mall oversupply. Yeah, cos Malaysians simply love going to malls so need to closely monitor the market surrounding their assets. so far i think they are fine, still at great locations with good crowd. as for Hektar, the lower valuation has priced in the worry of less prime location assets. in fact, i even think it's kind of defensive for being a neighborhood mall as long as those residence still living there. my target of axreit is 3.00-3.20....hopefully. So far most malls owned by REITs have resilient crowd numbers I see... 3.00-3.20 Aren't u a bit greedy? |
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Oct 30 2013, 08:29 PM
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Oct 31 2013, 09:37 AM
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Oct 31 2013, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 30 2013, 10:15 PM) Although IGBreit gave 3.43 cents, its EPS is not 3.43 cents. It means that the manager will get more % holding in the REIT, i.e. dilute other unitholders' shareholding?Realised income from operation is not 3.43 cents. But 1.49 + 1.45 = 2.94 cents, from the 1st half. But due to the fact, the manager fee is paid on unit instead of cash, the extra cash enable the reit to give extra until 3.43 cents. Again for the 3rd Q, its EPS is 1.58 cents, but distributable DPU 1.83 cents, again the extra coming from non-cash manager fee. So 7 cents may achievable. But one must take note that the DPU is exceeding its EPS. EPS should always be used to justify a sustainable payout yield over the long term. |
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Nov 20 2013, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 20 2013, 08:22 AM) My personal thoughts & executed for SG REITs with reinvestment option: Odd Lots??? Ok, no DRIP for me 1. IF the price of reinvesment is "NOT of value" (up to U to decide - be it based on net DY%, Price vs NAV, etc.), then no lor 2. IF decision (1) is to reinvest, THEN am i OK with holding Odd Lots? ie. will i be sitting on this for looooong term, thus odd lots dont bother me? 3. Execute reinvest or get $ Simplistic thinking heheh I've never thought of it before This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Nov 20 2013, 09:20 AM |
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Nov 22 2013, 11:59 AM
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Nov 22 2013, 01:19 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 22 2013, 12:08 PM) Pinky do you know how Fund manager how they mange the bond fund and Financial Statment of the Bond fund - do the revalue bond value(follow the market value or purchase value) in the report ? Bond holdings are ALL revalued at every reporting date to "fair value", that's where the NAV movements come from. |
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Nov 22 2013, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 22 2013, 01:25 PM) Hi cherroy; Felix,I thought few year back the Bond yield trade lower in MGS around 3%, but now is 4%. When MGS move up%; so do new BOND cupon rate. Those OLD bond prior will jv lower pricing to match the new bond. How come the old bond are hv higher yield ? Furthermore yesterday and today i can see Public Mutual Bond fund NAV drop so much in sudden. Thank for the advice. Let me explain using an analogy/example. 1-M FD rate is now 3%. U ask me to lend RM1,000 to u. I put in bank FD there is zero risk to me. So, I put a 4% "margin"/"mark-up", I lend RM1,000 to u at interest rate of 7% p.a. U write an IOU note to me (that's my "bond") If tomorrow 1-M FD rate rise to 5%, do u think I'd still want to lend to u at 7% p.a.? Of course not! But the IOU is already signed, put in writing. U will still pay me coupon/interest of RM70 p.a. on the loan. Do u think I can sell this 7% IOU note (i.e. transfer this debt) to another person at RM1,000? NO, no idiot would wanna buy it at RM1,000 unless he's an idiot. Most likely I can only sell this IOU note at RM800++. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Nov 22 2013, 01:33 PM |
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Nov 22 2013, 01:35 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 22 2013, 01:38 PM) that i understand..let me requote cherroy(Forgive me Both u and cherroy also not very clear » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « How come got such Old bond with higher yield that current new bond. Then maybe i interpret wrong...the BOLD ONE. Ok, let's put in one at a time - bonds have a few crucial elements in determining its pricing: (1) maturity (2) credit rating of the issuer (3) current risk-free interest rate Let me TRY to understand cherroy... Let's say previously MGS rate 3% ABC Berhad issue bond with coupon of 8% It will be in demand (assuming credit rating of ABC Berhad is decent) Thus, it will get premium pricing, thus the YIELD won't be high. |
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Nov 22 2013, 01:44 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 01:45 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 22 2013, 01:50 PM) Nah maths for you... Dayum u gark...remind me of my nightmare years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_valuation You can use present value calc... ![]() where: F = face values iF = contractual interest rate C = F * iF = coupon payment (periodic interest payment) N = number of payments i = market interest rate, or required yield, or observed / appropriate yield to maturity (see below) M = value at maturity, usually equals face value P = market price of bond. |
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Nov 22 2013, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 22 2013, 01:49 PM) Pinky - alcohol affects estrogen & testosterone levels neh. In addition, alcohol encourages calories to be stored as energy (ie. fat). Drinking is just part of the process of fishing for amoi...now amoi on hand, I reduced the drinking, sleeping every nite with amoi Will impact your goal to acquire muscle mass / ripped physique Hug amoi Logical conclusion: Just go for the amoi Sorry mods okok back to REITs.. Thank gawd i switched ALL my REIT funds to CIMB Principal Global Titans Fund (developed market) + chopped any REITs getting me below 7%pa net DY and moved to ETFs (SGX + OZ)... for me, "blind luck beats skill" this round. Was doing a total portfolio rebalancing based on my new CWA planner's advise Ok, back to topic I still have 45% of my UT portfolio in bond funds...izit too late to switch? The 2 bond funds are delivering sub-FD and zero annualised returns respectively now. |
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Nov 22 2013, 02:09 PM
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