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Sydneguy
post Sep 18 2013, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 18 2013, 03:48 PM)
Storage tank only "explode"
if
1. Air vent and safety valve or pressure relief valve failed,
2. Heating cut off function fail
3. Users do not turn off the heater for prolonged time, aka steam built up causing rise in pressure.

So a good practice, only turn on when need to use, and switch off after use, is first step eliminate the risk of explosion. As you needs 1,2,3 together to cause an explosion.
RCCB in the DB should able to detect it and trip, as leaking or short circuit will cause an imbalance between live and neutral wire.
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What a load of BS.

In Australia Every home (about 10 million) has a hot water storage heater (gas or electric powered) they are left on all the time 24/7 365 (because they are insulated and super efficient, 2-3 times lower operating cost then Malaysian system of instant water heater).

Out of those 10 million units, how many Exloped during last 10 yrs ZERO!

Safety valves never fail, they are designed to be failsafe, ie if it stops working it will release the pressure.
If heating function never fails to cut off. Again it is design to be failsafe.
It doesn't mater if you don't turn it off, they are designed to be left on continuously. Steam does not buildup casueing rise in pressure.


How do I know this? I am an Engineer and I once worked for a company that manufacturers water heater tanks.
Sydneguy
post Sep 18 2013, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 18 2013, 02:05 PM)
Wow! The paranoia level of this thread has reached new heights.  ohmy.gif
I'm gonna shower in cold water from now on  biggrin.gif
Or just use some common sense
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Yeap 100% agree, I wonder how any of these paranoid people can get out of bed in the morning or step outside their house? maybe they all live in a bubble?

Sydneguy
post Sep 18 2013, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Patagoniaranger @ Sep 10 2013, 02:50 PM)
The present fear of using water heater gave a new thought about the safety feature after the japanese couple were electrocuted. Is the water heater tank above the roof top or the wall mounted type is safe to use? Do they need periodical maintenance or checking by professionals?  Lets dicuss.
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How many people in Malaysia use water heater (instant or tank system)? about 25million!

How many people have died in last 10 yrs from water heater fault? about 4!

Not its not confirmed that the casue of all 4 was faulty water heater, its only suspected.

So your chance of dying from water heater fault ? about 4/25,000,000, or 0.00000016.

TO put that into terms that has some meaning, the average person (assuming they use the heater once per day) would have to live till they were about 17,123 YEARS old before they died from water heater fault!. basically its never going to happen!


STOP BEING PARANOID!
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post Sep 18 2013, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Sep 18 2013, 08:35 PM)
Nothing never failed lor.  They are mostly spring operated. Spring can get stuck, cant they?

Engineer you are sold/convinced by your water heater tanks boss/company the tank are safe. No offence. I like to believe you that will be a big relieve as my solar tank also has relieve valve and I was told to change as it has aged. Why change when it is designed to failsafe? Kindly explain in greater details of course in English not engineering terms.
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You were told to change cause when it is old it will stop holding pressure and start to leak the pressure and water, ie its failing to safe mode.

When something fails it can fail to safe or unsafe state. Pressure Safety Valve are design to be failsafe, ie when they wearout they do by failing to a safe mode. In plain english when the spring fails it will release the pressure not lock the valve closed.

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post Sep 18 2013, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Sep 18 2013, 08:44 PM)
I just googled pressure relief valve failure and this is a site that study, test and analyse PRV failure rate

http://www.exida.com/articles/Mechanical%2...%20Released.pdf

It is too complicated to read but here is a statement,

"In this report we describe the results of a FMEDA analysis of a particular PRV
to determine the useful-life failure rate of the fail-to-open condition. (The fail-toopen condition occurs when a PRV remains closed when test pressures (TP)
reach or exceed 1.5 times the PRV set pressure.) "


So PRV did fail otherwise why got such study?
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In simple terms; that report was a study to evaluate and determine the effectiveness of test methods used by manufactures to ensure that their QA and QC systems are effective to ensure that there are not defective valves getting to customers. IE to make sure the manufactures are only selling valves that are failsafe.
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post Sep 18 2013, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Sep 18 2013, 10:30 PM)
There are many possibility in real world environment that the spring get jammed which the test method did not take into consideration where environment are controlled. The spring can get jammed simply with accumulation of sands (user of sand filter), debris from rusted GI pipe, fittings and tap parts worn out may it be rubber or plastic and deform spring or housing were used that passed QC and when at consumers end mechanical it gets dislocated. The accumulation over time became a lump and jammed the springs and many other possibilities. My argument is man made things will still fail over time unlike nature like the sun will never fail to rise every morning from east or rather the earth will never fail to turn. However, am not saying it has to be 100%, if we can have 99.99% one of 10 thousand then it is considered perfect/pure like pure gold 99.9% one of one thousand.

Leaking is a failsafe acceptable but what you engineers do to make sure it will not get stuck cannot open? How? can explain more, please?
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You wrongly assume the spring is inside the valve and in contact with the water, sand/rust etc, it is actually outside and protected from such contaminants.

they generally look like this http://content.answcdn.com/main/content/im...97800FG0010.gif
Sydneguy
post Sep 19 2013, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Sep 19 2013, 12:09 PM)
Whether the spring is outside of water, overtime water get in to the bad diaphram and leaking valve to the spring compartment. With so much of minerals it can cause the spring to fail. here is the pictures:
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For that much minerals to build up in the spring area, the valve would have been leaking for several months if not several years. Two conclusions can then be given;

1) If the valve was leaking then it would almost be impossible for the tank to suddenly go over pressure.

2) Someone should have noticed the leaking valve and changed it.



 

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