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petlu28
post Sep 11 2013, 12:47 AM

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Yes but a lot owner still using until end. I suggest change it after using 8 years.

QUOTE(brutalsoul @ Sep 11 2013, 12:40 AM)
most of the new instant water heather is equip with ELCB
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petlu28
post Sep 11 2013, 01:38 PM

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May i know how to check earth wire working?

QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 11 2013, 01:05 PM)
Storage tank have earth wires.

The key is to have your house earth wire working. Without Earth is without protection.
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post Sep 11 2013, 01:50 PM

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I seen all instant water heater has change to gray rubber piping instead of aluminium.

QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 11 2013, 01:34 PM)
There is a dangerous your elcb won't trip if you earth your piping. Piping is consider a conductor to earth. Cause piping is run to ground too.

If the current travel to pipe instead to elcb, your elcb won't detect current fault.
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post Sep 11 2013, 01:51 PM

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How about storage tank?

QUOTE(wdarke @ Sep 11 2013, 01:50 PM)
Press ELCB button. If it trips, it's working.
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post Sep 11 2013, 08:06 PM

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Good idea turning back can save earth too.

QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 11 2013, 04:27 PM)
No need to pampered, no astro, no internet, no smart phone, no need electicity.. Last time without all these also can survived...

All there are Standard of living..don't have won't die ma... So go without it lo
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petlu28
post Sep 12 2013, 11:14 AM

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do you think what the main problem? hmm.gif hmm.gif

QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 12 2013, 11:04 AM)
You guys are far from topic. Go back to your post. tongue.gif

Anyway, I understand abit why the couple get electrucute and the elcb don't trip. Don't think got earth wire problem with their heater.
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petlu28
post Sep 13 2013, 11:21 AM

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I think if the installer install properly won't happen like this. BTW your kid drawing very nice.


QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 13 2013, 11:15 AM)
From my bullshit analyses, the earth wire should have connection.  tongue.gif

1) All the heater have a earth fault light that tell you earth wire connection is ok or not. So I guess the earth wire is not a problem.

2) There is 2 device to protect from the DB and the heater itself. Is it that consequences, 2 device spoil
at the same time? This is not Final Destination movie.  sweat.gif  It should be either 1 will do the job to trip. But why both don't trip ?

So it is probably the current didn't go through the E wire when the heater is leaking. Both device didn't sense the current from the E wire. That is why it didn't trip.

The ELCB is an outdate device. It will only trip when sense current on the E wire. So what about in this scenario

1) When the current leak to your body than to ground? It is not leaking to E wire? This is probably what happen to the japanese couple.

2) When the E wire broken or disconnect?

3) When secondary ground in the same place? Example a pipe is connect with the E wire. Pipe also run into ground and become earth rod. If current go through the pipe to the ground, ELCB won't be able to sense it.

Our home now should be using RCD/RCCB instead of ELCB. If any of your home still using ELCB, better change to RCD/RCCB. In additional, you can install another 1 near your heater. Don't trust your heater ELCB. It make of electronic which is not reliable when age.

Apologize for my kid drawing. sad.gif
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post Sep 13 2013, 01:51 PM

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use storage can install this unit too?

QUOTE(ozak @ Sep 13 2013, 01:05 PM)
The RCD/RCCB should be able to protect this kind of problem. Incase E wire doesn't do the job. All the house now should using RCD/RCCB. Try check your DB box that you always call ELCB.

I m using istant water heater. And I knew I cannot rely on the heater elcb. That left my house just 1 device to protect from the DB box. So I install another RCD in the bathroom ontop the heater.

Here is the RCD device that I install ontop the heater inside the bathroom. It exactly for prevent electrocution and suitable for bathroom which wet enviroment. Can be use for anything.
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post Sep 13 2013, 08:23 PM

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You have do best way. I also suggest don't use till end the instant water heater.


QUOTE(weikee @ Sep 13 2013, 05:32 PM)
Manufacture will produce product with minimal basic security, any add on will required more $$$ and transfer the cost to consumer. Even with state of the art technology, no one can prevent accident.

I do agree the manufacture need to look into another design. But if I recall, my mom house water heater can't be switch on if the earth are faulty and this are basic things. I remember this when I wire the water heater and forgot to wire the earth.

Since I am going to change the heater soon (after 5 years), i shall do another test again.

BTW, I change instant water heater every 5 - 6 years. That another preventive maintenance I do.
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post Sep 17 2013, 09:17 AM

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Not all can afford using tank water heater.


QUOTE(hackwire @ Sep 16 2013, 11:30 PM)
The best solution for now is not to buy any wall type water heater but invest at least in a water heater tank type. That itself reduce the possiblities of electrocution. Whether its malaysia made or not, its still a phobia whenever u pick up the shower handles. just tell me how many of you are now thinking of that japanese guy when you are showering now? I bet, you must b thinking, when will it happen to me next? shocking.gif
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post Sep 18 2013, 11:26 AM

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so what your advise can give?

QUOTE(stevie8 @ Sep 18 2013, 10:53 AM)
Storage tank can explode!!!
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post Sep 18 2013, 12:23 PM

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can suggest which one suitable for storage?

QUOTE(stevie8 @ Sep 18 2013, 12:08 PM)
This will look neat. Come with fuse as RCD will not trip when there is a overload of current. The fuse is a overload safety point.
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You can use this as a switch. Press the reset (on) as you go into the bathroom taking shower. Out of bathroom finished showering press the test button(off). In a way you are testing it every time you come out of your shower, and will never forget to test.
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post Sep 18 2013, 01:35 PM

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Thanks your advise. That means each time when go bathroom press it before take bath right?

QUOTE(stevie8 @ Sep 18 2013, 12:58 PM)
The wall mounting type. Not the adapter type. But more importantly test the safety valves regularly.
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post Sep 18 2013, 01:58 PM

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I found out this don't know suitable or not. But price not cheap.

http://my.element14.com/timeguard/tfp10wl/...hite/dp/1642925

QUOTE(setheo @ Sep 18 2013, 01:44 PM)
Where can we get this?
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post Sep 18 2013, 02:08 PM

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try find another company. If you get share here.


QUOTE(setheo @ Sep 18 2013, 02:02 PM)
woaahhh .. so pricey..  shocking.gif
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post Sep 18 2013, 05:00 PM

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Go so cheap meh? Please refer this link.

http://my.element14.com/timeguard/tfp10wl/...hite/dp/1642925


QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Sep 18 2013, 04:54 PM)
wow awesome, would be great if someone can let us know where to buy this thing... I will go look around for it next week.

BTW, to those who says I am paranoid... just think, is RM 50 spent on a protection device worth your life?... my humble thoughts.
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post Sep 18 2013, 05:07 PM

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If you find out cheaper than this price pls share here.



QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Sep 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
I saw, RM 225.00

I am going to look around later, see see if can find a cheap, good one... if cannot find then expensive a bit also buy la... at least I dont have to worry about getting electrocuted while taking hot shower liao...

then again the question come, is RM 225 or 500 worth to risk our life? no rite?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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