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 ASN, ASN2, ASN3, ASG, ASB, ASW2020, ASM, ASD, AS1M, AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL BERHAD V4

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lucifah
post Oct 4 2013, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(myhvictor @ Oct 4 2013, 08:47 AM)
beside reduction of the principal , their is one lump sump 34 k interest saving based on illustration below:

Loan 200 k , lump sum paymnet 50k. tenure 15 year , mthly pymt rm 1499.50

Loan Amortization Schedule
Loan Amortized at 4.2%
Payment Payment                      Principal
Date Number Amount                Principal Interest                    Balance

Opening Balance    RM200,000.00

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GRAND TOTAL  RM269,910.10 RM200,000.00 RM69,910.10 RM0.00

new interest                                                                                                  RM 35229

new last payment date is on january 2024

however you lost the opportunity cost .It depend on individual  requirement
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that is a very detailed calculation. but how much interest is saved? is it 34.7k? (69,910 - 35,229)

i noticed you only put in 50k on year 5, so i made a simulation on AS1M compounding dividend for 10 years

Dividend 6.7
Year
1 50,000
2 53,350
3 56,924
4 60,738
5 64,808
6 69,150
7 73,783
8 78,726
9 84,001
10 89,629


you get 39.6k dividend (89,629 - 50,000)

am i correct in this calculations?
lucifah
post Oct 5 2013, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(myhvictor @ Oct 5 2013, 10:49 AM)
you are right

You didn't consider  inflation rate , as 50K now is not equivalent to 50k 10 year later

based on 3% inflation rate the 95K only worth 71k after 10 year

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i am interested in your last statement. many of us would have overlooked the inflation factor

simplifying things up, the dividends generated for 10 years would "only worth" 21k? (71k - 50k)

doesn't this mean that reducing the principal will be the more logical choice? it'd save you rm 34k vs rm 21k?


this is getting very interesting.
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post Oct 8 2013, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(acmilan2005 @ Oct 8 2013, 01:41 PM)
Need some enlighten here, recently I have updated my ASW2020 after couple of years. I discovered that no dividends have been credited from the year 1999-2004. Has anyone here gone through the same?

Thank you.
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from 1999 - 2004, they issue cheques for the dividends smile.gif
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post Oct 8 2013, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(areankim @ Oct 8 2013, 01:47 PM)
from my yearly statement, it seems to be added into my total units...
never get any cheques...
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starting 2005 they re-invest dividends into your account
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post Oct 9 2013, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Oct 9 2013, 10:31 AM)
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eh?

i was busy doing loan simulations and inflation hike effects
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post Oct 10 2013, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 10 2013, 12:31 PM)
Maybe what he is trying to say is govt. no money to pay interest on these, and since election is over no need to create feel good enviroment, so lower dividend, No??
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that's what is being pointed out here.

the ASB dividends are not paid by the govt.

instead, the govt makes it easier for ASB to derive the dividends from their investment, which again, i have no liberty to discuss here. maybe over a nice cup of coffee. but not online.


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post Oct 10 2013, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 10 2013, 02:46 PM)
The point im trying to make is that the dividends this year will NOT be as good as last year regardless where the profits come from and if its only paper dividends.
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history has shown that ASB dividend is always in tandem with BLR rate. but let's not use past performance to predict the future smile.gif
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post Oct 10 2013, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Oct 10 2013, 04:04 PM)
True that. When measuring the spread between dividends (ex-bonus) and BLR, the average since 1990 till 2012 is 0.8%. It even went negative during the early 90's and of course during 1998 of course.

Again I've excluded bonus in the equation as it's not an absolute figure but taken over 120 months or 10 years. Food for thought for those thinking of taking ASB loans, don't fall for the "selling" tactic used by banks who always quote bonus as though it is absolute when it isn't.
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i agree many people got duped by ASB return = dividend + bonus = 7.75 + 1.15 = 8.9%

that is why most of my example calculations here exclude the bonus calculations.

and since i fvcked up my ASB records (depleting almost zero balance during my dark years), my bonus is affected. in fact, my effective bonus for 2012 is actually just a mere 0.2% of my current ASB balance, which is pathetic.


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post Oct 10 2013, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Oct 10 2013, 04:59 PM)
For everyone's benefit (especially those silent readers who may be contemplating ASB loan due to the rumor that ASB loan tenure would be capped at 10 years) here's the image of the ASB dividend vs BLR spread. Again, don't fall for the bank's sweet talk.

The margin is smaller than you think wink.gif

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but still, a +1.15% over the BLR (based on 2012 returns), is still acceptable...

and if you include the BLR -1.65% offered, then it will be 1.15% + 1.65% = 2.8% above the interest charged?

correct me if i'm wrong

This post has been edited by lucifah: Oct 10 2013, 05:09 PM
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post Oct 10 2013, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 10 2013, 05:14 PM)
Some of the year the total dividend is 14%  shocking.gif

Very2 lucky those holding big amount those time  nod.gif
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during that time, BLR is 11%...

and no, u got it wrong. it's NOT the dividend, but the BONUS that is high (3%)

like mentioned previously, BONUS = fake percentage
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post Oct 10 2013, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Oct 10 2013, 05:15 PM)
You're correct but I never bothered with the BLR-x.xx% portion of the equation because not everybody is guaranteed to get that rate. It would depend on the applicant's existing commitments, exposure and credit history/profile.

It's the same logic I apply in terms of ASB bonuses too. Not everyone gets the absolute value and the same applies to the discount rate one may get from the base lending rate wink.gif
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yup. you're right about the variables. they can change anytime, and is not absolute nor fixed.

can you teach me how you get the effective rate based on the dividend, bonus and BLR, as per your table? smile.gif
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post Oct 11 2013, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 11 2013, 11:24 AM)
found this site...seems like related to what you sifus are discussing...

ASB is the only fund from ASNB that provides additional bonuses to their investors. That has raised quite a number of speculation with regards to the capability and sustainability of ASB. Is it even possible for any fund to provide returns even in the harshest of economy situation?
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2013/...g-loans-to.html
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 11 2013, 12:21 PM)
Thanks for sharing the site.

The website got a lot of useful information & can clear some of the doubt  nod.gif
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i stopped reading when i reached the first table

someone with deep knowledge about ASB will never lump together ASB returns = dividend + bonus, as the effective % rate for bonus is highly dependent on many factors, and is best ignored, unless your account balance is static > 10 years.



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post Oct 23 2013, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(natzakaria @ Oct 23 2013, 05:14 PM)
Need your expert advise
My ASB is fully loaded and I have not collected dividends for the longest time.
Should I take out the dividends and dump it in another Amanah Saham or leave it there
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let it inside ASB. the dividend is compounded

that means your dividend is generating dividend
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post Oct 28 2013, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 26 2013, 01:45 PM)
It's your luck, others people try few times also failed to get any  nod.gif
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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Oct 26 2013, 04:20 PM)
why u so lucky, can give us 4D no. to buy????
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 27 2013, 05:27 PM)
Buy jackpot n lottery
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 27 2013, 05:38 PM)
Have tried that and can only say, better luck next time! Ha.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 28 2013, 12:03 AM)
anybody going to try top up tomorrow morning? i have something to do at CIMB, will try there.
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 28 2013, 12:26 AM)
Again? I salute your determination on getting the units  notworthy.gif
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has this thread become a chat thread? if yes, i will move it to kopitiam

please keep to discussions and not idle chats about topping up, luck and all that. this is not kopitiam.



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post Oct 30 2013, 10:03 AM

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Time to digest Budget 2014

Nothing mentioned about abolishment of ASB financing. I guess the ruse made up by banks were to stir up the market


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post Nov 3 2013, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Nov 3 2013, 07:37 AM)
In following this thread, noted that sellers are mostly those with AS1M and ASW2020. Why? Something not right / not secured with these units?

No ASM sellers?

Cheerio.
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as far as i recall, all three amanah saham gives similar return this year

maybe the difficulty in obtaining the fund as non-bumi quota is finished...

ASM - 6.8% + special dividend
AS1M - 6.7%
ASW2020 - 6.7%




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post Nov 11 2013, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Nov 11 2013, 04:19 PM)
Guys, wanna ask about this ASB thingy.

The dividend will be declared this coming December right?

When will be the last day to deposit money inside the account?

Or they kira full pro-rated depends on the date you deposit.

Kindly advice. biggrin.gif
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dividend is calculated based on the lowest balance of each month

the cut off date / grace period is the 1st of each month
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post Nov 11 2013, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Nov 11 2013, 04:29 PM)
So if example, 2013 balance is 100k.

September deposit 30K = Total 130K as of September 2013

December declare %

So apa mcm?  hmm.gif
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on what day of september did you put it in?


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post Nov 11 2013, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Nov 11 2013, 04:33 PM)
12th.  laugh.gif
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then the additional 30k will be calculated into their pro-rated calculations from october onwards
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post Nov 12 2013, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(blackcsc @ Nov 12 2013, 04:58 PM)
Hi all sifu sekalian, i went to reg a new AS1M account y'day and got rejected as the system shown the quota is filled @@ can anyone confirmed on that ? Even for the Bumi quota is filled ? I tot AS1M for Bumi one still available ?
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Nov 12 2013, 06:07 PM)
AS1M bumi quota sold-out?  shocking.gif  I tot still got a lot available & can add anytime  hmm.gif
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last i checked still available

easiest way to check is try to top up via online banking. if the option is there, then it means the fund is still available

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