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~~5ive~~
post May 29 2006, 01:51 AM, updated 20y ago

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This is wat happening on me and gtoracer1.
The story begin like this.

before 4/4
He say got sell maxis 30 reload coupon
cost is RM27, only want to earn 10cents each.
so i will be getting RM27.10 each + transport charges RM5 + wrapping charges RM5
He say no T&C, any quantity can

Later i confirm get from him 50pcs
when wanna pay him, he say he only earn RM5, not enuf to cover the petrol fee
then i find money to get from him 100pcs.
price is RM2720 for 100pcs

4/4
Pay him RM2710+RM10
RM2710 bank in thru cash deposit machine.
additional RM10 coz my RM10 cant be accepted thru machine, so ask my sis to m2u.
he received the money but say have to phone his frenz to order....
so i waited....

between 5/4 - 27/4
He say waited his frenz A to reply....
but frenz no reply
then ask me to get from other ppl (his frenz but other), who offer more expensive.
I reject, say wanna wait the A.
Later then he say no stock, no sell to him for this special price.
He ask me to get from other dealer....who sell around RM28....(too expensive)

He got say wanna refund to me, but i say nvm. since i plan to get a phone from him.

beginning of May
Plan to get a 3250.
Ask him the price...
He give me the phone full package + silicon case + 2 hotlink simpack + discount + free delivery
i asked the maxis simpack to convert to cash....he agree give me RM13
so i confirm deal with him.
Then i ask him bout the delivery. He say he will use poslaju. Then i ask bout the waranty. I quite worry since i can see a lot seller will say "Damage/lost during delivery is not our responsibility". Then i asked him. He promise he will bear for any damage/lost for the phone during delivery. Then he convinced me that Poslaju is safe.

Later
i make a last confirmation. The price reduced a bit, since market price dropped. Then he say no more bear for the damage/lost during delivery. Then i say it is ok. Then from 2 hotlink simpack become 1, from RM13 become RM5. then i say it is okay again. Then i asked him bout the MMC he provided. He ay will give me the genuine 1, then tell me the package come with 128mb. I want to upgrade it, he asked for RM100 for 512mb, RM160 for 1gb. Then i say i consider,

Around 5/5
I checked website, it stated come with 512mb, then ppl say ap set some come with 512, some come with 128. o i asked him again, then he tell me his mistake, it comes with 512mb. But then still ask me to top up RM160 for 1gb. Then i say nvm, i confirm want. I ask him to send to me. Then suddenly he asked me to pay him and show him the slip. I say i already pay last time (the RM2720). He request me to prove the payment. Then i say it is okay since i keep the receipt and i shall scan it using my frenz scanner.

Too bad, my frenz scanner spoilt. I have no digicam or camera hp that connected to pc. So i keep on finding, and ask him whether can i not present the slip.

6/5
Im keep on asking him whether can or not....since i have competiton on 13/5, need to record video of that day. Ask him to let me have it without the slip....

8/5
He finally promise me, 10x a lot. Then i make last confirmation. I asked him to inform me and give me the tracking num once he sent out.

9/5
Waited till afternoon. No sign of him. SMS to ask him, then he say he is looking for the 1gb, next day only can send.

10/5
Same thing, waited till i SMS him then he tell me no 1gb, but he sent out oledi without 1gb. 10x a lot. then he say will refund back mine balance ( 2720-???) + the refund of RM160(1gb).
Then i received the refund on late afternoon. He say will refund me RM160 that night or next day since no money left in his ac.

11/5
Stil no sign of RM160.
Parcel received, but i no opened it, since im rushing for preparation of competition.

13/5
Opened in hurry, to get it to competition.
To my surprise, it is empty box. But i cant do anything, coz no time.

between 14/5-17/5
send some PMs, but no reply to ask bout the empty box and rM160 refund.

18/5
Received call from Dennis. He ask me more detailly, and ask me to check everything.
Ask me to claim from post office. Then he tell me no need contact gtoracer1, since he is incharge all these.

20/5
Go to post office. The office look at me funnily, then say me do stupid complain, without any evidence. I say will report to police, but he say useless.

Told Dennis, he ask me to make police report.
Late afternoon, i go to police office make report. luckily the policer there are frenzly amnd told me it is impossible for them to open this case. No evidence at all they say. They say no point.

Then my frenz oso say samething, say me no prove to sue the pos office.
Then i discuss with Dennis, after a few reply....he suddenly no respons.

23/5
Asked gtoracer1. He blame me not contacting him. But it is Dennis who tell me no need contact gtoracer1 since Dennis say he in charge. We cant make up our mind who fault is this. Then i suggest to make a thread at dispute corner. He agree but not let me put his name.

24/5
I insist have to put both party name to judge. Later he say it is okay. Then he asked me to let him know after i had made.

25/5 - 28/5
My own delay.....got something personal need to handle.


* All above is truth and does not include my own point of view. If there are no any objection from gtoracer1, mean he agree with above statement and story.
~~5ive~~
post May 29 2006, 01:52 AM

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My own point of view
Now, only have 3 possibilities.
a) gtoracer1 scam me.
b) the things lost during delivery. Poslaju fault.
c) I try to scam him.

So i need help from u all to judge which possibilities most highly is the truth. and wat should we 2 do next.....

For ur infomation, i received the parcel with following content...
Full package except the 3250 phone and the 512mb MMC and the silicon case.

I really dun noe gtoracer1 scam me or the poslaju lost it(cheat it). For him, he say his best evidence is the weight of parcel. But too bad i cant weight it again coz the middle part is wrapped by newspaper and plain paper, which my mom threw it oledi, thought it is rubbish.

But obviously i dun find stone inside....

gtoracer1 say maybe i scam him.
Then let me explain....
First of all, if i planned to scam him from the beginning, i wont wasted so many times on bargaining and choosing phone. I will direct choose the most expensive phone and ask a few question only. Ad u all can see i use around 2 week to choose phone and ask detail.

2nd, i can blame him. i will direct say the parcel is empty and the weight is because the thick layer of newspaper. But now i didnt say that as myself really not confirm.
~~5ive~~
post May 29 2006, 01:52 AM

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Any suggestion or opinion will be much appreaciated. 10x. rclxub.gif

A PM sent to inform him the existence of this thread.
Hope this thread doesnt affect his credibility, this thread is juz to find an answer and solution.

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This post has been edited by ~~5ive~~: May 29 2006, 01:53 AM
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post May 29 2006, 02:04 AM

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dude, obviously u kena scam d. pos laju din open the boxes rite? its seal when it reaches u? am i rite? adding on theres stuff inside, if really pos lajuz fault, u wun even receive da parcel. poor you.
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post May 29 2006, 11:43 AM

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ok,some correction here,i say i not responsible for the lost during shipping,i still have the email,i can send to u,do u c my feedback before?i sold more than 1000 units of hp n some are through bid,if the phone i sell are scam,i wont get so many feedback rite?

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/Feedback/User...rID=gtoracer1@1

and btw,i have the proof,i still keep the reciept,i can use the same hp package n weight it again,if its the same weight,how?it proove that i really send.btw,imposible newspaper weight=a hp+battery weight rite if im not mistaken unless i wrap until 1 big giant box?but u can ask him,hows the parcel like,did it come with extra lot lapisan of newspaper? thats all for my comment n hope dreamscent will be able to find the truth also,regards
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post May 29 2006, 11:51 AM

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so what u recieved is only a nokia 3250 box ?
WaCKy-Angel
post May 29 2006, 11:54 AM

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As an outsiders....we have no rights to say who right and whose wrong..
And whose scamming who...
Only those ppl involved they know them self..

Lesson of the day...COD is always 100% safe
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post May 29 2006, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(gtoracer1 @ May 29 2006, 11:43 AM)
ok,some correction here,i say i not responsible for the lost during shipping,i still have the email,i can send to u,do u c my feedback before?i sold more than 1000 units of hp n some are through bid,if the phone i sell are scam,i wont get so many feedback rite?

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/Feedback/User...rID=gtoracer1@1

and btw,i have the proof,i still keep the reciept,i can use the same hp package n weight it again,if its the same weight,how?it proove that i really send.btw,imposible newspaper weight=a hp+battery weight rite if im not mistaken unless i wrap until 1 big giant box?but u can ask him,hows the parcel like,did it come with extra lot lapisan of newspaper? thats all for my comment n hope dreamscent will be able to find the truth also,regards
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Sorry if i offend u...
Feedback doesnt mean anything...
FYI, i bought a digicam from lelong, a verified seller..
But turned out the digicam is a USED instead of NEW as stated..(big damm scratch)
Ok he said returned to him and he send me another unit but after tat said no more stocks...(but still offering same item model in lelong)
I choosed another camera which is more expensive and have to topup..
He sent to me but the item is still USED instead of NEW...

I wasnt verified so cant give BAD comment only NEUTRAL..
And guess what's his reply to my comment? Unreasonable buyer,already change another unit still not satisfy.
After tat few more ppl also complaint about this matter...used item.
But still he gets loads of GOOD rating....

The point i want to say is.....COD always safe....
And this type of scamming are only like 1 out of 10 is scam....to minimise ppl giving bad rating..so many others still give good rating and protect the seller.
~~5ive~~
post May 29 2006, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(gtoracer1 @ May 29 2006, 11:43 AM)
ok,some correction here,i say i not responsible for the lost during shipping,i still have the email,i can send to u,do u c my feedback before?i sold more than 1000 units of hp n some are through bid,if the phone i sell are scam,i wont get so many feedback rite?

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/Feedback/User...rID=gtoracer1@1

and btw,i have the proof,i still keep the reciept,i can use the same hp package n weight it again,if its the same weight,how?it proove that i really send.btw,imposible newspaper weight=a hp+battery weight rite if im not mistaken unless i wrap until 1 big giant box?but u can ask him,hows the parcel like,did it come with extra lot lapisan of newspaper? thats all for my comment n hope dreamscent will be able to find the truth also,regards
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seriously, i dun think feedback is a strong proof. I still remember there r a few layer of newspaper....but i really dun noe its weight.

btw, i didnt say that our deal this time the damage/lost will be bear by seller, since last minute u change ur mind. of coz i will agree to u, since u insist the safety of poslaju and i need the things hurrily.

look at ur thread....u didnt mention bout the damage/lost during delivery will be bear by who.gtoracer1 thread but ur email does got say damage/lost during delivery will be bear by buyer.

QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ May 29 2006, 11:54 AM)
As an outsiders....we have no rights to say who right and whose wrong..
And whose scamming who...
Only those ppl involved they know them self..

Lesson of the day...COD is always 100% safe
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I noe of coz cod is 100% safe.
u think i dun want to cod?
but we are so far......poslaju will be a better choice

QUOTE(kidmad @ May 29 2006, 02:04 AM)
dude, obviously u kena scam d. pos laju din open the boxes rite? its seal when it reaches u? am i rite? adding on theres stuff inside, if really pos lajuz fault, u wun even receive da parcel. poor you.
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erm....i think even it is seal, oso can be opened by ppl b4 that. coz the out layer is selefone tape. someonce can easily open it and seal it back.

so i dunno wat the truth is. hope u guys can help me. 10x
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post May 29 2006, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(~~5ive~~ @ May 29 2006, 12:09 PM)
I noe of coz cod is 100% safe.
u think i dun want to cod?
but we are so far......poslaju will be a better choice


so i dunno wat the truth is. hope u guys can help me. 10x
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Thats what happened to me too...
The lelong.com seller insists poslaju while my office is just like 5km from his place.

Seriously we cant help u....
What do u want us to help?
"nenek said nenek got reason, datuk said datuk got reason" <- cantonese
Means...u said he give u empty box, he said he give u the item...
Want us to beat the guy?

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post May 29 2006, 02:45 PM

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hmmm this is why I am sooo scared to use pos laju... even when I am selling the things..would always want my customer to test my stuff kaw kaw then only buy.... hope u guys resolve this soon thumbup.gif
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aihhh..wut to do lar ...
Only God Knows Why
there is ntg we can do now
hope u can settle things with gtoracer1

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post May 29 2006, 06:40 PM

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ok,some correction here again,i can proove that im innocent,1st,if i wan to scam him,i can straight away change nick n no give back the rm2720 he bank in to me rite?y i still wanna give back to him rm1200+120+160?if i got the heart to scam,i long time wont appear in lowyat or lelong already rite,do c my successful trade list n call my customer anytime n ask them hows my after sales services

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...1520&p=6109102&

regards,n hope dreamscent can find the hp out...best regards biggrin.gif
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post May 29 2006, 08:09 PM

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there must be some misunderstanding
i deal with gtoracer few time also no problem biggrin.gif
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post May 29 2006, 09:10 PM

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I really didnt mean it is a scam.....
im sure it is missunderstanding
but problem is how to solve it.....
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QUOTE(~~5ive~~ @ May 29 2006, 09:10 PM)
I really didnt mean it is a scam.....
im sure it is missunderstanding
but problem is how to solve it.....
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post May 30 2006, 02:40 AM

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maybe he cannot cheat at lelong then cheat here . becasue here very easy to cheat ppl .
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QUOTE(xeratos_85 @ May 30 2006, 02:40 AM)
maybe he cannot cheat at lelong then cheat here . becasue here very easy to cheat ppl .
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dun simply accuse ppl without strong evidence sweat.gif
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QUOTE(xeratos_85 @ May 30 2006, 02:40 AM)
maybe he cannot cheat at lelong then cheat here . becasue here very easy to cheat ppl .
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rclxub.gif do u have the proove,i got strong evidence to proove im inocent,i can weight back the same package PLUS phone,memory card,battery,n silicon case where the buyer had said missing,i still got keep the poslaju slipt,the weight is written there,best evidence biggrin.gif btw,c my successful trade list pls sweat.gif
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i rather spend extra ringgits to get from local distributor ..
although phone is cheap but if anything happens when pos laju.. gone..
what for u save the few ringgits?

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