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post Aug 28 2013, 04:45 PM, updated 13y ago

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Dear all,

I am on a crossroad in between choosing a postgraduate studies (masters) in either
a) coursework
b) by research

A little bit about me:
- do not have a family yet
- full-time working in a university (lecturing and tutoring) - a total of 22 hours per week
- if I were to take Master by Research- I do not have to pay as I will be taking it from my uni (in return, I have to be bonded with my uni)
- if I were to take Master by Coursework- I have to pay at least RM20k (uni not funding any coursework degree)

I have been reading around this forum, and I've seen forumers stating that postgraduate by research holds lot of uncertainties.

I am very new in research as I've not done any research before even in my undergraduate.

What's your advise?

Should I go for masters by research or coursework?

People have told me to listen to my heart and what I really wanted. And the reason I am here is because, there's just so many things in my mind, that I can't decide properly. icon_question.gif

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post Aug 28 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(hakimnen @ Aug 28 2013, 04:54 PM)
Go for research if you intended to do phd after master..
Gomen got scholarship for both research and coursework, myBrain 15..pay only tuition fees..
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If I do not have intention for PhD after master, should I still go for research?

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post Aug 28 2013, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(jonoave @ Aug 28 2013, 09:21 PM)
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post Aug 30 2013, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(jonoave @ Aug 29 2013, 11:16 PM)
I'm a bit annoyed with the general obsession to take the shortest time. Doing things faster isn't necessarily better.

A Master's degree is a Master's degree.

Applying for PhD requires Masters, or some places might accept a first-class bachelors.
In PhD, you need to come upt with a doctoral thesis, which is like your final-year project in Bsc. Did you jump into your Bsc with your final-year project straightaway? No right?

You will spend the initial months or even first year mostly learning and bit of trial and error. If you obtained a Master's degree by coursework, then the learning curve is even bigger as you lack even more research skills and background. This is espeically true in the scientific field.

if social science, then maybe a Master by coursework or research doesn't make a big difference.
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For social sciences, Master by coursework or research gap is quite different too. For those going from master by coursework to PhD, they do lack research skills in terms of methodologies, theoretical frameworks and etc. hmm
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post Aug 30 2013, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(LoveMeNot @ Aug 30 2013, 08:51 AM)
I personally went for MSc by coursework due to time factor. Took me 1 1/2 years to complete it. Whereas for research I think it requires min of 2 years. I've seen some of my friends extended their master research up to 4 years. Dislike such uncertainties. I was in the teaching line as well btw.

And I do intend to pursue my PhD. In fact, I left my full time job and went for it last year-but it didn't worked out due to some issues with my supervisor.
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yea, actually i have thought about this alot. It's either MSc by coursework or research. About the time factor, I am lecturing full time, so by coursework or by research time to complete will almost be the same for me. But the only thing is that, there are plenty of uncertainties when it comes to research like for example: enrolment form getting delayed, candidacy delayed, the whole paper work process delayed (based on experience from other post graduate students from my university), and that is why I am a little reluctant.

and about supervisors, those who can work well with supervisors are really very blessed. My research with my previous supervisor did not work out well too. sad.gif Finally, the research came to a dead end. And now, I have another new supervisor. And he is quite hard to handle too. The pressure is literally building up. He loves to say "You do not have a choice!!" rclxub.gif rclxub.gif And this is the 2nd reason I do not want to start pursuing master.
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post Aug 30 2013, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 30 2013, 02:11 AM)
Before you extrapolate from the wisdom of crowds in this forum, could you tell us what real reasons you choose to get a Master's degree are?

(1) For the pursuit of knowledge
(2) For the prerequisite to becoming a college professor
(3) For future professional opportunities
(4) For fear of “the real world”
(5) For an ego boost

or what else? sweat.gif
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the real reasons that motivates me to pursue a master's degree is to earn the degree for personal satisfaction, career advancement, and ensure the continuous survival in the academic place. And somewhere in between all that, for the pursuit of knowledge too.

ego boost is not my thing blink.gif lols, so yeah, those are the reasons.
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QUOTE(jonoave @ Aug 30 2013, 07:24 AM)
If TS just wants a quick Master degree to advance a career outside academia, then yes.

But if he/she intends to pursue PhD or a research career, I disagree with your opinion. Making the leap into research at PhD level is quite difficult without a research background, and even more so as TS don't have research background even at degree level.

Sue he/she can learn by himself, but then he'll also spend more time at the initial stage just learning. So while he  might save time at the Master coursework level, he will still have to spend more time at PhD level to figure things out.
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Thanks jonoave, your posts are insightful. Yes, I would love to advance my career in academia, and has always been reminded by my dean, if you wanna be in academia, universities worldwide are competitive, hence knowing how to do research is alot better.

The thing is, I think I'm lack of determination, perseverance, commitment....since I am having problem of juggling between my full time job and studying.

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post Sep 2 2013, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 30 2013, 11:09 PM)
I feel so sorry for you. Could you tell your story a bit more for us? Perhaps there is something we [the wisdom of crowds] can cooperate to find the way forward. With our cognitive diversity, we will encourage a greater exchange of ideas. Just keep your past supervisor's name anonymous! wink.gif
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long story short..."blackmail" sad.gif
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post Sep 2 2013, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(leah235 @ Aug 31 2013, 02:19 AM)
Hi TS, I've been reading lots of response from fellow forummers and would like to contribute relevant insights:

You're offered by doing Masters by research
my question -
1) how many years will you bond to uni?
2)you're in science or social science field?

It would be great fund by uni as you do not have to worry about financial. As a student masters by research (me), I've seen and learnt from my friends that you have to:
1)follow the time frame -
each semester has standard or indicator to achieve, make yourself follow the timeline.

2)independence study -
you do what you wanna do, total freedom.

3)sleepless night? -
I think degree life used to made my day turned upside down and turned me into living owl lol.

4) extend your study issue -
if you don't follow the timeline or your own schedule, well, you'll know where you'll end up at. Make a gant chart of your own study and always stick to it.

5) make your supervisor as your bestfriend-
you'll be treated as a friend or a guest-alike when you have a good manner towards uni staff and lecturer. Always be thoughtful, like wish your supervisor's on special days like CNY, holiday or birthday.

It's actually not that hard to do a proposal or to complete a theses, you'll be learning a lot stuff and have great in-depth of your research problem. You'll not learning if you never commit mistakes. Mistakes make you mature over time. You'll spend your time reading more facts and reliable sources of figures and so forth.
The beauty of research is, you only do one thing at one time.

You know that by conducting research, you actually will contribute a great insight to improve societies' lives. To measure your research or keep on track with research, always try to publish the progress of your work. It could be from your LR (publish as content analysis paper), from pilot study etc.

As long as you're on track of time doing your research, it's OK.
If you ask me why I vote for research mode, my answer : suka hati saya mau tulis apa dalam research saya la! itu saya punya hasil!!!!!!! leulz cool2.gif

As for coursework - you'll have to pay the fees from your pocket. hm.
You'll able to grad on time, just follow the syllabus. And, complete a dissertation.
Like degree, but higher passing marks and strict marking scheme lol.
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Hi, to answer your questions:

I will be bonded to my uni for 3 years maximum. And I'm in the social sciences field. It's good to know that your relationship with your supervisor is good. My main supervisor is chasing his own KPI and dun care about my research well-being. Luckily, my co-supervisor is really understanding smile.gif

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post Sep 2 2013, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 2 2013, 09:29 PM)
In Malaysia, are large corporations expected to give something back to their communities in the form of charitable projects?

Since CSR is your area of study and research, has CSR become an important consideration for managers at all levels in Malaysia?
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Yups, CSR has become one of the significant factor for investors to make an investment decision. If a company did not care about the impact of its operations on the society and environment, this will affect the corporate reputation. Also, CSR now is more like a PR tool used by companies to show that they care for us, the society (giving scholarships, treating employees nicely, produce good quality products, keep the environment clean and plenty more).

but if you say for managers of all levels...then I'm not too sure. According to some research, government-linked companies will do more CSR than private companies. So, these managers still will have different priorities.

to answer your first question:
not only large corporations are expected to give something back to the communities, even small corporations are also encouraged to do so. Recently, Bursa Malaysia stated that it is mandatory for all listed companies to report their CSR activities. Charitable projects or not, it is up to the company. CSR has alot of branches (community, environment, human resource, etc) so some company might be good at one, and the other company might be good at another.

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Aug 30 2013, 10:58 PM)
(1) What kind of determination is that determination?

(2) What kind of perseverance is that perseverance?

(3) What kind of commitment is that commitment?
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haha...hmmm

1) determination to do my research everyday, to keep on reading and reading, collecting data. Can't afford to take time so loosely anymore.

2) persevere like for e.g. wrote a paper, send in for review, it came back with alot of comments and corrections. Especially from supervisor, then have to keep on rewriting, re-researching,

or another is, when my working/teaching hours is really over the roof, like this semester, i still also have to find time to do my readings though I'm tired as zzzz. I've been standing all day long in classes for lectures and tutorials, and when I got back home, I still have to look at my laptop and start reading and typing cry.gif shocking.gif

3) commitment....I can't afford to quit it halfway right? tongue.gif So, I have to be committed till the end.



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QUOTE(leah235 @ Sep 3 2013, 11:45 AM)
Well, TS, based on your replies, I think you've made up your mind.

You prefer to do Masters by coursework.

So, does your financial is an issue?
BTW, bond with uni for 3 years is quite a short period. smile.gif
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Oh no la. I've made up my mind to do Masters by research. I've actually done my proposal and submitted it. And I've also already enrolled. I will be starting everything this December.

But one thing though, I really want to ask this to many people, but I'm afraid of asking the wrong person in my uni. How do you handle your supervisor? This is the very real reason behind why I'm afraid to take Masters by research.

Based on your reply, you said "If you ask me why I vote for research mode, my answer : suka hati saya mau tulis apa dalam research saya la! itu saya punya hasil!!!!!!! leulz cool2.gif "

I used to think like this bah Leah. Suka hati I wanna collect my data la. All my data are available in annual reports, bagi I use secondary data collection la. Tak perlu susah susah apply ethics, interview, survey...(buang masa). And my supervisor 2 agreed with me.


But now I got 2 different supervisors.

Supervisor 1 (not from my area): told me to do things that are out of my hand. And very possibly, my research will be dragged and delayed due to this method.

Supervisor 2 (the one who provided me with the ideas for my topic, has PhD in the area I'm researching on):- told me that it is not needed to do things that my Supervisor 1 said. And has told me to stick with secondary data collection.


And for myself, for my data collection, I really would prefer what my supervisor 2 told me to do.

I memang tak pandai wanna handle my supervisor 1. So any advise?

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QUOTE(alanchong88 @ Sep 3 2013, 10:41 PM)
Between the two, who is your main supervisor?

I know one of my colleague who has problems with his main supervisor. His research plans were well accepted by co-supervisors and other lecturers but not his main supervisor. His main supervisor wants the research to be in his(sv) direction.. While he defended his work, the relationship seemed somewhat strained. It is really a dilemma.
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Supervisor 1 is my main supervisor. My co-supervisor (supervisor 2) agrees to my research method, my colleagues too. Only my main sv has different opinion as my main sv wants my research method to be according to his/her direction. Thats why kinda difficult.

As leah says above, "this is my research, i do whatever i can". In my case, it is not that easy as there are 2 differing views from my supervisory team. And also, im afraid the relationship will turn sour...so i just kept quiet about it.
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QUOTE(leah235 @ Sep 4 2013, 10:15 AM)
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I used to have diff/contradict ideas between 2 supervisors.
How I handle it:
1) If possible, set meeting with both supervisors at same time and same place.
2) If not, ask supervisor 1 to give his/her feedback and opinion to supervisor 2.
3) Supervisor 2 seems flexible, maybe he/she can persuade or talk to supervisor 1.
4) Usually, supervisor 2 provides good materials / readings/ideas. Use these strength to build your LR and write ups.
5)So, regarding method, you may refer to supervisor 1. HOWEVER, if supervisor 1 wants it to be his/her way, seek assistance/opinion from postgrad lecturers regarding your research (but this one must keep to your own only. If report to supervisor 1, confirm kena marah lol)
6) If you think your method is better, provide the significance and gantt chart to your supervisor 1 for consideration (if you insist to keep with your time frame)
7) If your supervisor 1 memang keras kepala kaw-kaw, then, just follow her way................ but, make use of your own method too if it seems possible.

8) Don't argue with supervisor 1, always sounds persuasive. If she/he talks, just follow and jot it down. Jadi lah anak murid yang baik.

9) Do your homework. Regarding your research, lets say you found 10 LR/journal - write down their
a) authors
b) empirical setting
c) method/sample size
d)research focus
e) results
Please refer to this link regarding LR comparison I've mention just now. (the picture's too big)
10) good luck in "negotiation" with super saiyan 1. lol whistling.gif
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Supervisor 1 has no background in whatsoever that I am doing. Susah la rclxub.gif
Every night I cannot sleep thinking of this?
Should I terminate Supervisor 1 from my thesis?

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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Sep 4 2013, 02:55 PM)
leah235's approach might work well in your case. Apart from this, be a happy student just like Him and apply Richard Koch's 80/20 Principle in your research. By the way, you have been saying about the issue has something to do with your main supervisor's direction. What kind of direction is that direction? The reason I ask that is that in order to survive the unthinkable in doctorate, I will need to understand your situation whether it is People Problem or Problem People.

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My direction:
1) Prepare for candidacy
2) Collect data and analyse
3) Write thesis and submit
4) Graduate!

Main Supervisor direction:
1) Write ISI papers (pushing for 3 ISI papers published per year)
2) Ask me to attend workshops on behalf of him/her because he/she could not attend it. However, he/she needs the notes but cannot stay in the seminar for long. So, I have to be there to jot down notes for him/her. These workshops and seminars has nothing to do with me.
3) He/she loves to say "You do not have a choice." Even my own boss doesn't say this to me. zzz
4) I only want to enrol for Masters by Research. He/she wants me to enrol for PhD. (Note: I do not have any background on researching at all. Researching/thesis writing is not covered in undergraduate level).

I cannot sleep every night because of this.
First, he/she is my main supervisor. I must listen is it? Dun I have a choice? sad.gif
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QUOTE(leah235 @ Sep 9 2013, 09:15 PM)
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OK, I read it all.

TS, your supervisor is a male or female?
Maybe you can talk to SV that you can publish conference paper/proceeding paper.....and if you get lucky, you'll get to publish into ISI.

Have you talk about your concern to the main SV? Like how you share in LYN?
IMO, just follow for one semester first.
But, if you have discussed with SV and still not working, you shall seek assistance from Head of Postgrad / whoever incharge in student-SV relationship.

internal -> mediator -> external

Sure you do not want to cause any bad things in doing your research, right?

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My main supervisor is male.

I have talk to him about this before, but all he has to say is "We will talk about this later". And the later never comes.

Since I do not want to wait about his "later", I wrote an email to him about my concerns. But until today, I received no replies whatsoever from him.
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QUOTE(leah235 @ Sep 9 2013, 10:39 PM)
Well, you may do inquiry and report to person in charge.  Of course,  you wouldn't want to jeopardise your study. nod.gif
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im waiting for him to come back and talk to me about his. I dun want to jeopardize my studies too, but if i dun take control of my own study, then he will. mad.gif mad.gif
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QUOTE(leah235 @ Sep 10 2013, 02:52 PM)
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that's the spirit.
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alright. Finally, decision have been made. He is no longer my supervisor.
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QUOTE(Critical_Fallacy @ Oct 17 2013, 05:41 PM)
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