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post Oct 30 2013, 04:55 PM

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Both IGBREIT and AXISREIT got more sellers than buyers at Trading At Last...what does this mean? hmm.gif
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post Oct 30 2013, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 30 2013, 05:13 PM)
It just means seller eager to dispose for today.

Q of buyer and seller actually means nothing nor can give indicator how the price movement will be.
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REITs under selling pressure? I actually felt wanna accumulate, but seeing situation like this, could there be further downside tomorrow? hmm.gif

Oh ya hor...Fed meeting tonite right?
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post Oct 30 2013, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 30 2013, 05:14 PM)
me too, basic chords only since my major interest to learn last time was to write songs and not to play music.
the part i couldn't "breakout" was it's so hard to play clean sound (particularly on solo) as my fingers keep "sticking" on the strings that creating annoying noise.
i asked musicians and they said this: simple, all you need is practice practice practice. only that you can "feel the technique" to play clean sound. they suggest at least 4 hours a day for a continuing 3 months non-stop, in order to see the "breakout".  laugh.gif
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the "dirty" sound is what makes it rock 'n roll tongue.gif

I made most progress last time when I buy guitar magazines every month and keep learning the songs note-for-note, but that's just for fun/syiok sendiri playing along to the backing tracks, no progress on the "creativity" side of music playing doh.gif

4 hours a day sweat.gif

I play 1 hr I already feeling dizzy and wanna drop dead on bed rclxub.gif

QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 30 2013, 05:17 PM)
i like it actually, to see continue dumping of REITs, while continue lowering of bond's yield.  cool2.gif
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Ok back to topic... tongue.gif

Which REITs u have?

Now I only got IGBREIT, looking at AXISREIT for diversification unsure.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 30 2013, 05:21 PM
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post Oct 30 2013, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 30 2013, 05:26 PM)
i got sunreit, cmmt, hektar, igbreit, pavreit, klcc (half-reit), stareit.
i plan to add back axreit but still waiting for a lower entry.
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Most if not all retail properties hmm.gif

Let's hope that Axis drop below 3.40 tmrw icon_idea.gif

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post Oct 30 2013, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 30 2013, 05:31 PM)
yes, most IBs now say mall oversupply.
so need to closely monitor the market surrounding their assets. so far i think they are fine, still at great locations with good crowd.
as for Hektar, the lower valuation has priced in the worry of less prime location assets. in fact, i even think it's kind of defensive for being a neighborhood mall as long as those residence still living there.

my target of axreit is 3.00-3.20....hopefully.  biggrin.gif
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Yeah, cos Malaysians simply love going to malls sweat.gif

So far most malls owned by REITs have resilient crowd numbers I see...

3.00-3.20 shocking.gif
Aren't u a bit greedy? tongue.gif
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post Oct 30 2013, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(kyle_kl @ Oct 30 2013, 08:22 PM)
MReit = mall reit?
i thought Hektar is the highest among mall reit.
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MREIT = Malaysian REIT
SREIT = Singaporean REIT
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post Oct 31 2013, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Chicken~:> @ Oct 31 2013, 09:19 AM)
do you mean their dividen payout ratio is 1.83/1.58=116% ???

Is it good for investor? Extra cash giving back to shareholder..
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Good is good, but not sustainable i.e. dun expect it to continue forever
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post Oct 31 2013, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 30 2013, 10:15 PM)
Although IGBreit gave 3.43 cents, its EPS is not 3.43 cents.

Realised income from operation is not 3.43 cents.
But 1.49 + 1.45 = 2.94 cents, from the 1st half.

But due to the fact, the manager fee is paid on unit instead of cash, the extra cash enable the reit to give extra until 3.43 cents.

Again for the 3rd Q, its EPS is 1.58 cents, but distributable DPU 1.83 cents, again the extra coming from non-cash manager fee.

So 7 cents may achievable.

But one must take note that the DPU is exceeding its EPS.
EPS should always be used to justify a sustainable payout yield over the long term.
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It means that the manager will get more % holding in the REIT, i.e. dilute other unitholders' shareholding?
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post Nov 20 2013, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 20 2013, 08:22 AM)
My personal thoughts & executed for SG REITs with reinvestment option:
1. IF the price of reinvesment is "NOT of value" (up to U to decide - be it based on net DY%, Price vs NAV, etc.), then no lor
2. IF decision (1) is to reinvest, THEN am i OK with holding Odd Lots?
ie. will i be sitting on this for looooong term, thus odd lots dont bother me?
3. Execute reinvest or get $ smile.gif

Simplistic thinking heheh  sweat.gif
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Odd Lots??? Ok, no DRIP for me shakehead.gif

I've never thought of it before doh.gif

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post Nov 22 2013, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 22 2013, 11:58 AM)
No not the bond.. if bond yield goes up.. then REIT and other divvy counters all come down in price to match the yield... so mah accumulate those lor..  whistling.gif
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this is good only if u hv plenty spare ammo doh.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 22 2013, 12:02 PM)
still holding 70% cash...  tongue.gif
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WTF shocking.gif shakehead.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 22 2013, 12:08 PM)
Pinky do you know how Fund manager how they mange the bond fund and Financial Statment of the Bond fund - do the revalue bond value(follow the market value or purchase value) in the report ?
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Bond holdings are ALL revalued at every reporting date to "fair value", that's where the NAV movements come from.

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post Nov 22 2013, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 22 2013, 01:25 PM)
Hi cherroy;

I thought few year back the Bond yield trade lower in MGS around 3%, but now is 4%.

When MGS move up%; so do new BOND cupon rate. Those OLD bond prior will jv lower pricing to match the new bond.

How come the old bond are hv higher yield ? Furthermore yesterday and today i can see Public Mutual Bond fund NAV drop so much in sudden.

Thank for the advice.
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Felix,

Let me explain using an analogy/example.

1-M FD rate is now 3%.
U ask me to lend RM1,000 to u.
I put in bank FD there is zero risk to me.
So, I put a 4% "margin"/"mark-up", I lend RM1,000 to u at interest rate of 7% p.a.
U write an IOU note to me (that's my "bond")

If tomorrow 1-M FD rate rise to 5%, do u think I'd still want to lend to u at 7% p.a.? Of course not!
But the IOU is already signed, put in writing. U will still pay me coupon/interest of RM70 p.a. on the loan.
Do u think I can sell this 7% IOU note (i.e. transfer this debt) to another person at RM1,000? NO, no idiot would wanna buy it at RM1,000 unless he's an idiot. tongue.gif
Most likely I can only sell this IOU note at RM800++.

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post Nov 22 2013, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 22 2013, 01:31 PM)
what to do? Capital accumulation is faster than i can invest them...  doh.gif
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U should learn to spend some...come find Pinky, Pinky bring u go yumseng hug amoi brows.gif
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 22 2013, 01:38 PM)
that i understand..let me requote cherroy(Forgive me  notworthy.gif ) said..

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How come got such Old bond with higher yield that current new bond.
Then maybe i interpret wrong...the BOLD ONE.
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Both u and cherroy also not very clear rclxub.gif

Ok, let's put in one at a time - bonds have a few crucial elements in determining its pricing:
(1) maturity
(2) credit rating of the issuer
(3) current risk-free interest rate

Let me TRY to understand cherroy...

Let's say previously MGS rate 3%
ABC Berhad issue bond with coupon of 8%
It will be in demand (assuming credit rating of ABC Berhad is decent)
Thus, it will get premium pricing, thus the YIELD won't be high.
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post Nov 22 2013, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 22 2013, 01:39 PM)
Beijing CLUB @NSK ?
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I dunno that hmm.gif

But that day my friends bring me to Mus*c C*ty brows.gif
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post Nov 22 2013, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 22 2013, 01:44 PM)
thanks ...do you any webside to see how the BOND revalue?
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If I'm not mistaken, MOST local corporate bonds are not quoted on an exchange. hmm.gif

They will use some accounting formulas to calculate the fair values.

This...I slept in my finance paper lectures tongue.gif
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post Nov 22 2013, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 22 2013, 01:50 PM)
Nah maths for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_valuation

You can use present value calc...

user posted image

where:

    F = face values
    iF = contractual interest rate
    C = F * iF = coupon payment (periodic interest payment)
    N = number of payments
    i = market interest rate, or required yield, or observed / appropriate yield to maturity (see below)
    M = value at maturity, usually equals face value
    P = market price of bond.
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Dayum u gark...remind me of my nightmare years ago cry.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 22 2013, 01:49 PM)
Pinky - alcohol affects estrogen & testosterone levels neh. In addition, alcohol encourages calories to be stored as energy (ie. fat).
Will impact your goal to acquire muscle mass / ripped physique tongue.gif

Hug amoi drool.gif  encourages testosterone levels though not as much as destroyed by alcohol.
Logical conclusion: Just go for the amoi  laugh.gif

Sorry mods  notworthy.gif
okok back to REITs..
Thank gawd i switched ALL my REIT funds to CIMB Principal Global Titans Fund (developed market)
+ chopped any REITs getting me below 7%pa net DY and moved to ETFs (SGX + OZ)... for me, "blind luck beats skill" this round.
Was doing a total portfolio rebalancing based on my new CWA planner's advise  sweat.gif <thanks Gina notworthy.gif >
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Drinking is just part of the process of fishing for amoi...now amoi on hand, I reduced the drinking, sleeping every nite with amoi flex.gif

Ok, back to topic laugh.gif

I still have 45% of my UT portfolio in bond funds...izit too late to switch? The 2 bond funds are delivering sub-FD and zero annualised returns respectively now. sad.gif
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post Nov 22 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 22 2013, 02:08 PM)
Pinky Macho,

keep us update....what u decide of UT porfolio bond fund...
cool2.gif not the sleeping ah moi......when got jackpot..We wish you happy Father Day. shocking.gif
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u got AmDynamic Bond?

gark, any actions? Its been going on a downward spiral lately... cry.gif

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