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zDarkForceSz
post Sep 5 2013, 08:01 AM

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EU may go done again by looking at the market trend.
Everyone is waiting for the NFP to come out then only trade.

Btw make some profit by longing yesterday with MACD histogram haha.
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post Sep 5 2013, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(kevler @ Sep 5 2013, 07:54 AM)
hurmm..not sure about that ...i just let the news flows and i will keep my money management before i start to trade
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Can remove instaforex ka? That is the worse market maker in the industry.
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post Sep 5 2013, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(kevler @ Sep 5 2013, 08:08 AM)
i'm agree not to disagree :-)

1st week of the month is a hardtime for me as i still wait for next 3 weeks for trade .

anyway i love NFP too ...for trader , it is an `incentives` for all trader whom able to ride the wave ;-)
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I been holding no position from last week till now.
Syria issue crash EU.
First time facing this weird situation, when it should be rebounding but yet keep facing down. rclxub.gif
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post Sep 5 2013, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(kevler @ Sep 5 2013, 08:14 AM)
i'm rather keep on buying EU then ...
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I'll wait for NFP and see the trend. Safest brows.gif
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post Sep 5 2013, 10:39 AM

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*Not tips. Just sharing my thought.
EU might bounce up a bit for trend correction.
To how much can't predict with this market~
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post Sep 5 2013, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(kevler @ Sep 5 2013, 10:50 AM)
i'm thinking to move to fxcm.co.uk

better for me to view my used margin and lot :-)
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QUOTE(sebastian.twz @ Sep 5 2013, 11:23 AM)
just a thought, why is primus not included in the broker/market maker ? I sense quite a few using primus here
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Instaforex is the worst market maker broker.
Plenty of people keep on complaining, they have weird rules too.

Yea, quite a number of people using FxPrimus here.

Me myself using FxPro UK.

But I found a Australia regulated broker "icmarkets".
I think should be good too. Segregated account, AA credit rated Westpac/NAB.
ECN broker.
Same software with my FxPro.
Commission much lower than my FxPro.
When High Volatility with -0.3spread for EU. (During Euro&US market)

QUOTE(sebastian.twz @ Sep 5 2013, 11:22 AM)
My EU short is still running in green biggrin.gif probably gonna close abit of it before nfp and added more/ close all if necessary

Rule#1 Let your profit run (if trade longer time frame)
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Agree with it.
Because of unstable market. I switch to demo these 2 weeks. Sell limit @ 1.32150 ytd got some profit, I still try to study the market trend.
Don't understand what other investor thinking haha.

Better don't rush in and burn my hard earn money haha.

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post Sep 5 2013, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(naiveboy @ Sep 5 2013, 03:05 AM)
how the country's Monetary Policy Statement affect the currency?
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Use Uncle Google wisely.

MPS includes
-study of inflation
-economic outlook of the country

is like a study report of the country economy, predict it's GDP/CPI,asset,expenses and etc.
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post Sep 5 2013, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(toughproblem @ Sep 5 2013, 03:01 PM)
can we start a live trading account in FXCM with low capital like 100USD?
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FXCM minimum is 50USD.
but I strongly not recommend.

Use demo to learn everything first before you putting 1k usd into forex.



Take forex as investment not gambling.
In this fast market, your 50USD can be gone in a sec.

Smaller capital, smaller SL area allow for the price to breath; easier hitting SL, easier lose all your money.
Larger capital, lager SL area for the price to breath; harder hitting SL, harder lose all your money.

*the meaning of "harder" doesn't mean there's no chance hitting SL, but a better percentage not to hit SL. And after hitting SL, you still got fund to open another position.

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post Sep 5 2013, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Sep 5 2013, 04:20 PM)
using robot  rclxms.gif
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High risk robot =x
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QUOTE(sebastian.twz @ Sep 5 2013, 05:26 PM)
yea... almost 30% drawdown -  -
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QUOTE(eddyann @ Sep 5 2013, 05:59 PM)
this is because I change the default lot size 2.5x more just to get a bit more profit. the default starting lot is 0.1. a friend of mine using it at default settings 0.01 - to 0.1 (0.1 max) the statement graph is almost linear with very minimum "down spike"/drawdown
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Definitely not a good robot.
Raise the risk by 2.5x but yet give return of 600++USD only.
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QUOTE(toughproblem @ Sep 5 2013, 05:40 PM)
rclxm9.gif lower than what i expected.
if i trade small small volume and with the smallest leverage, 100USD ok or not?
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QUOTE(toughproblem @ Sep 5 2013, 09:11 PM)
now try demo acc, today trade by follow forex calendar, lose like hell...

if trade live with tight stop, not dare to imagine....  cry.gif
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Smallest volume = 0.01lot (1pip = USD 0.10), and you need LARGER leverage not SMALLEST =1:500 ~ 1:1000
You have to win 10pips for USD 1 and 100pips for USD10.
Haven't minus any charges like swap/commission.

Your SL is tight like no tomorrow for the breath to breath, and you got higher chance hitting SL before rebound to hit your TP.
Demo along your way before you invest USD 1000.

Below this 2 sifu already tell you about USD 100 is hard for your money management.
QUOTE(kevler @ Sep 5 2013, 05:42 PM)
then you need to have a tight money management ..
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QUOTE(sebastian.twz @ Sep 5 2013, 07:43 PM)
You need very tight stops ( Actually, you will be forced to have very tight stops)
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post Sep 5 2013, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(zaFrOoNaLdO @ Sep 5 2013, 06:55 PM)
still pretty new here. just wondering which website has the lowest commission charge?
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Bro, you mean broker?
Not all broker charge commission.
When broker provide you with forex pair from 0 spread, this means broker charge commission.
If broker provide you forex pair with 1.0spread onward, they earn from the spread itself, and won't charge you commission.

Swap is another story.

ECN broker who provide forex pair from 0 spread normally charge you commission.

I think commission is not the main problem, but you're able to withdraw your money back to your account is the main issue in this industry.
Make sure your fund is safe in other people hand, then only think about commission.

*Note a lot people blindly invest yet one day unable to withdraw their money.
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QUOTE(babienn @ Sep 5 2013, 09:26 PM)
Can I ask, I got a 1:50 leverage demo account, when I opened a 0.01 lot trade, the margin show "5.00".
Is it means that the trade will automatically close when it hit -50 pips loss (which is 5 USD) ?
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no my friend. the Margin means the amount of money you used to hold that position.
(Equity)/(the margin in used)*100 = Margin Level %

For example you got USD 100, with lvlrage 1:500, standard 0.01lot (1pip = USD 0.10)

EurUsd @ 1.3171
Required margin to open Standard 0.01lot = USD 2.63

Margin Level = (100-2.63)/2.63*100
=3702.28%


For my broker FxPro
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at margin level of less than 40% , has the discretion to begin closing positions starting from most unprofitable one. If Margin level is equal or less than 30%, is automatically closing positions at market price.



Learn to manage your money unless you always wanted "Margin Call" thumbup.gif

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post Sep 5 2013, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(babienn @ Sep 5 2013, 10:05 PM)
Big thanks to you!  notworthy.gif

But how to calculate Required margin to open Standard 0.01lot = USD 2.63 ?
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[(BASE) / (Home Currency)] * [units] / [leverage]

Home Currency = USD
Currency Pair = EURUSD
Base = EUR; Quote = USD
Base / Home Currency = EUR/USD = 1.3171
Units = 1000 (0.01lot) [10k units = 0.1lot] [100k units = 1lot]
Leverage = 1:500

Then, margin used:
= (1.3171 * 1000) / 500
= 2.6342 USD
= 2.63 USD

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QUOTE(sebastian.twz @ Sep 5 2013, 11:36 PM)
rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  that is 100% correct, but do take note that some brokers nowadays used a fixed calculation for the margin requirement ie: margin required = 100,000 / leverage for every standard lot round turn
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We trade often, sometimes agak-agak can know how much is the margin required to open a position.

FxPrimus use that calculation?
I know is more unfair to be calculated that way to maintain the Margin Level.
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QUOTE(babienn @ Sep 5 2013, 11:43 PM)
Thanks master!  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
I think so too because my margin is fixed at 5 USD when I open a 0.01 lot trade.
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Which broker are you using?
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QUOTE(babienn @ Sep 6 2013, 12:14 AM)
FXPrimus

Err I forgot about my leverage, not sure if it is 1:50 or 1:200
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then is 200 by using the 100,000/leverage calculation.

most active user here using fxprimus.
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QUOTE(kevler @ Sep 6 2013, 09:11 AM)
next move ..wait for it ...bull me or bear me .

tip of the day : never ride market trend after news came ...u will miss the `train`
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Miss the train never mind. Don't because miss the train double up your margin become gamble.
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QUOTE(Jeck10 @ Sep 6 2013, 09:39 AM)
Miss train nvm..don't take the wrong train haha  laugh.gif
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hehe for news like NFP. If I want to trade, I will keep my fund all in FxPro Vault (aka safe deposit) then remain the required margin to open 0.1lot biggrin.gif.
Even if lose, I lose that margin only~
Slippage? Don't worry, my fund is inside Safety Vault, FxPro will clear the negative balance of my trading account. HAHA
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QUOTE(Jeck10 @ Sep 6 2013, 10:07 AM)
Ah I see..anyway what u mean by slippage? And usually which website u use to watch the news?
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Normally with ECN/STP broker, when the market with ultra high volatility, the price shoot up/down in a sec.
lets say EurUsd I buy @ 1.3200, TP @ 1.3300, SL @ 1.3100.

NFP movement is about 60-120pips a min
NFP come out with GREEN

EurUsd drop and hit my SL, but because too high volatility,
The price keep on dropping faster, maybe stop @ 1.3090. Slippage, I lose more than I initially plan to lose. another 10pips lose.

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