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TSsimchengheng
post Aug 25 2013, 10:54 AM, updated 13y ago

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Guys, please give me some suggestion for camera. I am a beginner. want to shoot:

1.) night view
2.) motion (like object static, but background blur with motion)
3.) macro
4.) sky shoot (might almost or indirect sun light)
5.) low light enviroment

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Recommendations of what camera to get, are mostly based on user experience or information on what's good or whatnot. What we recommend is based on what we know, so don't take our word for granted! Do your own homework smile.gif

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DSLR[body only] recommended for

RM1-2k
Canon 600D
Nikon D5100
Nikon D3100
RM2-3k
Canon 650D
Nikon D5200
Nikon D3200
Sony A65
RM3-4k
D7000
Canon 60D
RM4k
Sony A77
Canon 7D
Nikon D300s
RM6k
Nikon D600
Canon 6D

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Compact system camera with fixed lens:

RM2.5k below
Sony RX100 with 1" sensor
Fujifilm X100 with 35mm f/2 fixed lens
Canon G1-X
Olympus XZ-2
Panasonic Lumix LX7
Canon S110

Mirrorless system cameras

RM4-5k
Fuji X-PRO 1
Olympus OM-D E-M5

RM3k
NEX-5R
Canon EOS M

RM2k below
Sony NEX-3N
Nikon V1/J1
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what is the different between mirrirless system and compact system with fixed lens?

is this recomandation and price guide still valid? as it is indeed a bit out dated.

if i wanna to carry around when travel, hiking or some random shoot, is the dslr too bulky?

This post has been edited by simchengheng: Aug 25 2013, 03:11 PM
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post Aug 25 2013, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(simchengheng @ Aug 25 2013, 10:54 AM)
Guys, please give me some suggestion for camera. I am a beginner. want to shoot:

1.) night view
2.) motion (like object static, but background blur with motion)
3.) macro
4.) sky shoot (might almost or indirect sun light)
5.) low light enviroment
what is the different between mirrirless system and compact system with fixed lens?

is this recomandation and price guide still valid? as it is indeed a bit out dated.

if i wanna to carry around when travel, hiking or some random shoot, is the dslr too bulky?
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As the term "compact system with fixed lens", it simply means you can't change the lens that's on the camera body. While with mirrorless, you can change lenses, just that a mirrorless lacks a mirror as you have on a DSLR.

If you are a beginner and don't know anything about DSLR, and you say you going to hike or travel, getting a compact camera will be the best choice.

If you buy a DSLR or mirrorless, you will easily end up buying more and more lenses, as each lenses have their dedicated purpose to achieve the best image quality.

With a compact, it will merge all the different lenses together (well... not true actually, since the IQ will be lower than those expensive lenses), but if you just use it for casual shooting, it suits you a lot better, you can save the fuss of changing lenses or bringing heavy gears outside.

hmmm... I think the RX100 will be a good choice, you get zoom and various function. If you want purely good IQ, it will be the fujifilm x100, but you can't zoom on that camera and controling it might be confusing for newbies as the dials and user interface are different from normal cameras.

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post Aug 25 2013, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Aug 25 2013, 11:48 AM)
As the term "compact system with fixed lens", it simply means you can't change the lens that's on the camera body. While with mirrorless, you can change lenses, just that a mirrorless lacks a mirror as you have on a DSLR.

If you are a beginner and don't know anything about DSLR, and you say you going to hike or travel, getting a compact camera will be the best choice.

If you buy a DSLR or mirrorless, you will easily end up buying more and more lenses, as each lenses have their dedicated purpose to achieve the best image quality.

With a compact, it will merge all the different lenses together (well... not true actually, since the IQ will be lower than those expensive lenses), but if you just use it for casual shooting, it suits you a lot better, you can save the fuss of changing lenses or bringing heavy gears outside.

hmmm... I think the RX100 will be a good choice, you get zoom and various function. If you want purely good IQ, it will be the fujifilm x100, but you can't zoom on that camera and controling it might be confusing for newbies as the dials and user interface are different from normal cameras.

Hope this helps.  smile.gif
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erm.. what is the difference for x100 and x100s? is it worth the money for x100s? difference by RM1k++
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post Aug 25 2013, 04:35 PM

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the list is A BIT outdated. not much point doing for a nikon D7000 or D300s when D7100 is in the market.

as much as i love the fuji x100/x100s (kumpul duit!), i wont recommend it for someone new to photography like yourself. this camera comes with a fixed 35mm equivalent lens, meaning you cant zoom in or zoom out. while there's a lot of ppl like me who love this kind of lens, it's not for everyone due to its limitations.

mostly we start with a zoom lens, n from there we would 'discover' which focal length we like. for those u end up liking 35mm, can go for x100/s.

differences btwn x100 and x100s: x100s supposedly produce sharper images and faster autofocus. the x100 autofocus speed is fine for most people, ull only realise the reduce in speed if ure used to DSLR-level autofocus speed.

since u mentioned hiking, then DSLR is out.

just like mingyuyu, i recommend the sony rx100. 2nd choice would be panasonic lx-7 / olympus xz-2 / canon s110.
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post Aug 25 2013, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Aug 25 2013, 04:35 PM)
the list is A BIT outdated. not much point doing for a nikon D7000 or D300s when D7100 is in the market.

as much as i love the fuji x100/x100s (kumpul duit!), i wont recommend it for someone new to photography like yourself. this camera comes with a fixed 35mm equivalent lens, meaning you cant zoom in or zoom out. while there's a lot of ppl like me who love this kind of lens, it's not for everyone due to its limitations.

mostly we start with a zoom lens, n from there we would 'discover' which focal length we like. for those u end up liking 35mm, can go for x100/s.

differences btwn x100 and x100s: x100s supposedly produce sharper images and faster autofocus. the x100 autofocus speed is fine for most people, ull only realise the reduce in speed if ure used to DSLR-level autofocus speed.

since u mentioned hiking, then DSLR is out.

just like mingyuyu, i recommend the sony rx100. 2nd choice would be panasonic lx-7 / olympus xz-2 / canon s110.
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thanks for comment.. i now choosing fuji x100 or sony rx100 lo.. any other factor to help me choose between the two? heard that IQ for x100 is better, but it is hard to focus in low light condition. is it true?
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Hi i would like to know which to choose , Canon 100D or Canon 650D ?
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QUOTE(simchengheng @ Aug 25 2013, 04:45 PM)
thanks for comment.. i now choosing fuji x100 or sony rx100 lo.. any other factor to help me choose between the two? heard that IQ for x100 is better, but it is hard to focus in low light condition. is it true?
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IQ definitely X100 is better since it has a bigger sensor

errr about focusing in low light...both should do well i think? not really sure.

also worth considering is fuji x100 has a viewfinder, not sure if u want this. rx100 m2 is coming by the way tongue.gif with wifi and tilting screen (again, not sure if u want or not)
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post Aug 25 2013, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(simchengheng @ Aug 25 2013, 04:45 PM)
thanks for comment.. i now choosing fuji x100 or sony rx100 lo.. any other factor to help me choose between the two? heard that IQ for x100 is better, but it is hard to focus in low light condition. is it true?
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i personally dun feel hard to focus at night la...even with the AF assist light turn off, Sony RX100 is very gooding in IQ when come to pixel peeping

is a B&W pic but is shot at night la, but i can say that the focus is dead on, blow up 200% no problem
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in the end i would recommend you to start with the Sony RX100, since you are a beginner, learn what is all about shutter speed, aperture and iso, master it then only join Fuji also not late..but if you wanted the X100 so badly (quite poisoning for me, especially the design), you will have a very steep learning curve, but if you can pick up very fast and good, why not?

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post Aug 26 2013, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(lamjunrong @ Aug 25 2013, 08:07 PM)
i personally dun feel hard to focus at night la...even with the AF assist light turn off, Sony RX100 is very gooding in IQ when come to pixel peeping

is a B&W pic but is shot at night la, but i can say that the focus is dead on, blow up 200% no problem
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Sup? by Junrong LuLu, on Flickr

in the end i would recommend you to start with the Sony RX100, since you are a beginner, learn what is all about shutter speed, aperture and iso, master it then only join Fuji also not late..but if you wanted the X100 so badly (quite poisoning for me, especially the design), you will have a very steep learning curve, but if you can pick up very fast and good, why not?

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Hawker by Junrong LuLu, on Flickr
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thanks mate... i think i will go for x100. it is indeed a camera that i can use for years. why not? anyway, is it worth the money for x100s upgrade? RM1.4k in difference.. if i wanna take gt or race car shoot, want to have effect of motion, like the car is static in photo, but the background moving backward, x100 can do this? i have do it using a dslr before, half press focus the race car, follow it then shoot, then drag camera somemore.. effect is very nice.

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I may be wrong, but based on what I've read, The X100 is pretty bad at acquiring fucus right? Not really suitable if you are looking to take photos of moving subject or under dimmed conditions (Maybe can ask for user experiences at the Fujifilm thread, I've seen some users there frustrated because of this limitation. The X100s though is a different story, much more improvements)

The RX100 is faster and might actually suit you better. The bigger sensor will bring you much benefits too hehe~
Managed to play with one yesterday, pretty impressive although the P mode is sometimes a bit stupid haha icon_rolleyes.gif
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Fuji X100 has only one Continuous center AF point, which is not cross type or whatever found on DSLR, Fuji is not for speed and panning photography, you only have a 23mm lens, moving sports car on the track is too far for you to track them, but in the other hand, fuji is meant for these brows.gif

i use X100 for the event yesterday the whole day, haha, quite interesting that many pro slr user say can i have one x100? my neck is broken....but somehow i feel very small as everything bazooka is big and long...then i 'improvise', i go close and get head shots...
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if RM1.4k is very big for you, then grab the RX100 before the RX100II come out, i dun really recommend you to take on Fuji X100 first hand, or you gonna have a very steep learning curve, i was a FF user before so everything come handy with fuji external aperture and shutter control

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QUOTE(lamjunrong @ Aug 26 2013, 10:41 AM)
Fuji X100 has only one Continuous center AF point, which is not cross type or whatever found on DSLR, Fuji is not for speed and panning photography, you only have a 23mm lens, moving sports car on the track is too far for you to track them, but in the other hand, fuji is meant for these brows.gif

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if RM1.4k is very big for you, then grab the RX100 before the RX100II come out, i dun really recommend you to take on Fuji X100 first hand, or you gonna have a very steep learning curve, i was a FF user before so everything come handy with fuji external aperture and shutter control
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QUOTE(simchengheng @ Aug 26 2013, 09:29 AM)
thanks mate... i think i will go for x100. it is indeed a camera that i can use for years. why not? anyway, is it worth the money for x100s upgrade? RM1.4k in difference.. if i wanna take gt or race car shoot, want to have effect of motion, like the car is static in photo, but the background moving backward, x100 can do this? i have do it using a dslr before, half press focus the race car, follow it then shoot, then drag camera somemore.. effect is very nice.
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i think u mean those panning shots. u probably can do it with the x100 but i imagine it's not easy since ure fixed with the 35mm equiv lens. lens with longer focal length would suit better for this type of photography (u have to be very close to a fast moving race car to produce the same shot...think of your safety!)

 

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