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TSpuimun1211
post Aug 25 2013, 02:43 AM, updated 13y ago

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Hi.
Anyone can advise and recommend mircoless camera?
Microless Camera nice to use?
Any different Microless and DSLR?

Thanks.
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post Aug 25 2013, 03:15 AM

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did you meant to write MIRRORLESS instead of MICRO-LESS?
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post Aug 25 2013, 04:53 PM

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hahahaha

u meant mirrorless.

difference with DSLR? it's MIRRORLESS. that's why they're more compact, unlike DSLRs which has to be huge to have a mirror inside it (the 'R' in DSLR stands for reflex).

quality wise, both can give out very very good photos. no need to know the technical stuff too much...a good photographer with a cheap mirrorless camera can take much better photos compared to a bad photographer with the high end DSLR.

i'd recommend a mirrorless system for u. very convenient.
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post Aug 25 2013, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Aug 25 2013, 05:53 PM)
hahahaha

u meant mirrorless.

difference with DSLR? it's MIRRORLESS. that's why they're more compact, unlike DSLRs which has to be huge to have a mirror inside it (the 'R' in DSLR stands for reflex).

quality wise, both can give out very very good photos. no need to know the technical stuff too much...a good photographer with a cheap mirrorless camera can take much better photos compared to a bad photographer with the high end DSLR.

i'd recommend a mirrorless system for u. very convenient.
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post Aug 25 2013, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Aug 25 2013, 04:53 PM)
hahahaha

u meant mirrorless.

difference with DSLR? it's MIRRORLESS. that's why they're more compact, unlike DSLRs which has to be huge to have a mirror inside it (the 'R' in DSLR stands for reflex).

quality wise, both can give out very very good photos. no need to know the technical stuff too much...a good photographer with a cheap mirrorless camera can take much better photos compared to a bad photographer with the high end DSLR.

i'd recommend a mirrorless system for u. very convenient.
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I also recommend mirrorless. Quality wise just got a bit difference.
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post Aug 25 2013, 09:48 PM

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More so if you want the lite weight and be stealth.

I choose it because of weight and size limitation when I travel. If you wait a bit longer hopefully by end of this year, they are releasing a full sensor version so that will be the full head on challenge against DSLR top of range boys - which they are holding fort. hmm.gif

Of cos the big boys will always shunt you ... mine bigger and heavier brows.gif so must APPEAR better and PRO .. like the old days when the use to joke over Olympus OM1. Until they start lugging them around for hours climbing up Mt Kinablau mad.gif!!
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post Aug 25 2013, 11:03 PM

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Sony A99 is a mirrorless. It's definitely not compact. smile.gif

Typically Mirrorless refers to any camera that does not have reflex mirrors.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 25 2013, 11:03 PM)
Sony A99 is a mirrorless. It's definitely not compact. smile.gif

Typically Mirrorless refers to any camera that does not have reflex mirrors.
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Eh is it? I thought there's still a mirror inside? And the technology is called "semi translucent mirror", just that it doesn't have a normal optical viewfinder.
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post Aug 25 2013, 11:16 PM

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Well, I've always considered them as Mirrorless as the said mirror refers to that flapping thingamajig (reflex mirror) on DSLR.

Sure, those Sony ones are using semi-transparent fixed mirror but that's not the same as the reflex mirror.

One source that sees it the way I see is Mr Rockwell - http://www.kenrockwell.com/sony/a99.htm

Nevertheless the general public still view the DSLT as an SLR. tongue.gif And even other sites don't call them mirrorless. LOL.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 25 2013, 11:16 PM)
Well, I've always considered them as Mirrorless as the said mirror refers to that flapping thingamajig (reflex mirror) on DSLR.

Sure, those Sony ones are using semi-transparent fixed mirror but that's not the same as the reflex mirror in which I believe what "mirrorless" was referring to.

One source that sees it the way I see is Mr Rockwell - http://www.kenrockwell.com/sony/a99.htm
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hmm... but for most people, the mirrorless terms stand for those m4/3 or NEX kind of camera.

In my opinion, those DSLT still aren't mirrorless, but they are someway between mirrorless and DSLR, that's what makes them unique.

And as most mirrorless, the light just went through the lens hitting the sensor straightaway (not only when pressing the shutter) , when you detach the lens, the sensor is exposed. but the sony isn't the same.
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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Aug 25 2013, 11:21 PM)
hmm... but for most people, the mirrorless terms stand for those m4/3 or NEX kind of camera.
yeah that's the common reference.

to what I remember, Mirrorless was introduced before SLT (can someone verify this?)

it was called mirrorless because it doesn't have a reflex mirror.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirrorless_in...ble-lens_camera

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The mirrorless interchangeable-lens camera (MILC) is a class of digital system cameras. This type of cameras provide interchangeable lens mount. They do not have a mirror reflex optical viewfinder.


biggrin.gif Well, no matter how Sony pushes the DSLT - people still see it as DSLR. haha.
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Aug 25 2013, 05:53 PM)
hahahaha

u meant mirrorless.

difference with DSLR? it's MIRRORLESS. that's why they're more compact, unlike DSLRs which has to be huge to have a mirror inside it (the 'R' in DSLR stands for reflex).

quality wise, both can give out very very good photos. no need to know the technical stuff too much...a good photographer with a cheap mirrorless camera can take much better photos compared to a bad photographer with the high end DSLR.

i'd recommend a mirrorless system for u. very convenient.
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well explained. I personally sell Sony camera. Its always been my pleasure to make DSLR fag butthurts when comparing mirroless and DSLR...

QUOTE(ChinWY @ Aug 25 2013, 10:48 PM)
More so if you want the lite weight and be stealth. 

I choose it because of weight and size limitation when I travel.  If you wait a bit longer hopefully by end of this year, they are releasing a full sensor version so that will be the full head on challenge against DSLR top of range boys - which they are holding fort. hmm.gif

Of cos the big boys will always shunt you ... mine bigger and heavier brows.gif so must APPEAR better and PRO  .. like the old days when the use to joke over Olympus OM1.  Until they start lugging them around for hours climbing up Mt Kinablau  mad.gif!!
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Wait you see Sony make a Full frame NEX.. all DSLR user will spend more on vaseline than their SLR lenses. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(xiaotim @ Aug 25 2013, 11:33 PM)
well explained. I personally sell Sony camera. Its always been my pleasure to make DSLR fag butthurts when comparing mirroless and DSLR...
Wait you see Sony make a Full frame NEX.. all DSLR user will spend more on vaseline than their SLR lenses. laugh.gif
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well... i don't deny that mirrorless offers great image quality in a small package, but there are still advantages of DSLR. Don't tell me you gonna shoot sports with a mirrorless tongue.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 25 2013, 11:03 PM)
Sony A99 is a mirrorless. It's definitely not compact. smile.gif

Typically Mirrorless refers to any camera that does not have reflex mirrors.
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yeah those DSLTs kinda spoil the definition of the word mirrorless... so whats a good term to describe those m4/3 and NEX cameras? haha

n yeah ill keep on calling DSLTs as DSLRs instead of mirrorless, i dont care! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dvlzplayground @ Aug 25 2013, 11:43 PM)
yeah those DSLTs kinda spoil the definition of the word mirrorless... so whats a good term to describe those m4/3 and NEX cameras? haha

n yeah ill keep on calling DSLTs as DSLRs instead of mirrorless, i dont care! tongue.gif
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DSLT spoil everything la. tongue.gif haha. Look also like DSLR but say it's not, then have to spend time to explain the technology. hehe.
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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Aug 26 2013, 12:41 AM)
well... i don't deny that mirrorless offers great image quality in a small package, but there are still advantages of DSLR. Don't tell me you gonna shoot sports with a mirrorless tongue.gif
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ok ok now back to the question

QUOTE(puimun1211 @ Aug 25 2013, 02:43 AM)
Hi.
Anyone can advise and recommend mircoless camera?
Microless Camera nice to use?
Any different Microless and DSLR?

Thanks.
MIRRORLESS

which to recommend? depends on your budget and what you want to shoot.

the options are many.

is mirrorless nice to use? yes, they are nice to use.

Mirrorless is of course, different from DSLR yet all of them works to capture images.
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post Aug 26 2013, 09:33 AM

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I like mirrorless for two main reasons.

1. Very compact. ie I can stick my camera with a 55-210 lens into my trouser pocket quite easily.
2. The ease to adapt/use most manual lens out there and that include some very exotic lens from large format camera ( but it make the len/camera setup too huge to fit into my pocket!).

Xiaotim .. agree with your statement. yes i am a NEX user, I deliberately kept the brand out of discussion. Yes, there will be sour garpes screaming blood after that! and many will choose to live in denial even today over the APSC sensor issue instead of being objective. I guess that is why marketing people love these people - BRAND LOYALTY.

I did a quick survey on my uninformed camera friends over these issues and what all of them agree is, ah , will you trust a pro shooting your wedding photo with this dinky camera of yours? MUST be seen with the N or C camera with those BIG lens! then you look like a pro.. (i think some mainland chinese call it BIG GUN?) These are typical uninformed consumer. I sometimes wonder how these people will react if one were to use a digital medium format or Leica for their photo shoot?
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Full frame sensors are overrated. tongue.gif

Many of them mind so set on Full Frame sensor, going anything like mirrorless using 43 or APS-C sensor to them is a big no no.
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post Aug 26 2013, 05:21 PM

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The mirrorless interchangeable-lens camera (MILC) is a class of digital system cameras. This type of cameras provide interchangeable lens mount. You can choose Sony Alpha NEX-6 or Canon EOS-M Mirrorless Digital Camera.

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