Dear all sifu ,

i am totally new into this, searching some advice about this.

Canon 650D vs Canon 60 D which you all will choose?why ?

looking for second hand unit


thanks in advance 1st

When you can afford 60D, i dont see any reason you should get a entry level 650D. Optionally, if you have enought budget, get the 70D.

thanks for advice ,

actually my budget is rm 2k . looking for second hand unit , wondering which is better ?

60D is more professional than 650D. From what i know, 3 digits models (xxxD) are usually entry level DSLRs while double digits (xxD) are aimed for more advanced users. But 650D has touch screen so it depends on what you are looking. But i am you i will go for 60D. Then put focus on lens rather than body. 60D is very enough to do alot of photographies.

thanks for advice

Both are good, and both has about the same 18mp sensor,60d has better build quality, save ur money on good lens

thanks for advice ,

both also easy to use?

Both are easy to use but 60D is easier to operate. Top LCD panel with information, dedicated buttons for ISO/AF/metering/shutter mode makes changes a lot easier. Bigger grip is more comfortable to hold. Slightly weather sealed. Well actually a lot of these information you can find on the internet

if you stick to Auto, it will be easy to use.

but if you don't plan to learn photography, just want to buy a camera, I suggest you to skip DSLR, go for smaller cameras instead.

I would prefer the 60D, although heavier, but a lot sturdier and solid compared to plasticky 650D.

thanks for advice,

now i start to learning

if budget and weight is not an issue, of course u pick the higher end body (60D)

generally speaking, the better body is more rugged and has more "pro" features (which u mite not use).. of coz there are many exceptions... higher end bodies tend to lack 'user friendly" features such as LCD touch screen, tilty flippy screens, guide mode, presets, built in filters, etc....

since the 650D n 60D is just one "rank" apart, if u have to sacrifice ur lens budget to get the 60D, for Gods' sake please don't because good lens on so-so body beats crappy lens on high end body

Really thanks for ur advice.
Now I was looking for second hand 60d with lens within kg budget rm 2k

You might want to take a look at mirrorless cameras, for example the NEX series cameras from Sony [mirrorless cameras are basically DSLRs without the mirror and therefore they are able to be much smaller]. There are a few models in the range of RM1.6k to RM1.8k. They feature the same optical sensor size as most conventional DSLRs [APS-C size] so the difference in Image Quality difference isn't that much.

Cameras like the NEX series [or any other similar cameras] are smaller, lighter and offers more mobility to the user. It's just like a normal compact sized camera.

But the most important difference between a mirrorless camera and a DSLR is the HANDLING. For a DSLR, I have very fast and easy access to all of my camera functions. A dial for changing the aperture and another dial to change the shutter speed. Dedicated buttons to adjust the ISO, metering, AF mode, shutter mode. There is a top LCD panel to show all of my camera settings so that I do not even have to enter the menu to know what settings I'm shooting at.

But for most of the mirrorless cameras [I dare not say all], they do not have all of these buttons everything you want to adjust you would have to dive into the menu to make adjustments. It's hard to make adjustments quickly on the go.

Another thing to note that, with mirrorless cameras, you do have some lenses to choose from but it really isn't as much as the variety you get with a DSLR. I can buy and use nice lenses from Canon, Sigma, Tamron, Tokina, Samyang, Zeiss and many more. There are a lot of lenses to choose from. With a DSLR, I can also easily mount a external flash or a wireless flash to do a studio setup. Or I can easily mount a microphone to improve audio quality recording tremendously.

But at the end of the day, it all comes back to what you are shooting and how will you be progressing in this hobby. A DSLR is a more superior camera than the conventional mirrorless camera in terms of Image Quality, handling, built quality and versatility but it IS HEAVY and BULKY. It is definitely not everyone's cup of tea, that I can assure you.

Just giving you an alternative before jumping into the DSLR bandwagon. I know of a lot of people who quit using DSLRs because of the weight and bulk but there are a lot who stay put because it's the right camera for them. Different strokes for different folks I guess

My dua cents. Do keep us updated

A quick summary to 650D and 60D. In performance they pretty much identical with same sensor and continuous shooting 5FPS vs 5.3FPS isn't much different. Both have flip screen.

Advantages of 650D:
-Roughly 25% cheaper
-Smaller and lighter
-Touch Screen

Advantages of 60D:
-Better battery life
-Better quality pentaprism viewfinder (Important tool for Photographer)
-Better bigger grip

I have a 650D. There isn't much better features on the 60D so no regrets of using the cheaper 650D. The lens, accessories and other add on tools are far more important in getting better results.

Very well said.

BTW I would also like to ask the TS to share more about your preferred shooting style. Do you like to play around with all the complicated (at start) features and mess with those buttons? Or you prefer paying more attention on enjoying the composition and let the camera handles the rest of the technical setting? For the former, you might want to stick with a conventional DSLR or bring up your budget for higher-end mirrorless (NEX-7, Fuji X-Pro 1, Olympus OM-D EM-5/EM-1 etc). As for the later, NEX will suit you well especially with its badass Superior Auto mode that is just simply awesome.

Also these are just my 2 cents.

At first I also consider about it, but after think n think , I was interested on the lens on the slr, that's y I choose slr

1. 60D has 1/8000 shutter speed, while 650D max out at 1/4000 (not an argument if you're shooting in studio though).
2. 60D has 1/3 stop ISO, 650D doesn't.
3. 60D has Kelvin WB, 650D doesn't.

so to say 'there isn't much better features on the 60D' ......... well, that's totally not true.

plus the mode dial at the back of the 60D helps heaps.

you can adjust movie exposure on the fly with it, does 650D have the function to adjust exposure when recording movie?

let's not forget the top LCD that people mentioned, the ergonomics are totally difference where settings are reached with ease.

in the end you get what you pay for.

Thanks for the clearly explain ,
I know this thread really can help me alotsb, that's y I post here.

Think 90% ppl suggest me get 60d.

I still searching on it. Budget below 2k with lens

From that list only no. 3 made my 650D feel incapable of doing something that 60D can. Never heard of Kelvin WB yet so I read up on it. Especially on Fstoppers (Fstoppers Kelvin WB).

And yes 650D can also adjust exposure when recoding video.

Hi, let me provide some insight as I have 650D while my brother has 60D.

60D
- better made body, heavier
- top LCD display, quicker access
- 1/3 ISO
- manually adjustable WB range
- pentaprism, much brighter
- swivel screen
- slower Live View AF

650D
- lighter, but plasticky
- full stop ISO
- prefix WB
- pentamirror
- touch & swivel screen
- faster Live View AF

If I have the money, get 60D. In terms of photography, both are excellent cameras.

since u have a fixed budget, after u have narrowed the offers u have in hand, perhaps you can come back here to tell us what lens u can get..

as mentioned above.. so so body + good lens sometimes can have better results than high end body + crappy lens..

u don buy a Ferrari to put 14 inch tires on it rite? even in theory the car can still be driven....

I only have max 2 k with lens , now searching 60d with lens is rm2k, after that slow slow update

thanks. cos 550D / 500D I used, i can't do that..... either that or I missed something.

yes, the Kelvin WB is very helpful. Same goes to the 1/3 stop ISO.

1/3 stop ISO very helpful when you're photographing at events or scenes that you need that minor adjustment of sensitivity, because in some cases 1 stop up or down changes the setting too much.

looks like many ppl using 60D here

Those 2 are negligible with magic lantern.
650D can shoot video zoomed in at 1080p.

no reason to bring Magic Lantern in when we're discussing model vs model.

and if anyone need to know more about Magic Lantern, can PM the person who brought it up.

more often than not, it's convenient to bring up Magic Lantern yet not bringing in the risks http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ

from the official site http://www.magiclantern.fm/donate.html

clearly stated on the footer ......



and more http://wiki.magiclantern.fm/faq

That's mainly to protect their own interest.
Using a stable magic lantern release have minimal risk.
It's far safer then jailbreaking a phone and it's free !

That being said, there is still a very small chance of bricking your camera if you don't follow instructions.

Still worth it on a xxxD body though.

I used this Canon 650D, So nice and better result. very zooming and best picture result. So i suggest you this one.

those who say use 650D have nice results la better results la, better put some pics.

but actually la, both cameras are capable. you can't go wrong with either.

This is the reason I opt for the 650D too. Haha. Cause I know the ML release is around the corner very soon.

Totally agree, put some photo here.