This is wat happening on me and gtoracer1.
The story begin like this.

before 4/4
He say got sell maxis 30 reload coupon
cost is RM27, only want to earn 10cents each.
so i will be getting RM27.10 each + transport charges RM5 + wrapping charges RM5
He say no T&C, any quantity can

Later i confirm get from him 50pcs
when wanna pay him, he say he only earn RM5, not enuf to cover the petrol fee
then i find money to get from him 100pcs.
price is RM2720 for 100pcs

4/4
Pay him RM2710+RM10
RM2710 bank in thru cash deposit machine.
additional RM10 coz my RM10 cant be accepted thru machine, so ask my sis to m2u.
he received the money but say have to phone his frenz to order....
so i waited....

between 5/4 - 27/4
He say waited his frenz A to reply....
but frenz no reply
then ask me to get from other ppl (his frenz but other), who offer more expensive.
I reject, say wanna wait the A.
Later then he say no stock, no sell to him for this special price.
He ask me to get from other dealer....who sell around RM28....(too expensive)

He got say wanna refund to me, but i say nvm. since i plan to get a phone from him.

beginning of May
Plan to get a 3250.
Ask him the price...
He give me the phone full package + silicon case + 2 hotlink simpack + discount + free delivery
i asked the maxis simpack to convert to cash....he agree give me RM13
so i confirm deal with him.
Then i ask him bout the delivery. He say he will use poslaju. Then i ask bout the waranty. I quite worry since i can see a lot seller will say "Damage/lost during delivery is not our responsibility". Then i asked him. He promise he will bear for any damage/lost for the phone during delivery. Then he convinced me that Poslaju is safe.

Later
i make a last confirmation. The price reduced a bit, since market price dropped. Then he say no more bear for the damage/lost during delivery. Then i say it is ok. Then from 2 hotlink simpack become 1, from RM13 become RM5. then i say it is okay again. Then i asked him bout the MMC he provided. He ay will give me the genuine 1, then tell me the package come with 128mb. I want to upgrade it, he asked for RM100 for 512mb, RM160 for 1gb. Then i say i consider,

Around 5/5
I checked website, it stated come with 512mb, then ppl say ap set some come with 512, some come with 128. o i asked him again, then he tell me his mistake, it comes with 512mb. But then still ask me to top up RM160 for 1gb. Then i say nvm, i confirm want. I ask him to send to me. Then suddenly he asked me to pay him and show him the slip. I say i already pay last time (the RM2720). He request me to prove the payment. Then i say it is okay since i keep the receipt and i shall scan it using my frenz scanner.

Too bad, my frenz scanner spoilt. I have no digicam or camera hp that connected to pc. So i keep on finding, and ask him whether can i not present the slip.

6/5
Im keep on asking him whether can or not....since i have competiton on 13/5, need to record video of that day. Ask him to let me have it without the slip....

8/5
He finally promise me, 10x a lot. Then i make last confirmation. I asked him to inform me and give me the tracking num once he sent out.

9/5
Waited till afternoon. No sign of him. SMS to ask him, then he say he is looking for the 1gb, next day only can send.

10/5
Same thing, waited till i SMS him then he tell me no 1gb, but he sent out oledi without 1gb. 10x a lot. then he say will refund back mine balance ( 2720-???) + the refund of RM160(1gb).
Then i received the refund on late afternoon. He say will refund me RM160 that night or next day since no money left in his ac.

11/5
Stil no sign of RM160.
Parcel received, but i no opened it, since im rushing for preparation of competition.

13/5
Opened in hurry, to get it to competition.
To my surprise, it is empty box. But i cant do anything, coz no time.

between 14/5-17/5
send some PMs, but no reply to ask bout the empty box and rM160 refund.

18/5
Received call from Dennis. He ask me more detailly, and ask me to check everything.
Ask me to claim from post office. Then he tell me no need contact gtoracer1, since he is incharge all these.

20/5
Go to post office. The office look at me funnily, then say me do stupid complain, without any evidence. I say will report to police, but he say useless.

Told Dennis, he ask me to make police report.
Late afternoon, i go to police office make report. luckily the policer there are frenzly amnd told me it is impossible for them to open this case. No evidence at all they say. They say no point.

Then my frenz oso say samething, say me no prove to sue the pos office.
Then i discuss with Dennis, after a few reply....he suddenly no respons.

23/5
Asked gtoracer1. He blame me not contacting him. But it is Dennis who tell me no need contact gtoracer1 since Dennis say he in charge. We cant make up our mind who fault is this. Then i suggest to make a thread at dispute corner. He agree but not let me put his name.

24/5
I insist have to put both party name to judge. Later he say it is okay. Then he asked me to let him know after i had made.

25/5 - 28/5
My own delay.....got something personal need to handle.


* All above is truth and does not include my own point of view. If there are no any objection from gtoracer1, mean he agree with above statement and story.

My own point of view
Now, only have 3 possibilities.
a) gtoracer1 scam me.
b) the things lost during delivery. Poslaju fault.
c) I try to scam him.

So i need help from u all to judge which possibilities most highly is the truth. and wat should we 2 do next.....

For ur infomation, i received the parcel with following content...
Full package except the 3250 phone and the 512mb MMC and the silicon case.

I really dun noe gtoracer1 scam me or the poslaju lost it(cheat it). For him, he say his best evidence is the weight of parcel. But too bad i cant weight it again coz the middle part is wrapped by newspaper and plain paper, which my mom threw it oledi, thought it is rubbish.

But obviously i dun find stone inside....

gtoracer1 say maybe i scam him.
Then let me explain....
First of all, if i planned to scam him from the beginning, i wont wasted so many times on bargaining and choosing phone. I will direct choose the most expensive phone and ask a few question only. Ad u all can see i use around 2 week to choose phone and ask detail.

2nd, i can blame him. i will direct say the parcel is empty and the weight is because the thick layer of newspaper. But now i didnt say that as myself really not confirm.

Any suggestion or opinion will be much appreaciated. 10x.

A PM sent to inform him the existence of this thread.
Hope this thread doesnt affect his credibility, this thread is juz to find an answer and solution.



This post has been edited by ~~5ive~~: May 29 2006, 01:53 AM

dude, obviously u kena scam d. pos laju din open the boxes rite? its seal when it reaches u? am i rite? adding on theres stuff inside, if really pos lajuz fault, u wun even receive da parcel. poor you.

ok,some correction here,i say i not responsible for the lost during shipping,i still have the email,i can send to u,do u c my feedback before?i sold more than 1000 units of hp n some are through bid,if the phone i sell are scam,i wont get so many feedback rite?

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/Feedback/User...rID=gtoracer1@1

and btw,i have the proof,i still keep the reciept,i can use the same hp package n weight it again,if its the same weight,how?it proove that i really send.btw,imposible newspaper weight=a hp+battery weight rite if im not mistaken unless i wrap until 1 big giant box?but u can ask him,hows the parcel like,did it come with extra lot lapisan of newspaper? thats all for my comment n hope dreamscent will be able to find the truth also,regards

so what u recieved is only a nokia 3250 box ?

As an outsiders....we have no rights to say who right and whose wrong..
And whose scamming who...
Only those ppl involved they know them self..

Lesson of the day...COD is always 100% safe

Sorry if i offend u...
Feedback doesnt mean anything...
FYI, i bought a digicam from lelong, a verified seller..
But turned out the digicam is a USED instead of NEW as stated..(big damm scratch)
Ok he said returned to him and he send me another unit but after tat said no more stocks...(but still offering same item model in lelong)
I choosed another camera which is more expensive and have to topup..
He sent to me but the item is still USED instead of NEW...

I wasnt verified so cant give BAD comment only NEUTRAL..
And guess what's his reply to my comment? Unreasonable buyer,already change another unit still not satisfy.
After tat few more ppl also complaint about this matter...used item.
But still he gets loads of GOOD rating....

The point i want to say is.....COD always safe....
And this type of scamming are only like 1 out of 10 is scam....to minimise ppl giving bad rating..so many others still give good rating and protect the seller.

seriously, i dun think feedback is a strong proof. I still remember there r a few layer of newspaper....but i really dun noe its weight.

btw, i didnt say that our deal this time the damage/lost will be bear by seller, since last minute u change ur mind. of coz i will agree to u, since u insist the safety of poslaju and i need the things hurrily.

look at ur thread....u didnt mention bout the damage/lost during delivery will be bear by who.gtoracer1 thread but ur email does got say damage/lost during delivery will be bear by buyer.

I noe of coz cod is 100% safe.
u think i dun want to cod?
but we are so far......poslaju will be a better choice

erm....i think even it is seal, oso can be opened by ppl b4 that. coz the out layer is selefone tape. someonce can easily open it and seal it back.

so i dunno wat the truth is. hope u guys can help me. 10x

Thats what happened to me too...
The lelong.com seller insists poslaju while my office is just like 5km from his place.

Seriously we cant help u....
What do u want us to help?
"nenek said nenek got reason, datuk said datuk got reason" <- cantonese
Means...u said he give u empty box, he said he give u the item...
Want us to beat the guy?

hmmm this is why I am sooo scared to use pos laju... even when I am selling the things..would always want my customer to test my stuff kaw kaw then only buy.... hope u guys resolve this soon

aihhh..wut to do lar ...
Only God Knows Why
there is ntg we can do now
hope u can settle things with gtoracer1

ok,some correction here again,i can proove that im innocent,1st,if i wan to scam him,i can straight away change nick n no give back the rm2720 he bank in to me rite?y i still wanna give back to him rm1200+120+160?if i got the heart to scam,i long time wont appear in lowyat or lelong already rite,do c my successful trade list n call my customer anytime n ask them hows my after sales services

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...1520&p=6109102&

regards,n hope dreamscent can find the hp out...best regards

there must be some misunderstanding
i deal with gtoracer few time also no problem

I really didnt mean it is a scam.....
im sure it is missunderstanding
but problem is how to solve it.....

i also thinking...

maybe he cannot cheat at lelong then cheat here . becasue here very easy to cheat ppl .

dun simply accuse ppl without strong evidence

do u have the proove,i got strong evidence to proove im inocent,i can weight back the same package PLUS phone,memory card,battery,n silicon case where the buyer had said missing,i still got keep the poslaju slipt,the weight is written there,best evidence btw,c my successful trade list pls

i rather spend extra ringgits to get from local distributor ..
although phone is cheap but if anything happens when pos laju.. gone..
what for u save the few ringgits?

senior member , but think like junior

I not agree with that.....
so that mean we dun need to purchase thing online juz because we stay far?
so mean all rural area frenz r advisable not to buy things here?

me too.....
do u really 1 me to post the pic empty box?
i try borrow my frenz camera.....

the weight....haiz.....can say watever....
i dun think it is strong evidence......
me too have the slipt.....

btw...i have successful trade list too
although i deal in small amount......

im here so long.....
wat makes u think i suddenly 1 scam u?

moreover.....i have RM2720 at ur place.....
y dun 1 go buy RM2000++ handphone from u
then plan this to scam u....
by that way i can earn more from scamming this

y i want to waste so many time to bargain with u, choosing a middle range price hp......active in hp forum to c the advantage of phone and bla bla bla.....

that's not wat i meant la, bro...
how much is nokia 3250 selling there?
i also hp seller.. many penang guy wan hps from me but i recommend them to get there better.. after the phone lost.. here u go.. same case like dis..
i dunno wat happened there lar.. so, i cannot judge anything..
but let say if gtoracer really got deliver the item.. post office people stole it.. u cannot do anything coz no proof or watever.. wat u expect gtoracer to do? replace? impossible lor..
why people pay expensive delivery? insurance ma..
now both party cannot do anything and u can only complain here.. keep complaining n later on.. all forgotten and u hate gtoracer edi.. who's false? post office... wat can u do.. nothing...
now pos laju all need to write wat item u sending and signature as well.. dangerous..
if write handset.. scare postman steal.. if write others, scare after item lost.. they dun trust me tat's handset..

aiyoyo... gtoracer1.. u got wrap wif thick white paper so cannot see through bo? tape kaw kaw so they cannot open hole to see...

My question to the buyer towards this sentence

"erm....i think even it is seal, oso can be opened by ppl b4 that. coz the out layer is selefone tape. someonce can easily open it and seal it back."

is what is your answer to the question "is the box" sealed when it reaches you? like you say, its a selefone tape. so is it peeled off and resealed? or is the outer wrapper changed by the supporsed thief?

You didn't answer the question at all. The box is with you. From your own observation, do let us know your answer.

rase2 mcm gtoracer yg bohong...xkanla kawan ~5ive~ nak menipu kot..dahla delay urusniaga,pas2 kasi kotak kosong plk tu.ape nk jadila ngan ko ni gtoracer?cube la baik2 ckit ngan org.kepada org yg ckp gtoracer tu x menipu,fikir2la semula...xkan x ingat kot kes viz aritu?yg jual hardisk tu..sblm ni pun ade byk deal gak kat lyn..suddenly tipu org idup2.manusia blh berubah bila2 masa je..apepun,aku ttp sokong thread starter..he's innocent.gtoracer,we need ur xplanation...

Bro..you need evidence to support your sentences. You cant simply accuse someone based on your own judgement.

then..do u have evidence to support gtoracer?how do you feel if u're in ~5ive~ place?

I not supporting anyone. Just that i judge something base on fact given. The first thing ~5ive~ need to do is the check the weight from him. And get the box fill in the roughly amount of paper when he receive. If the weight Different is BIG..then something is happen on postlaju side. If different by few grams..we got a conclusion here. If the weight is +- 5% from the slip..then i blif it empty box. Last time i send processor in postlaju..what suprise me is ..my box koyak and item gone.

ohh...u're right.come'on conmen,let's cheat another ppl easily....and we can blame pos malaysia...

@gtoracer1 : sorry ya . not mean u wanna cheat ppl

sender also keep a copy of post laju paper right?so why he not show here that paper?so , we can know post service or who cheat.

This post has been edited by xeratos_85: May 30 2006, 09:23 PM

seriously go for skynet....they provide a higher level of satisfaction & confidence for my customers especially on phones and documents....i bought something from lelong last week and poslaju still haven't delivered it to me eventhough post on saturday from penang....btw, i have lost 2 phones before (6600 & 6820) on our local postlaju...don't wanna accuse any parties but once bitten, twice shy....i accept my loses and let it be a hard earned lesson

below are the evidence,for those who have the phone,pls weight for me ok? yes i agreee,i only use selefen tape n ppl easily can take out n seal back,five,are the selefen tape is in brown colour?wats the paper language in?i just use chinese newspaper or english newspaper,wana u double check n tell me k,cos is important,regards


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I'd agree with the weighing thing too, might be a good way to determine it
How much newspaper could u possibly stuff in that small box to make up for the weight of the phone?

As for the seal, if someone ripped the celotape it'll probably tear the wrapping together, so you'll be able to see from that
Or if they wrapped it up again, just check what kinda wrapping it is and was supposed to be

You might wanna PM someone that info and then check
Or else if u ask "Is it XXX wrapping?" he could easily reply "No supposed to be YYY, someone changed it" even if it is the same one

Erm....checking....k?
i will try to post the pic oso.....

the box is sealed with brown tape....
i cant really weight it again.....
wat i have now on my hand is the outest part of layer(paper+brown tape) and the box...the usb, charger, the manual, cd. the middle part(the newspape+plain paper) my mom had throw, thought it was rubbish.

i wish i can weight it......

weight =0.64?...why number 4 like bold one...

not clear lah picture..blur!!~

100% the set taken by postman lor...

This post has been edited by Amedion: May 31 2006, 11:00 AM

Once u post up the poslaju receipt which clearly show the weight, everything will be clear, so plz do so, quickly.

Postmen oso human...evil can come anytime...who knows?

is 0.69,i had double comfirm the postmen in subang here,is his writing,so he know,he can be my witness is 0.69 so if anything wanna c the real pos laju thing can come my hse anytime,opposite pyramid

SOrry quite blur oso.......
confirm is 0.69.....no doubt.....
these is the pic......
the plain paper stick with the brown tape....
i take it out.........

0.69 sounds like a set hp ... what a great re-wrap work by the postman..

This post has been edited by Amedion: May 31 2006, 01:01 PM

What is the weight of the paper + all include? Issit 0.69 ? or less?

wats the white paper thing in front,i never put paper inside the box,i just wrap outside.....

question:
is it below the poslaju receipt ticked the "non-document" and wrote "Nokia 3250" there?

i think if the postman saw the "Nokia 3250" words sure hv greed action... even the gtoracer1 wrapped full of brown tape, the postman still able to unwrap it...

next time i think better should read "Book" or watever cheap things if deliver stuff for customers... and i wrapped 5 layers for the stuff b4 i deliver...

This post has been edited by gkl83: May 31 2006, 10:52 PM

i think no use 1 ler... coz i think d items will go through an x-ray machine...

xray machine?means that the postmen can be able to c wats inside before post??dangerous then oo....dreamscent...wat to do wat to do,i also wan know the truth >.<

ermm... if there's a such thing as lead paper... then can blcok ler... use pencil and darken a whole paper 2 wrap it?

i m really sad 2 see this kind of shit happen... haih

Aiseh ... no need do so many stuff lar.. if they wan to steal.. got many ways..
Who's to blame? Postman... thousand of them.. you know which wan ?

so it is unsolved case?
so now is buyer fault or seller fault? useless that keep blaming the poslaju, sure that they wont responsible...
maybe the buyer and seller should take half resposibility for this case

Haiz... how to solve? Seller pay half the amount? This kinda deal is like post and forget edi.. No insurance or anything.. Seller won't pay for it coz earn a little bit only.. Somemore he got proof that shows he really got deliver the stuff ma.. 0.69kg is a set of 3250 edi...
Buyer leh... pity...
Lesson learnt .. Don't use pos laju for expensive stuff.. ! buy INSURANCE ....

but if compare with RiCHBoyZ's case... like totally 2 different matters...

RiCHBoyZ(seller) willing to replace another sticker/refund to buyer...
now ~~5ive~~(buyer) totally need to bear to loss...

but dont compare with the cost loh...

but buyer should get the trustable logistics company to send to stock since it is expensive stuff... not the problematic poslaju...

even i started unsatisfy the poslaju bcos delayed 1 day to send my customer's stuff... within Klang Valley

but this problem should solve by themselves... i dont want to involve into this case bcos totally not my matter... jz give my opinion and advice... hope tat this case can solve asap...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jun 1 2006, 10:19 AM

I don't like to use pos laju either.. dun like to use government stuff.. if something happens.. you're always wrong..

"you" = seller or buyer ?

*** i stop here, really dont want to give more opinion... later i flame with Amedion not good loh, cheers ***

The 'You' indicated that we always wrong. No matter what..government win.

i know sure is government always win... i mentioned it at post#51
"useless that keep blaming the poslaju, sure that they wont responsible"

my means now is the matters between seller or buyer since "WE"(seller&buyer) are wrong...

seller or buyer 100% bear the loss or both take half reponsibility... only both of them know what to do...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jun 1 2006, 11:55 AM

Thanks..
gkl83, sorry.. my english is bad.. i got no intention of flaming anyone..
Btw,
i am a seller..
Aiya.. no point we keep discussing here la.. not our problem.. let them settle themself lor..

This post has been edited by Amedion: Jun 1 2006, 01:21 PM

If both didnt mention anything bout the lost by postlaju..then both must take half responsibility. But..if one side said...he not responsible..another side..say OK. Then you got a conclusion here when it happen.

In my opinion the buyer shouldn't have told anyone or posted pictures of the packing.
I'm not accusing the seller or anything really, i have nothing against him.
But now, the seller can say whatever he wants bout the 'original' packaging, like 'i never used white paper' or so he claims.
What he said could be true of course, but the buyer should've ask the seller how was the packaging like, and then posting up the packaging pictures that will tell the true story. But for now, the true story is whatever the seller has got to say.

Again, i am just pointing out a missed out area here. I'm just doing my duty as a member here, it is what this trade dispute centre is meant for, for members alike to discuss and make aware issues that are not awared of. PEACE.

But..if the seller is guilty..this giving chances for him to blame the postlaju. He can say i pack with Bday wrapping paper. Who knows he lie right? Then the buyer say it not..it brown manjung paper..then he will claim that parcel already being re-wrap.

If i got a chance to get 1 set of nokia 3250... i'll find out what's the exact weight.. if it's close to 0.69kg.. means the seller is not lying becoz it's stated at the pos laju form.. if it's less than tat.. then .. haiz..

erm, yeah?
isnt that what i was talking about? giving it all into hands of the seller to play with?

sigh... ethical, ethical, ethical ...
allow me to do bad assumption if one of them was cheating...

IF the seller cheat,
he put the plain white paper/rubbish into the box to make the weight exactly with the box with HP, means the hp's weight replace by paper/rubbish, 0.69kg...
but the stuff arrived there, the seller found it is full of rubbish without hp... then he take out the rubbish and measure the weight with 3250 (borrow) is 0.69kg...
so can blame the poslaju...

IF the buyer cheat,
when the stuff received on buyer hand, complete set of hp from buyer... but he claim tat not hp bundled with the box... and slot some paper into... but actually he took the hp and blame tat seller didnt send him the hp...

P/S: i not means to offend seller and buyer, i just do a ASSUMPTION only... pls dun mind it...

so we really dun know what happen between them, or both of them honest to each other and bcos the problematic poslaju cause the problem...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jun 1 2006, 05:35 PM

I post the thread here coz we cant setltle it ourselves.....thats y i need ur opinion....hope u all can help......

this is exactly wat i said in 2nd post.
Only 3 possibilities......but none of them can stand firmly.....
so need help from u guys....

we not law-officers
my comments is since it was "ethical" issues, both of you take half responsiblity...

i also kepala headache....dizzy here n there...but my frd,dennis who send it,he ask five,wheres ur paper,he say his mom throw already,but now he got take pics of the paper(the brownish 1 -.-'' something fishy,i no mean blame five but i just tell the truth,no add anything,if five agree,pls say something,if im wrong or add salt or sugar,pls correct me...regards

Ya...right....
i can explain that.....

plz refer to my #36 post
at there i stated clearly.....wat i left is outest part and bla bla bla

then refer back to my #42 post.....
i say the plain paper is stick with the brown tape.....
thats y my mom didnt threw it.....
my mom only threw the middle part(the newspaper)

Hope u can get the explaination u 1.....10x

...
Me just weighted a full sets of 3250 + box.
About 0.7kg.

I don't have anything against the seller (gtoracer1, he's nice) but I agree with your idea here. But as Pip_X has pointed out, he got his version of the weight (0.7kg) which is quite the same as gtoracer1's version.

Anyway, I wanna ask Pip_X, did you:
- weigh it together with the newspapers and the tape? Or
- just plain full set Nokia 3250 plus the box?

Plain 3250 full set + box, no poslaju stuff, no tape, no newspaper, nothing else.

Is it possible to help me to weight full set except phone and mmc? izzit 700-115=585g?

then actually can i know how much newspaper equal to 100g?

i really wish i could weight it but i dun have weight machine.....
plz help me on this....10x a lot.....

3250 full box set WITHOUT phone and battery = about 560g.
The phone weight with battery is about 130g.

With all the info, it's pretty clear that the problem is on the postal...

i wish that the "poslaju guy" can give his/her statement as well..
post office should have the some track on their deliverer..
perhaps seller can do a little homework to get some clue?..
since we got third party involved here but only two of them had give the statement..
anyhow i think a report to poslaju about the lost need to be done asap.. although they give 30days for dat,at least they can work sumthing out 4 u if u made it earlier..

OK,so:

Pip_X weighed the plain Nokia 3250 full set + box (no newspapers and tapes) = 0.7kg

but

gtoracer1 weighed everything (Nokia 3250 full set + box + newspapers + tapes) = 0.69kg

0.01kg of difference can be ignored here due to slight error here and there.

~~5ive~~, can you please tell us more about the wrapping paper material? And roughly how many layers?

I'm quite puzzled though, if your mom threw the external layers of papers away, as she thought they were rubbish, why didn't your mom threw the remaining pieces (as shown in your pictures) away? The white crumpled paper looked like thrash to me.

No offence brothers, just wanna clarify things.

Sigh....i doubt seller not even willing to refund 25% loss...

Too bad nobody can know whose telling the truth..

Oh.. all playing CSI part edi ..

How much is the weight of newspaperz, white paperz & tapes all? ... i working at stationeries and i know it's quite heavy also... depends on how thick / how many layers u wrapped it.. together with white papers inside the box...

Pip_x ( complete set in box without being wrapped ) = 0.7kg

gtoracer1 ( complete set in box wrapped ) = 0.69kg

Why wrapped box is lighter than the non-wrapped box?
Newspaper + White papers + Tape = 0.01kg lighter? Hydrogen Paper?


Question is :

- Gtoracer, who wrap the set and deliver? Does he includes white paper?
- Wat is the weight of 3250 + battery?
- Five, how thick the newspapers and how many of the white papers?


Use ur tracking number and go to post office .. Check out who's on shift that day.. They sure got record ma..

Plz READ before u post anything on this thread, and other thread as well.
Most LYN newbies does not learn how to read.

Just wanna add some comments.

recently, i wanted to buy something online. I was told by the seller that he wants to use poslaju. I told him I dun trust pos laju. But he says, its ok because if package lost, then can claim back money. how much? I am not sure. but he says sure can claim losses.

My personal opinion, If whole package lost, then Pos laju definitely have to refund losses incurred. But if the pakage arrived at the receiver's place, then how to claim losses. I am just drawing a scenario where the items received but without intended contents. Pos laju will just deny everything and the blame will go to the sender or receiver.

So, we will end up with our losses and Pos goes free. Even with our reports as they will just claim plausible denialbility. (not sure if this term is used correctly here)

Oh.. thanks..

This post has been edited by Amedion: Jun 2 2006, 02:28 PM

this is wat the policer and pos office ppl tell me.....
we cant claim or report this lost due the os office had done their job, that is to send the aprcel to my house....

whether the content, they have no idea and wont responsible for it.....

sure....im willing to explain every doubt.....
my mom didnt threw the plain paper shown in pic becoz it is with the brown tape.
my mom didnt threw the brown tape as i put the brown tape with the box aside when i hurry go for competition...

the newspaper i juz put like that....im my room....on the floor while the box + the plain paper with brown tape i put on my table....perhaps that is the reason my mom didnt threw

maybe u all will ask y i keep the brown tape....
coz i think i may need the poslaju receipt and gtoracer1 information as a copy to myself.....

but normally in this kind of cases i think seller is the cheater!

who know whether he got send the handphone or not! i know te seller had done alot transaction...!but this is the the guaranteed that he wont con and cheat people !

Well, all I can say is you can't jump into conclusions THAT fast. There are simply too many possibilities on the table right now and each and every one of them have equal chances of happening.

okay...now you tell me...in common sense..what the purpose buyer do this kind of complain?

what for the purpose go and frame the seller? too free n nothing to be do???!!!

If im the seller and really got send the stuff...If this kind of thing happen..i sure will make police report...

But in this case seem diff...the seller seem dont care and seem like pretending..!

my advise just becareful when trade with gtoracer next time...sorry im not mean to offence u...

OK, here's a similar scenario:

You sell something worth RM2000 to me.

Your goods <-- 1. Who knows whether you really put the stuffs in?
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POSLAJU <-- 2. Who knows whether POSLAJU did or did not take the goods out?
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Me <-- 3. Who knows whether I tried to bluff you and say it was an empty box?

(Reminder: We are dealing with thousands of Ringgit here, not a few bucks)

if like this i think it is better if both side come out together and make police report...!
since 2 side also blaming on the pos office side... then we should make a complain and reports the case to police and post office HQ...

So, ~~5ive~~ and gtoracer1, what do you guys intend to do now?

yeah...i think both of you should come out together and make police report against post office!

yeah lor... masteranu84 also kena before rm100.. then both party go police station n report.. u must print all evidence like when u order, how much, bla bla.. u hav to print all wat u've chat in this forum.. tat's wat they did..

this is wat i had done.....
the policer was friendly enough to tell me dun do stupid complain....
he say i cant sue the pos office as the parcel arrived at my house.....
he say who knows we try to con pos office by making such complain
ten no evidence summore.......

have u make a report to poslaju station according this lost yet?...

I dunno anything about pos laju lar... but normally they won't responsible for dis kinda lost coz it's RM1k+...
Skynet can oni pays u RM100..
KTM is RM200..
around that figure oni.. they won't replace a set of 3250 for u .. anyway, pos laju sure got state something like " Pos laju shall not be liable for any loss or damage incurred by the customer.. bla bla bla... or any loss or damage as a result of act of god or an force majeure occurance ... "

yupz....make already
but they say they wont responsible for this.......
1st reason - the parcel arrived to my house
2nd reason - they dunno wat is the content......so i cant claim lost in the parcel...they say if that case.....a lot ppl will pakat to con them.....

then for u all information
poslaju will responsible for lost....only lost the whole parcel.....
around RM200 max for the lost.....not sure

oh.. whole parcel lost then oni responsible lar.. then if inside stuff already gone n the box still got.. consider ur problem lar? like dat postman rules edi.. i also wan become one.. government staff sux..

for parcel, max u can claim is RM300

Ops.....10x ya....
but too sad mine case cant claim anything.....