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hondaracer
post Sep 14 2013, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Sep 10 2013, 11:34 PM)
As mentioned, I'm Gen Y and co-founder of PTLM and blogger at Patchay.Com. About 150+ property threads here are started by me. LOL

First off, I'm an employee in accounting line. Not a realty agent as many would have thought so.

In accounting line rat race, you are rather more passive and conservative in investments. But not me, as I've used some savings to buy properties using the incentives that are available. Currently having two that are under construction. The first bought towards the end of my 2nd year at work which is 2011. Both in PJ.

Not a flipper but an investor that believes property investment is part of financial planning that can supplement the employee income. Yea, buy properties that are rentable and that you think > your instalment. Do not over leverage.

Please live a wonderful life and do not put all money in investments. Have a life too! And yea, I'm single and available...  biggrin.gif
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Where is ur property? How much? When purchase?
hondaracer
post Nov 6 2013, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Nov 5 2013, 02:27 AM)
Now that the Budget 2014 is over, will Gen Y go out to get a home to stay or they will stay out of property for the next year?

Well, if you need to stay, by no mean, get your reasoanably priced home.
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Gen Y will be out buying properties targeted to them..... Construction companies will have a challenge to sell previous launches as market softened now with Gen Y having more choices..... So investors hoping to rent to them will need to think twice😳😳😳

Companies will be switching their new launches😎😎😎😎


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post Nov 10 2013, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(fruitie @ Nov 10 2013, 02:19 AM)
Gen-Y here, no commitment but bad in financial management. laugh.gif I wonder where has my money gone to every month, only can save around 30-35% of my salary. tongue.gif In the end, decided to get a car first since it is a cheaper asset (or liability?). Bought one in July with monthly installment - RM 580, cheap cheap only. laugh.gif It is not a fancy car (Saga FLX lol) but at least it is quite decent in helping me to move from one place to another.

Still saving myself as my FAMA is tight themselves, both retirees and waiting for my siblings and I to feed them with monthly allowances. No partner to share my burden. laugh.gif

However, God is treating me really well when I'm so desperate, Company is sending me off for a short assignment in overseas and that could earn me around RM 30k for 2 months (allowances+salary). Though I'll need to endure the coldness (winter) but for my first prop, I will do it! laugh.gif

I'll be going in 10 days time and come back in time for CNY, so I shall start looking for a prop after that. Hopefully I could find one. Unfortunately, I can only look for new props because they always give attractive waivers and lower booking fees. laugh.gif At least, I will have time to accumulate more money when the real time comes, for reno and furniture and other expenditures. Fortunately for me, my bro-in-law is an interior designer and makes furniture himself for his clients. So, I think my sister and he will give me some sponsors in this part. I'm sure he can make me some good looking furniture from his saki-baki materials. laugh.gif brows.gif

My main issue was the downpayment but I think this should be solved soon with the help of my assignment. Installment is not that bad for me, I think I still can manage from my monthly salary. Just need to cut down on my casual expenses.

So here it goes, I should own my first prop next year. Not for investment, I need a place to stay and don't wish to rent a small little room anymore... sweat.gif I can even accept a studio unit now, apparently wanted a 2-room apartment but I think I was being a bit unrealistic when the props prices are so high in Klang Valley. sweat.gif
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post Dec 15 2013, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Dec 14 2013, 02:19 PM)
Totally agree. Pocket kosong most of them. That is why Gen Y girls like to involve themselves with Gen X men like me. I ask them, " i'm old man already married, got son somemore, why you like to be with me?". She said " Budak- budak muda banyak yg poket kosong".
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post Jan 1 2014, 10:40 AM

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I just got to know a Gen Y, he got 3 properties: Empire Damansara, USJ house and Riana Green condo. But has sold Riana Green, all with loan and DIBS for Empire. Renting out both USJ house and Empire but staying in Riana.

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He recently sold his Riana Green condo to re-load bulletin for Elmina.

Fully loaded with debt up to his eye-ball, but working for property developer. Guess many people related to property market are heavily invested including lawyers and bankers.

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post Jan 1 2014, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 1 2014, 06:00 PM)
Early 80's consider Gen-Y or not? I have been hocking on prop websites and forums for the last 8 years, countless site visit and showroom visit (tipu makan a lot of free buffet during new launches.. lol) sibeh kanjiong and cikek especially last 3 years..

Time to take a step back ...  done my last purchase, wont be touching anymore for the next 3 years and leave those affordable ones for new buyers.. smile.gif
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post Jan 19 2014, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jan 1 2014, 11:32 PM)
Duwan to mention here but u can check my earlier posts
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post Jan 19 2014, 11:11 AM

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Article in STAR today 19 Jan 2014
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Property's Hazy Outlook

18 Jan 2014

Last weekend, about 1,600 participants attended a property seminar called Property Outlook Conference 2014 in Kuala Lumpur.

Organised by an event organiser, speakers comprised property consultants, developers and property gurus. Participants comprised largely investors and investor-wannabes, property professionals from companies and real estate agencies, a sprinkling of analysts and the media.

One of the speakers says it was one of the largest groups he has ever spoken to when it comes to a local property seminar. Usually, the turnout hovers between 600 and 800, he says.

An executive director of an international property consultancy who was there says he felt as though he was attending "a multi-level marketing seminar."

The fact that an event manager organised the seminar single-handedly, albeit with developers as sponsors, underscores the leverage offered by the property sector.

Secondly, the turnout underscores the investing public's hunger for information, says two property professionals. Early bird registrants paid RM200 per pax, a couple paid RM499 while latecomers paid between RM800 and RM1,000 per pax. They were "hungry" because since the introduction of the cooling measures in October, coupled with the various price increase involving toll charges, petrol, electricity tariffs, cut in sugar subsidy, the sector has become rather opaque.



Says Malaysia Institute of Estate Agents (MIEA) president Siva Shanker: "Both developers and investors did not know what hit them post-Budget 2014. The last three months of 2013 were bad. The sector went into a tailspin."

Siva says in the last four years, prices in some areas went up 30% to 35% in the span of a year - an unhealthy situation because the fundamentals were not there. On a national basis, the issue of house prices is not an issue, it is only in certain areas that prices have gone up multiple times in relation to annual household incomes, he says. He likens the property market before the budget to a car about to crash as it careens downhill, if the cooling measures were not introduced.

"If the car does not slow down, it will crash," he says.

Siva says of all the sub-segments in the property sector, he is most concerned about the residential sub-segment, the main driver of the sector.

Siva says there is a huge oversupply in Kuala Lumpur, Penang and Iskandar Malaysia in Johor, including serviced apartments which are developed under commercial status.

The 2013/14 slowdown

Siva says not many may have realised it, but the property sector slowed down in 2013. "We think 2014 will see a slowdown of the sector, but that actually started in 2013.

"Sales are expected to be slow for the first two quarters. We expect to see sales going up in the second half of this year and find its own level, barring external factors. Sales will not be great, but it will not be as bad as first two quarters of this year," says Siva.

"The goods and service tax (GST) due in April 2015 will create another bout of uncertain. Although most of the countries in the region - with the exception of Brunei and Malaysia - have some form of GST or value added tax (VAT), we have yet to experience its effect. We expect some knee-jerk reaction which will result in a price increase but it is 2016 that I expect prices to climb," he says.

But before 2016, there is 2014 to deal with.

"2014 will be Iskandar Malaysia's tipping point. (But) there is also a huge oversupply in Penang and the Klang Valley, especially high-rise projects, be there condominiums or serviced apartments," he says.

Stocker Roberts & Gupta Sdn Bhd valuer Das Gupta who runs a firm about 10 minutes walk from the Petronas Twin Towers says the slowdown actually started in 2012.



"Many missed the signals," he says. "Land and property prices around here (Kuala Lumpur City Centre) have been stagnating since 2012.

"That was a slow year. High-end properties around the KLCC and in Mont' Kiara stopped moving forward the past one year in terms of both capital appreciation and rental.

"In some cases, rental and prices have dropped a notch or two," he says.

How does one account then for the sale of a parcel of land sandwiched between Wisma Central and a Chinese temple fronting Jalan Ampang sold to Singapore-listed developer Oxley Holdings Ltd by Loke Wan Yat estate?

The 1.25 hecatres (3.1 acres) parcel was sold in December for a record RM3,300 per sq ft or RM446.7mil.

"That was an exceptional parcel because of its location and size. It is not the market norm and should not be used as a measure of overall property sector performance," he says. Das says while land deals belong to the big boys' arena, it is the ordinary people that he is most concerned about. "Nothing hits the rich," he says.

Das says suburban vacant land with demand potential have become exorbitantly high. Some of these owners are second or third generation owners. They have no liabilities on these real estate. "Developers have to price their end products very high in order to justify paying such high prices. (So) they rather walk away."

The retail story

Royal Institution of Surveyors Malaysia (RISM) vice president Adzman Shah Mohd Ariffin says the market is evolving. "There are a number of developments in the United States and in Asia. All these events will impact Malaysia."

Adzman highlighted Indonesia's rupiah weakening last year and Thailand political demonstrations, now in its second month.

Adzman says the weak rupiah may attract companies to invest there. That will impact Malaysia.

"We seem stable when compared to our neighbours but we have our own issues to settle," he says.

Adzman, who runs a property and retail consultancy Exastrata Solutions Sdn Bhd says businesses are recalculating their margins with the various price increases involving electricity tariffs, sugar, possibly toll rates and petrol prices.

He draws attention to the recent inflation figures by Standard Chartered Bank South-East Asia regional head of research Edward Lee. Lee says Malaysia's inflation rate is expected to increase to 3.4% for the first nine months this year from 2.1% in the same period last year. The jump reflects one of the biggest in Asia; it is also the fastest acceleration in almost two years.

Adzman is helping three malls with retail tenancy. Two of them are new while the third is an existing mall.

"Retailers today are cautious about location, their catchment areas and overall expansion. They have been cautious since the middle of last year. There is a lot of focus now on tourism to help bring in revenue but this is limited to cities and tourist areas. Suburban malls are dependent on their respective catchment areas," he says.

"Most businesses are waiting for first half year figures. This will be a good indication (where we are heading)," he says.

Adzman says retailers are feeling the heat because consumers are not buying.

"Retailers are clearing stock by cutting prices to ensure they are not stuck with old stocks when the market slows. They release space for new stocks in order to create demand," says Adzman.

The raise in toll, petrol and parking charges may result in people heading to the mall closest to them instead of heading downtown which means downtown malls will be tourist-dependent, he says.

Retail Group Malaysia MD Tan Hai Hsin in a January 2014 report based on interviews with members of the Malaysia Retailers Association says the industy reported a sluggish third quarter for 2013. The July-September quarter grew 3.1% compared with 4.6% in the preceding quarter, and 4.8% for the same period in the preceding year.

Ramadan and Hari Raya, which fell on the third quarter of 2013, failed to lift overall retail sales, he says. This confirms Adzman's views that on the Malaysia retail industry has been slow since the middle of last year.

In many ways, the retail sector and private consumption are good indicators for the overall economy.

The consumer sentiment index, according to Tan, dropped from 122.9 in the first quarter of 2013, to 109.7 (Q2) and 102.0 (Q3). The next batch of numbers to look out for will be National Property Information Centre (Napic) figures on transaction volume and transaction value.

This is expected to be released in March/April.

The jump in property prices at 30% to 35% a year in some areas since 2010 has changed the sector's profile and has resulted in an equally stratospheric jump in interest among investors, with 20-somethings piling in.

In many ways, this is reminiscient of the 1990s stock market super bull run when college students and 20-somethings diligently applied for initial public offerings with the hope of a gain. They trotted a similar path in the recent bout of interest in the property sector.

Siva says "these young people are shielded from the international highs and lows of the global economy, and the national ups and downs, and whose trickle down effect is yet to be felt."

"The introduction of developers interest bearing scheme (DIBS) enabled many to buy properties they cannot afford and don't need. The question is: Will they be able to get tenants? If not, will they be able to pay the mortgage when payment kicks in?"

The introduction of cooling measures may also result in a shift in interest from the primary back to secondary market when buyers turn to sub-sales instead of buying directly from the developers. In an earlier report by Elvin Fernandez, managing director of Khong & Jaafar group of companies, he said in 2009 and 2010, primary transactions comprised about 12% and secondary market transactions about 87% of total residential transactions of 211,600 in 2009 and 226,874 (2010) respectively.

In 2011 and 2012, primary transactions went up to about a fifth of the total number of residential transactions whereas the secondary market accounted about 79% (or 214,044) and 77% (212,428) respectively. There was a drop in secondary market sales from 214,044 in 2011 to 212,428 in 2012.

Says Elvin: "This means there was a run-up in the primary sector of the market by about 35,000 units a year or close to 3,000 units a month.

The question today is, where will these group of ?speculators' turn to in their search for alternative investments?"

With fixed interest rates at about 3% per annum and volatility in the share market, will interest in the property market return to the secondary market? Will all the euphoria of the last several years mark a return to the days before 2009 when property investments were dull and boring? This lack of clarity is the reason why property seminars attract a full house.



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How will property fare in 2014?


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post Jan 19 2014, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 19 2014, 03:16 PM)
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post Jan 20 2014, 11:12 PM

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Any gen Y planning to buy in 2014??
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Any gen Y planning to buy in 2014??
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QUOTE(junfu1988 @ Jan 23 2014, 01:21 AM)
im gen y...still looking to get 1st prop by 2014...any recommendation?
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Buy within ur income, do not overcommit, landed will be places like denai alam, alam impian, setia alam that are affordable to white collar people.

 

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