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smartinvestor01
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Oct 9 2013, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 9 2013, 01:59 PM) Does anybody have any info about the new ASB2 e.g when will it be launched, what's the max investment limit per person, dividend rate, etc? I believe the announcement of ASB 2 will be during the tabulation of the Budget 2014 on 25 October 2013.. Therefore, you may check for the newspaper on 26 October 2013 on whether there is any news about it..
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wil-i-am
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Oct 9 2013, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 9 2013, 01:59 PM) Does anybody have any info about the new ASB2 e.g when will it be launched, what's the max investment limit per person, dividend rate, etc? Suggest u give a call to ASNB directly n check with them
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smartinvestor01
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Oct 9 2013, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 9 2013, 02:45 PM) Suggest u give a call to ASNB directly n check with them Yape, the best way is to call them.. Actually I give a call to them last week, they said still no news yet.. Hopefully there will be some news soon.. Haha.. anyone here who have news can share it here also..
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davinz18
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Oct 9 2013, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Oct 9 2013, 03:41 PM) Yape, the best way is to call them.. Actually I give a call to them last week, they said still no news yet.. Hopefully there will be some news soon.. Haha.. anyone here who have news can share it here also..  Lower ranking staff don't know much, only those in the top management level know better They would only get the news when they go for national level briefing or got internal memo from management
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wil-i-am
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Oct 9 2013, 04:15 PM
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Average bumi won't benefit from ASB2 scheme http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/243384
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cybermaster98
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Oct 9 2013, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 9 2013, 03:55 PM) Lower ranking staff don't know much, only those in the top management level know better They would only get the news when they go for national level briefing or got internal memo from management  That's the info im asking for.
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davinz18
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Oct 9 2013, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 9 2013, 04:34 PM) That's the info im asking for. then you need to wait a bit longer  I heard their still "searching" for the best structure for the fund
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davinz18
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Oct 9 2013, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 9 2013, 04:15 PM) Average bumi won't benefit from ASB2 scheme http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/243384as expected, no surprise to me
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hyelbaine
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Oct 9 2013, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 9 2013, 04:59 PM) then you need to wait a bit longer  I heard their still "searching" for the best structure for the fund  I don't envy them, it's a problem that I don't think anyone would want to have. Given the valuations of the equity market right now, it's going to take some hair-splitting brain-crunching headache-inducing pain to even come up with a competitive portfolio. Having to live up to the expectations of its older "brother" is not easy. Personally, I wouldn't want to be the fund manager or investment officer in charge of ASB2 to be honest. Personally what I find most irritating is, how our dear Mr. PM with just one speech over-ruled not only the SC but also BNM with complete disregard to what these 2 bodies are trying to put in place in terms of policies.
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davinz18
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Oct 9 2013, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Oct 9 2013, 05:17 PM) I don't envy them, it's a problem that I don't think anyone would want to have. Given the valuations of the equity market right now, it's going to take some hair-splitting brain-crunching headache-inducing pain to even come up with a competitive portfolio. Having to live up to the expectations of its older "brother" is not easy. Personally, I wouldn't want to be the fund manager or investment officer in charge of ASB2 to be honest. Personally what I find most irritating is, how our dear Mr. PM with just one speech over-ruled not only the SC but also BNM with complete disregard to what these 2 bodies are trying to put in place in terms of policies. I really pity those investment officer & those are on the ASB2 project. what can we say. When our beloved PM say something, people need to follow. His decision can over rule all the policy Anything can happen in BolehLand
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davinz18
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Oct 9 2013, 06:30 PM
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Viewpoint: Will the average Bumi, with RM611 in ASB, benefit from 10b new units?» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « WHEN Dato’ Seri Najib Razak first became prime minister, he promised national unity in the form of 1Malaysia and a New Economic Model (NEM) that preached needs-based economic intervention in favour of the bottom 40 per cent of household income earners regardless of race. This signalled a departure from the race-based policies from the past, and a clear indication that the way forward must include every Malaysian, especially those who most need help.
Unfortunately, Najib’s promises have all been undone with the recent launch of his new Bumiputera agenda. Dubbed the Bumiputera Economic Empowerment Agenda (BEEA), it entails a variety of race-based initiatives including the setting up of a powerful Bumiputera Economic Empowerment Council, the creation of Bumiputera Development Units in every ministry, an assurance that major Government-Linked Companies (GLCs) will increase Bumiputera vendor participation, as well as the launch of 10 billion units of new Skim Amanah Saham Bumiputera 2 (ASB2) shares by Permodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB).
While the NEM offered market liberalisation and needs-based affirmative action that would focus on narrowing the gap between the rich and poor, the BEEA appears to be a reversion to the old New Economic Policy (NEP) that has been proven to benefit mostly a select class of Umno-linked Malay capitalists at the expense of the poorer, unconnected masses.
This is made obvious by the fact that, despite four decades of supposed Bumiputera-targeted assistance, the bottom 40 per cent of Bumiputera households today earn a measly average income of RM1,686 per month. At the same time, the politically-connected rich are able to purchase RM7 million bungalows at a whim.
As such, the proposed launch of 10 billion ASB2 units is highly questionable. Who is set to benefit from more ASB shares made available? Would the bottom 40 per cent of Bumiputera households be able to invest in these high-yielding shares considering that they hardly earn enough to get by?
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hyelbaine
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Oct 9 2013, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 9 2013, 06:30 PM) This is made obvious by the fact that, despite four decades of supposed Bumiputera-targeted assistance, the bottom 40 per cent of Bumiputera households today earn a measly average income of RM1,686 per month. At the same time, the politically-connected rich are able to purchase RM7 million bungalows at a whim. The next time someone whines about bumi's not investing in ASB, they should read the above. However, I do wonder where does the author gets the figure from as it does seem to be rather low though. What would be interesting to know is just how many of the 8 or so million ASB account holders have maxed their investment in it. Anybody has a clue?
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davinz18
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Oct 9 2013, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Oct 9 2013, 06:40 PM) The next time someone whines about bumi's not investing in ASB, they should read the above. However, I do wonder where does the author gets the figure from as it does seem to be rather low though. What would be interesting to know is just how many of the 8 or so million ASB account holders have maxed their investment in it. Anybody has a clue? According to ASB 2012 report, got around 12,318 people have balance of 500k above. I'm sure these are the people that max their ASB It's also noted that 5.7 Million people hold rm5k & below in ASB. http://www.asnb.com.my/annualreport/ASB%20...0CD_120225a.pdf
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hyelbaine
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Oct 9 2013, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 9 2013, 06:51 PM) According to ASB 2012 report, got around 12,318 people have balance of 500k above. I'm sure these are the people that max their ASB It's also noted that 5.7 Million people hold rm5k & below in ASB. http://www.asnb.com.my/annualreport/ASB%20...0CD_120225a.pdfHhhmmmm... So let's assume that those above 200k is about 50,000 people or about 3x the number of 500k and above, if all 50,000 invest RM200k than the 10b fund cap would have been filled in no time  As for those with 5k and below, it's really important to see if these are regular investors. If they aren't than including them (one off investors due to inheritance or something similar) than including these group of people would skew the data by quite a lot
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davinz18
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Oct 9 2013, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Oct 9 2013, 07:23 PM) Hhhmmmm... So let's assume that those above 200k is about 50,000 people or about 3x the number of 500k and above, if all 50,000 invest RM200k than the 10b fund cap would have been filled in no time  As for those with 5k and below, it's really important to see if these are regular investors. If they aren't than including them (one off investors due to inheritance or something similar) than including these group of people would skew the data by quite a lot  If there's ASB2 loans, the figure would be higher. as for those 5k below, I think the numbers already reduced, maybe 4mil+ people only compare with 5.7mil last year
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nelanga
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Oct 10 2013, 11:27 AM
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gud morning all.. another less than 3mth to get dividen. hope higher % ----------------------------- my asb http://brunialamira.blogspot.com
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cybermaster98
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Oct 10 2013, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(nelanga @ Oct 10 2013, 11:27 AM) gud morning all.. another less than 3mth to get dividen. hope higher % Wont be higher. Gov no money and election is over. Ull be lucky to get even 8% (inc bonus)
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navink
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Oct 10 2013, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 10 2013, 11:44 AM) Wont be higher. Gov no money and election is over. Ull be lucky to get even 8% (inc bonus) sure ka? only 8% including bonus? i don't think so..
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hyelbaine
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Oct 10 2013, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 10 2013, 11:44 AM) Wont be higher. Gov no money and election is over. Ull be lucky to get even 8% (inc bonus) Goodness, what ever gave you that impression that PNB's dividends are provided by the government? Or if PNB is like Petronas and has to provide direct funds to the government for its operational use that eats into dividends that's supposed to be given to the investors? PNB is not like other GLIC's like Khazanah or Ekuinas which uses the government money and invests which then returns profits back to the government. PNB is a GLIC that pool's money from investors and providing profits it obtains back to the investors in dividend. PNB's funds are not guaranteed by the government or is it insured by institutions like PIDM, the same goes with other unit trust products in Malaysia. I would understand if you say it is quite a challenge to continue providing good dividends due to the sheer size of ASB itself or because PNB is only allowed to invest in local equities that yields are at a pinch but equating/assuming as you did it just boggles me. Even for PNB's funds that invest in government bonds or MGS, the returns on these structured products are fixed for as long as the government can honor payments at maturity. We may be in debt but it's nowhere near what the US govt is facing having to default entirely. I'm sorry for the retort but it get's tiring having to repeat the same stuff over and over and over and over and over again..... This post has been edited by hyelbaine: Oct 10 2013, 12:13 PM
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MGM
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Oct 10 2013, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Oct 10 2013, 12:00 PM) Even for PNB's funds that invest in government bonds or MGS, the returns on these structured products are fixed for as long as the government can honor payments at maturity. Maybe what he is trying to say is govt. no money to pay interest on these, and since election is over no need to create feel good enviroment, so lower dividend, No??
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