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 ASN, ASN2, ASN3, ASG, ASB, ASW2020, ASM, ASD, AS1M, AMANAH SAHAM NASIONAL BERHAD V4

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post Jan 2 2014, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jan 2 2014, 05:06 PM)
I assume u already ask for upgrade the limit from 200k from ASNB  hmm.gif
Nope. I havent. Can i? Do they allow?
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post Jan 3 2014, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jan 2 2014, 08:03 PM)
Wa how do you have more than rm400k without upgrading your limit?
And if you injected your funds in 2nd half of 2012 you would get the full year dividend for 2013.
Storm already over la, upcoming more likely a shower.
I meant 2013 not 2012. The 200K limit refers to only the actual amount you invest. Doesnt take into account dividends.
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post Jan 3 2014, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 2 2014, 06:53 PM)
Oic...
My personal advise is u continue with ASB unless u manage to find alternative investment that shares d same characteristic of ASB
Yes thats what i think too but its a worry with how the Gov is behaving lately. Their actions clearly indicate a lack of funds in the coffers.
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post Jan 3 2014, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jan 3 2014, 12:04 PM)
I'm very intrigued as to how you believe PNB directly contribute to the government's coffers?
Yes i agree there is no official mechnism in place to donate any proceeds to the Gov but im sure that a Gov thats desperate enough to get money will look into ways to tap into such investment schemes. Not saying its happening now but i think its a possibility in the future. Again, i could be wrong.
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post Jan 6 2014, 11:07 PM

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HOw does this cert thing work? Seems that it doesnt affect the 200K max limit in an account. Any way for me to get it? I have extra cash to pump into ASB but sadly ive already max'd out
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post Jan 7 2014, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Jan 7 2014, 08:19 AM)
Maybe you can borrow using your wife name (if you have one) or brothers, sisters or son or daughter. That if you are willing to guarantee their future loan as it will affect their loan eligibility.

If you dont have the above, then you cant add anymore in your account.
I dont wanna borrow. I have excess cash to deposit.
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post Jan 7 2014, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(masami @ Jan 6 2014, 11:20 PM)
the cert + passbook is also subjected to 200k max..
if you hv 150k cash in ur passbook..then u can only buy 50k worth of cert

but the dividend will further increases your limit by more than 200k
Nope. I dont think so. This is an actual case:

Cert = 30K
Cash investment into account = 196K
Total current balance in account = 203K

Cert 30K was taken 2012 while the 196K cash was dumped in mid 2013.
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QUOTE(Joshua_0718 @ Jan 7 2014, 04:07 PM)
Wow. You are cash rich!  blink.gif
Eh who said its my account? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(masami @ Jan 7 2014, 05:58 PM)
yes..that is exactly what i meant..
the additional 3k is actually dividend that u get
if u go and update the the passbook now u probably will get approximately 10k worth of dividend + bonus
this will further push the limit to rm 213k++.. but u cant dump another fresh amount into ur asb as the limit is only 213k

but if u take out 13k..and left the 200k untouched..later on u still can top it up by the exact amount that u took out
my current limit is 254k..that 54k is accumulated dividend + bonus.
Sorry, i still dont understand. If the 30,000 was calculated as part of the 200K limit, how then was it possible for another 196,000 to be dumped into the account? It should only be max 170K.
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jan 7 2014, 04:40 PM)
account holders can always check their fund limits at the counter.
I know the limits. What i dont understand is if sijil's are calculated as part of the 200K or otherwise. IN the case mentioned above, it doesnt seem so.
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QUOTE(toomanyrulez @ Jan 7 2014, 06:02 PM)
If we have like 300k, take 100k out, later we can add 100k also?
Yes
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QUOTE(masami @ Jan 7 2014, 07:17 PM)
ok..from  ur illustration.. at one point ur asb limit is 226k..as i said earlier, the additional 26k is your dividend. i suspected u hv invested in asb for quite sometime already hence the 26k dividend accumulated over the years.i have discussed this at length in another forum.

point is , if somebody has more than 200k in asb..the additional amount is definitely from the dividend..another way is through inheritance
The 30K sijil was pumped into the account maybe around 2011. In mid 2013 about 190K cash was pumped in. That would take the overall investment to 220K. This does not include dividends. But the current book balance after the last update is about 202K. Hence my earlier statement that sijils are not counted as part of the 200K investment limit for each account although the dividends are included as part of the total book balance.
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QUOTE(popice2u @ Jan 7 2014, 09:19 PM)
Sehubungan itu, berkuatkuasa pada 05 Julai 2013, semua pemegang unit yang ingin mengemaskini buku pelaburan mereka perlu hadir sendiri ke kaunter bagi melaksanakan urusniaga tersebut

why make it so difficult? update book only maaaa
Just fill up the borang and sign it yorself. They arent bothered in the least. As long as they get a piece of paper to protect themselves, they are happy.
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jan 8 2014, 03:58 PM)
so u mean, your balance is over the 200k limit (excluding dividend). How can it be?  hmm.gif  rclxub.gif
Balance can be over the 200K limit. Thats not an issue. The 200K limit only refers to funds that are actually deposited into the account. Your dividends can accumulate without limit as long as your investment remains.

My issue here is that the total amount deposited into the account was actually 220K. Thats why i think that the sijil is not counted as part of the 200K limit.
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jan 9 2014, 01:53 PM)
i can confirm that the sijil is calculated together into your initial investment limit
Then how would you explain the scenario i mentioned above where there was a 30K sijil in the account and then another 190K was pumped in mid last year?
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jan 10 2014, 11:26 AM)
Why not ask ASNB about it.  One problem if they found it's their mistake, then u may lose the "additional" investment amount (excluding dividend)  nod.gif

I would say "diam2 sudah" , don't need to ask ASNB smile.gif
Thats why im asking here. But if sijil's are not counted, then i need to know cuz i can then do it for 'mine'.
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QUOTE(masami @ Jan 10 2014, 02:35 PM)
so the earlier scenario given is not yours??
if that is the case then the person must have invested for a good numbers of years already.. then at one point he withdrew it.. at this point he must have gotten several k worths of dividend..plus the dividend from the 30k cert and 190k cash..so the is no mystery about the exceeded limit.

as i said earlier the only way for u to get more than 200k in asb is through accumulated dividend and bonus..another way is through inheritance.
Bro, i cant reveal everything la. The 30K sijil was invested in 2011/2012 while the 190K was invested in mid 2013. The dividends accumulated is not the issue at all whether the sijil was put in 10 yrs ago or otherwise. The 30K sijil was never withdrawn and neither has the 190K.

The point is that a total of 220K was invested in the account. How is this possible when the max investment limit is 200K? Thats the question im asking. Im not asking about the total remaining balance.
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jan 10 2014, 11:39 AM)
why not just "try" to add more cash into your ASB account. u said before got some extra money.  No harm trying right  smile.gif
This particular account has been maxed out already.
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jan 10 2014, 03:38 PM)
if it doesn't pose you any problem, why bother to push your issue here?

everyone has been saying the same thing, but you insist on your own theory
Im not pushing any theory here. Im asking for a clarification cuz i dont have the answer myself. Its the same question ive been asking from the start. How could a 30K sijil and 190K cash be invested in an ASB account if the sijil is included as part of the 200K limit as you say? Thats the fact of what has happened not a theory.

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jan 10 2014, 03:01 PM)
oic, I tot it's your account. so basically it's "other" people one

okay, why not u try to  "over" limit the account the "personal" account.  I mean "try" add above the limit.

some people would say it's impossible, why not just try your luck  nod.gif
Both maxed out.

Which is why im asking about sijils because if sijils are not counted as part of the 200K investment limit per account then i could try to use the 'sijil' method but i dont know how to go about doing it.

Must a sijil be a form of loan or can the cash be pumped in some other way? Example take a loan first to get it into the ASB but pay off the loan behind using the spare cash i have? Thats what im asking cuz i dont know ASB all that well.

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