i have just changed two new front tyre in mid Apr and have now run about 7000km, buy the tyre already botak!
i just noticed that becasue that day it was really slippery.
Any sifu can advise why they are so fast worn out? I did not have this problem earlier.
I asked around, some said the tyre too new (they are 0813) and some said is car suspension or alignment issue.
but i tot alignement will only caused tyre to worn out at one side? my tyres are like worn out entirely.
I changed the break disc and break pads and the tyres at the same time during Apr. Could that caused the problem? I also changed the suspension 2 weeks before changing the tyres.
need help. thx.

What car ?

What tyre ?

What size ?

Driving style ?

Waja and Good year. i think is 15in. normal driving style only. just drive to work and go home. no long distance. average daily ~50km.
thx

There is definitely something wrong.

Is the tyre inflation correct ?

Car alignment and camber settings ?

Even with my hard style of driving, my tires can last on average 20, 000 km.

Mind you, that is quite bad already .

Applies to both my 18 inch tires on inspira and 17 inch on my 320i.

Tayar tiruan or tayar korek..wont last..

inflation is the usual around ~31 pound. not yet check the alignment and camber but will it cause the tyres botak entirely? i tot it will only make it worn out at one side?
really dont know what is happening.

they should be tulin ones. but slightly new 0813.

Inflation sounds about right.

You sure you got new tires and not some second hand refurbished ones ?

What kind of tires are you using ?

Should be those normal eco ones right ?

7000 is a bit much.

Even going ulu yam every other weekend, couldnt kill my tires as fast as yours

they are Good Years. Should be new ones as they dont look like refurbish ones.
Also the shop is a franchise shop tayar shop. Should be ok gua?

Good year is just a brand.

Whats the model and the exact size ?

15 / 185 / 60 ?

These information should be on the tire itself.

Whats your definition of botak ? totally no thread ?

at 7000 ?

Did you lend your car to a friend to do donuts ?

>.<

only i am driving the car.
not sure about the types but is the normal waja 15in type.
not totally no thread but almost. when you see it, you will say "you need to fast fast change tyres liao" that kind of worn out.

Sorry but what's tayar korek..?

They get worn out tires and carve grooves on them..?

Suggest that u go back to the shop for an inspection.

Tyres normally have a 3-yr warranty. If its bald within 4-mths of 7,000 km, something is either seriously wrong with your car or tyre.

When u mean bald, pls clarify. Bald on left side, right side or centre.

they both bold across left right and center, although outer edge slightly more bold.

Sounds like someone swap tires with him. ROFL.

You using stock waja rims ?

IMHO,

i think is nothing to do with your rims or car..

manufacturer defect.. every tyre company sure will have some defects on certain batches.

try to claim back with warranty.

not original rim. changed rim before. but the back two tyres are ok
by the way, i remember the current back tyres were from the front before i moved them to the back. they have been at the front for about 3 months and now they are at the back. looks ok.

If its across the whole type, it is most likely a manufacturing defect.

Hope u kept your receipt. Claim for Warranty for new tyres

i tot so. However when i go to ask opinion from other shop, some said not due to tyre but due to car. that is why i am confused.

some shop said so.. to prevent you from claiming from them.. as it will affect their revenue, business and image... put the blame on the car.. pfft yea right..

as a consumer, you have to stand firm on your grounds.. dont let this tyre shop ppl influence you too much.. believe only 20% of what they say.

just claim back from goodyear... shoot a letter to them..

i am going back to the tyre shop this saturday to let them check. See what they say. Hopefully can replace new tyres for me for free. But I am not sure i want Good year any more...

you can never go wrong with michelin.. yokos are good too.. cheaper alternative you can opt for neuton (subsidiary of yoko) made in indo.


for me either go for michelin or yoko.. dont bother looking at others.

i am thinking of michelin. but if they really replace the tyres for me for free, i guess they will only give me good year. maybe i can top up a little money and change to michelin...

Bro, what's your tyre size. You said u drive Waja Right using 15'.

If its old Waja - the Cam TAK Pro - its 195 /55 / 15

Its its Waja CPS - its 195/60/15

If u are using 195/55/15 if u have cash to spare, why not take Michelin Pilot Sport 3 (PS3). This is considered as Performance Tyre. Else, u can consider Yokohama C Drive 2 (CD2). Good mix of Performance and Comfort.

If u still want Goodyear take the Goodyear Directional 5 (GD5), peformance tyre.

Other Brands taht u can consider - Hankook, V12, performabnce tyre that does not cost a bomb.


If u use 195/60/15 less choices of Performance based tyre. PS3 is not available in this size but u can still find CD2.

i think they are 195 /55 / 15.
sorry i know very little about tyres. What is the difference between performance tyre and normal ones?

Performance tyres = good for cornering, driving fast, etc but not so comfortable and don't last too long

Normal Tyres / Comfort Tyres = Comfortable but not good for cornering, driving fast, etc

For a quick preview, click below

https://www.google.com/search?q=tyre+peform...tml%3B864%3B618



This post has been edited by cfa28: Sep 11 2013, 05:51 PM

you can look at your tyre and the size is printed on it. Also the model is normally printed on it. Goodyear NCT5?? Goodyear GT3?? Goodyear Efficient Grip? Goodyear Assurance? Goodyear something?

too new tyre will cause tyre botak??? what kind of statement is that.
I think if alignment is too out, can cause the whole surface botak too. for example if your toe is very in like this /--\
Since you said you changed tyre (change 4 tyre?) and the back tyre are ok, then, sounds more like alignment problem to me??

This post has been edited by efaceninja: Sep 11 2013, 08:50 PM

bro, go your trusted workshop/alignment shop and check the alignment. maybe toe out already.

toe out can makan quite lot of thread. btw, take a photo of the thread and let us see, maybe some sifu can judge

This post has been edited by AlexLee277: Sep 12 2013, 06:04 AM

they are Good Year NCT5. I am not sure now. tyre defects or alignment...

here is one of the tyres


Attached thumbnail(s)

Bro, your tyres really look like you do 'drifting' on Sepang Circuit. It looks totally worn out, like how my tyres looked like after I did like almost > 60K km. Its totally worn out like u said.

You're sure the manufacture date is 08/13?

If your shop refuse to honour warranty, consider going direct to Goodyear but do make sure that your alignment, suspension is also ok cos that's how these company try to find fault.


Bro, I also used NCT5 before, there were good to me for 60K km / 3-years. After that, it looked exactly like yours.



This post has been edited by cfa28: Sep 12 2013, 09:59 AM

exactly, when i go for some shops and ask for opinion and they heard me say only run 7000km, they are all like "what the...".

one of the them is 0813, the other one is 0913.

my two tyres at the back are also NCT5. They were used at the front for 3 months plus before shifted to the back. and they are ok.

from my view , tire pressure low
cos tire wear on both shoulder

dont be so naive to claim back tire shop ,
u take a botak tire and claim new tire , what kind of business is this?

btw , izzit possible u ald swap ur new tire to the rear?

i pump gas to the tyres every month about 32psi.

i changed the front tyres on Apr 2013. they are 0813 and 0913.
the back tyres are 2612. no way the back tyres are the ones i changed on Apr 2013.

i have been driving the waja for ten years and i know how long my tyres should last. i never have this issue out of these 10 years.

2 of my colleagues told me they have the similiar issue with GY although not as bad as mine. i should take thier advice.

i do not put much hope to get refund. just wanted to consult more experience guys whether have similar issue before.

This post has been edited by chubbyken: Sep 12 2013, 04:51 PM

at first look, i also think is tire pressure too low. cause yes tyre wear on both shoulder.

I was going to say you never pump tyre maybe. but since you said you pump gas every month, then i suspect maybe your front tyres has unusual high rate of air leakage?? So maybe the valve got damage, or not properly installed, or something wrong that's cause high air leakage.

Maybe during tyre change, the shop did something improper, resulted in air loss very fast. OR, the tyre got defect, which resulted in air loss very fast.

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This post has been edited by wwwcomment: Sep 12 2013, 10:00 PM

Do share what the tyre shop have to say after you showed them:)

will do that. thx guys for all the opinion.

by the way, GY just called me, they asked me to go to shah alam to let them check the tyres. but i no free laa. and tomolo i am going to tyre shop shop and change them already.

if GY offers to check the tyres... ask them to send people to you.

Bro, if GY already call u, give them a chance lah. Make some time.

Even if u change the tyres already, keep the old tyres and show it to GY. Maybe they can still give u some vouchers that u can resell.

i went to GY just now. The guy used some gauge to check and said material ok.
then lift up the car, see the tyres, although lef right center all worn out, but can see there are sharp edges on tyres (sorry dont know how to describe).
so he said the tyres seem more like sliding then rolling, so is kind of alignemnt issue.


thank you guys for all your sharing.

So you rest your case?

The last time my Continental CC1 develops a bulge on the sidewall, it was replaced by Continental as a goodwill after some negotiation. It is definitely hard to prove whether it is manufacturing defects or my mistake but as far as I recalled, there's no sign of damage/scratches related to the bulge on tyre and rim.

Got sharp edges on the tread? as in like in the image?

Then should be toe-in or toe-out problem, which maybe is the tyreshop's problem as they didn't do proper alignment for you. If its really their fault, then the tyreshop should replace tyre for you.. not GY.

Here's some more picture illustrating toe, chamber, caster to better equip you with knowledge on alignment issue to argue with tyreshop if you want.. lol.

Ya, I am going to the workshop tomorrow. See whether I can get something.

Yes it is like what you show in your picture. That guy said it is toe in toe out problem.
Thanks for all the info. You really is an expert.

toe problem can cause tyres to wear that fast meh? 7000km is too extreme even for extreme toe angle and the car must have been shit to drive in those condition.

anyway, new types always at the rear please. dun go slapping new on the front.

are you sure??? i always heard ppl say good/new tyre should be put on front.

they are wrong. period. even tyreman make the same mistake

the short answer is that basically you want more grip at the rear, especially when it rains. for FWD, lifting off result in oversteer, and imagine your rear breaking loose.

This post has been edited by Karenalvin: Sep 14 2013, 09:49 PM

oh yes my bad. Good/new tyre at rear is easier for car to self align back to straight in the event of loss control, and less likely to over steer..

New tyre should put at rear.

This post has been edited by efaceninja: Sep 14 2013, 09:07 PM

I have changed the front tyres . And now the steerling shake like crazy when speed reach higher than 80km per hour. Is this balancing problem?
I need to go to the shop agajn tomolo to complain.. I guess this is the last time I deal with ths shop.

This post has been edited by chubbyken: Sep 14 2013, 11:34 PM

shake did you mean the steering shake left right let right very fast? or the steering vibrate ..? ermm sorry i dunno how to describe lols . but i think should be more to vibrate, which is likely balancing problem. did you go back to da shop? how does it goes?

Is kind of like shake left and right. I went back the shop and they redo balancing, camber, and alignment.
Now not that shake but I notice the shake is most seriuos when speed around 90km/h, when speed reach 100km/h, it seem less seriuos.

My advice is to go to a different tyre shop. This tyre shop is obviously not giving a crap about your car or you.

I have the same feeling. I choose this shop because it opens on sunday and I sometimes only free on sunday. I guess I have to look for another shop.
I also learned that the mechanics there have target to meet. They have to push customers to purchase or change spare parts. Mean their job is not only fix your car but also make sure you buy or change spare parts with them. So I believe they will push customers to change spare parts like suspension, rims, tyres, brake, even though the parts still can use so that they can meet target.
I wonder are all shops like this? Or only this shop?

for my personal experience, i've went to 2 different tyre shop before, both also push me want to change this change that . the first time i still noob, i changed "adjustable chamber nut" 2 piece for RM 160 . to me i felt kena con. They'll always always try to squeeze more from my wallet..

here's the thing though, the reason for new tires in front is so that it can wear on the front, and then when you rotate it, the new tires will be in the rear.
if you put new tires in the rear, then you rotate it, you'll have an even worse condition tire at the rear.

granted, you can go with NEVER rotating the front to back and vice versa, then once front is completely worn, put the current rear to front, then new pair on rear. that works if you are unable to do 4 piece rotation and changing all 4 pieces at once.
do note that the best recommendation/practice is still performing PROPER 4 pieces (or even 5 if you wanna include the spare) of tires and then once ALL 4 worn, change ALL 4 pieces.

in the end, it is best that you know the reason for why things are done as such, and decide yourself

the thing is, one should be more diligent in rotation. to keep it simple, lets assume the most straight forward front-rear switch

say a set of tyres last for 30,000km, and assume a rotation schedule of 10,000km

the first rotation will switch the more worn to the rear, by the next 10,000 all four should technically worn the same and so you dun rotate. and you go on till the next rotation and it will be time to change all four tyres anyway.

even if one decides to rotate sooner, say at 8000km.

the second rotation comes at 24,000km which will bring the worn tyres to the back and the relatively newer to the front. then press on to 30,000km and all four would again be at the same wear rate and there is no need to put two new tyres at the front.

my point is, one can and should decide to follow a laid out plan for tyre rotation if he or she is really out to maximize the life of the tyres.

people who generally change two tyres and slap them to the front are generally just being negligent about their tyres and wait till the differences become too big to actually rotate properly.

i admit i am simplifying the matter here

correct, and if this is done properly, the topic of "front or rear" should never even exist and it's a straight rotate until 4 tires are worn down and change all 4

yup... dun go all miser and lazy on tyres. they are the most important part of your car.

how much it costs normally to rotate the tyres and re-do balancing and alignment?

If toe angle out ald tire should worn 1side but not like the photo u share to us , both shoulder worn out

i rotate+balancing+alignment every 10k km. normally it cost me around rm 45 to 60. depending on shop

In my case it was the worn absorber. Changed it and everything is fine. If ur car is around 80k to 100k KM then just change the absorbers. U will be surprised by the improvement.