This thread is to discuss about Gladiator Class and it's job Paladin, theorycrafting, strategy, combo rotation, and more.


Topic debacle of the century! STR vs DEX! xD

This post has been edited by shojikun: Aug 24 2013, 10:23 AM

Still waiting for legacy player discuss more about it, seam both not impact so much on end game, but which 30 point worth to add up. I more concern about end game gear which have variety types if i not wrong. One of this is skill speed. Not sure how much it will impact the game play thou.

indeed and in truth, we veteran also dunno yet hahahaha

Another Gladiator check-in

same here Gladiator.. WIN!!.

erm noob question here...why is it need to debate between str and dex? since if not mistaken dex add range dmg and this seems useless for gld? imho str would be better to increase their dmg for better emity generation? or is there any hidden facts that is not reveal through the benefit of dex?

This post has been edited by intothefantasy: Aug 26 2013, 03:46 PM

dex increase probability to Parry & Block

dex increase probability to Parry & Block

It is a class designed to shout "IN YOUR FACE!".
So my usual stats of choice is VIT and DEX. If i want to DPS, i am better off levelling a Lancer or Pugilist.

DEX is for block and parry chance.
VIT for bigger HP pool. The old saying goes.... the more the better!

Enmity generation for GLA is mostly thru skills, like Savage blade, Flash and Rage of Halone (My favourite!).
To me, a GLA/PLD will never out dps a pure dps class, else all the dps class will be raging at PLD calling them imbalance!
We rely on skill with extra enmity generation for the job. Just my two cents...

This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Aug 26 2013, 04:17 PM

There are no hidden facts anymore iinm. Back in 1.0, PIE used to increase ranged damage for Bards lulz. I guess stat allocation will be purely on the basis of improving EHP and emnity-generation. What I want to know is whether stat caps are still present or not.

oh my bad cause i read it wrongly for STR...thought is the chance for blk and parry but instead is the amount of mitigation from blk and parry...i guess high dex would be nice but not that high than str...maybe like 10 str 15 dex? or 20? i duno haha

i add wrongly also , full vit =x

Doesn't matter. Still contributes to EHP.

level 16 gladiator reporting in

Which is a better tanker
Paladin or Marauder?

I heard rumors fly around that Marauder can do a better job as in (AOE tank, and it can be off-tank too)?

But it appears to me that Paladin is like a pure tanker?

Anyone can shed some light? or share some external link?

Thank you

Finally i start playing my Glad after maxing my bard. I just start tanking in dungeon which seam hard because taunt share global CD with other atk skill, kind of kill the fun :/. any tips on tanking in dungeon? skill rotation ect

only use taunt for taking back Monster who loose gate. and is actually Provoke. use your combo Fast Blade & Savage Blade as they are the most common enmity generator for a GLA,

To start, first with Shield Lob Lv.15 Class quest skill. then Flash if there is more than 1 mob, then do your Combo Fast Blade & Savage Blade.

Try to rotate your combo to different target as well. This way your DPS can dish out faster AOE damage on all monsters.

taunt use flash skill? no? so 1st atk i use shield lob then + flash before fast blade + savage blade and repeat.

Flash is well not exactly what you think as a Taunt, the Flash skill generate Enmity but do not have high enmity give back, so spamming Flash does not retain hate.

I usually do this :

1) Pull mob with shield lob.
2) Start with savage blade for first attack, usually in dungeon, when pulling one mob will result in 2 or 3. (I have tanked up to Haukke Manor, not yet tried the rest).
3) Flash when the other mobs surround you.
4) Another savage blade on main mob.
5) Start rotating Savage blade on the other 2 mob.
6) Comes back to my first mob, savage blade again.
7) Another flash for insurance (Especially if you have archer in the group, they do damage real fast)
8) After that it is pretty much tank depending on situation....

I also have a habit of moving to the next mob, when the main one has less than 10% health. I start building enmity on the second, so when the DPS comes in i don't lose it.
That is just me, i suppose at high level, tanking may be totally different....

Btw, if you read the tool tip of the skill only Savage blade have additional enmity generation. Fast blade is just regular attack. So it is worth while to spam savage blade at the start to get enough hate on you...


I also agree on this, from the few dungeon i am tanking in, i have come to the conclusion that flash skill hate does not stick. It is a one time enmity generation, which loses it value over a period of time. So best to stick in a few savage blade to make it stick.

This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Sep 2 2013, 11:34 AM

If you mean high lv dungeon, ifrit hardmode, usually paladin with be offtank so can use stun to interupt ifrit skill haha.

Oh you mean those AOE effect skills? Since i only have Shield Bash now, i use that for interrupt, but it appears not to be 100% effective. My only gripe is Shield Bash share same cooldown as the rest of the skills. So sometimes when you need it, it is on GCD....

This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Sep 2 2013, 11:58 AM

yeah thats why in ifrit hardmode, paladin job just to stun, so he will normal atk all the way.

Paladin 37 reporting in. Currently all the bonus stats points I have not distributed it yet. I'm torn between adding Vit, Dex or Str. I got mixed responses when I ask people.

One camp says to apply all points to Vit because we have good damage mitigation skills but low HP pool compared to Warrior.

Another camp says to put the points into Dex and Str for higher and more effective block and parry which will mean higher Effective HP (EHP) so it doesn't matter that our HP pool is low.

Sigh decisions, decisions...

Ahh.. that always made me wondered why they stand around long time sometimes.
But it is true depend on situations, for normal mobs my party usually sleep all other mobs and kill one by one (only applicable on mobs that are not resisted so its advised to focus first mob that is resisted). This will fail if someone does aoe if mobs are together.

At higher level white mage gets a skill to reduce enmity towards self and i find it helpful when they come after me from healing so it doesnt stress the tanker too much but its cd its a bit high.

This post has been edited by ScarletYami: Sep 2 2013, 01:26 PM

i meet lot of bad tanker @ lv 50, thou there is a good tanker know what he should do. It force me to abonden my bard and playing Paladin now. Some tanker when boss spawn add nvr care to taunt add and hope cloth and leather user to tank and kill add by them self, and what most, after 2 wipe they just leave like nothing happen :/.

Btw while doing Amdor Keep i meet some imba tanker with AR + 1 shield here the ss.



I think i start concentrate to lv my paladin to lv 50 now, just to tank lv 50 dungeon @.@

what the fark, nice shield. 181 shield strength and chance.

speed skill +7 lol~

What do tanks prefering?

A durable healer (less running away like a headless chicken) or big heals healer(wah mobs... Cabut)

stopped playing like 3-4 days , and finally last night unlocked paladin lol .

My rotation seems quite different when tanking

Mark Target
Shield Lob
Flash a few times to collect adds
Fast Blade
Savage Blade
Continue flashing + FB,SB + occasional shield lob to regain loose mobs and adds.

by using flash, your tendency to lose a mob is quite low but sometimes overzealous healers might pull one away

good results but i tend to change my rotation when the situations needs, like i see a big heal coming, i pop conv, and when i see my heals running low on MP, i start strafing around like a mad dog to give my heals sometime to regain MP, pity the DPS that got to run around following the boss though

Many like to play as tanks but less than many like to indulge the philosophy of a tanker. But the best of tanks almost never play in pugs.
So meeting an excel tank in tuff dungeons is like winning a lottery.

Mine is abit weird hahahaa

2 mobs, A & B

A - shield lob B - provoke coz two different CD can do instantly.
A - Fast blade

then flash just to refresh B just incase some smart DPS go aim it

A - Savage Blade

Flash again. To hold aggro of B

A - Rage of Halone

Purple I suppose the best item in game?

Gladiator Lvl 22 checking in!

I'm still noob in this

I added 4 point to str and rest of the points to vit...

Using tanker in PS3 controller is not fun at all!
Still learning how to switch mobs flawlessly within my controller

This post has been edited by Vanish: Sep 8 2013, 02:30 PM

My Paladin @.@. Finally level 50. Now traning to become good tank in dungeon.

I will need to do more dungeon run, don't think my tanking skill is up to par yet.

I need to find out ways to get solid hate on the aggro meter, so my team mates don't get a wallop.

My main problem up to this point is hate on the aggro meter, not sure if it is me or not, when i am attacking a mob my team is attacking another resulting in the monster running all over the place.... lol.

I really need to find ways to gain some solid footing in the hate list. Any seasoned tank can opt for some insight?

oi.. lu tak payah kerja ke? lol

Congratz..

Madgeiser ur ok already just need to be more paying attention

In say large group of monsters

Always mark your monsters first

Say mons1, mons2, mons3, mons4, mons5

Open by shield lob mons1
If other mons not yet arrive to ur flash range, use fast blade on mons1.

Then once arrive all mons on u, use flash.

Then us ur full combo on mons one, fast blade>savage blade>rage of halone. Ofcoz if u already open fast blade then continue savage n rage of halone.
Then use fast blade on mons1
Change target to mons2 savage blade
Change back to mons1 rag of halone> fastblade
Change target to mons3 savage blade
Change target to mons4 rage of halone
Cahnge back to mons1 fast blade>savage blade
Change target to mons5 rage of halone.

Flw marked pattern should be fine can use flash in betweeen the combo i arrange or provoke even.

@vanish

Go tp character configuration> filter > off the rnable cycling target, on enable customization

In dungeon just use L1 + O for enemy target

This post has been edited by shojikun: Sep 9 2013, 09:44 AM

How he get the +1 o.O

read my post above, always always marked your target with sign

Thanks!

Now I stucked at lv 23 and hard to increase my exp cuz main quest already finish till not enough requirement...

any good suggestion and recommendation for fast lvling???? (I now lvling at The Footfalls killing mobs and fate only...)

your help will be much appreciated!!!

There leves, side quest, fates, dungeon grinding

go south shroud and farm fate there...the fate there carries good exp and most important thing there are lots of ppl there (i assume depends on servers?) anyway just pay there a visit to see how things go.

Thank you guys! Will try to focus on your location and advise!

Try it tonight cuz I'm currently working

Ok already get grip on how to tank. thou i can say tank in FFXiV quite stressful, need to dodge aoe, manage stun, for ifrit HM, in Amdapor keep, thou this feel kind of refreshing. I not yet do garuda and titan so not sure how tank them. Waiting for my FC member to go there.

Check with u all.
that said you have gladiator lvl 30,
1, Do you will lvl it all the way to 50 then lvl 15 Conjurer
then change job to paladin or
2, lvl 30 gladiator + 15 conjurer = paladin?

which is the better way and why?

of coz train glad to lvl30, conjurer to lvl15, then change into paladin. when u go paladin, u will never go to gladiator back

its because, u get an unique skill every 5lvl of your paladin.

Paladin require you to be 30 GLA and 15 CNJ.
You can then go to the Gladiator guild in Ul'duar to start the quest. Before you start the Paladin quest, you will need to complete your level 30 GLA quest and level 15 CNJ quest.

Once you got those completed, you will be able to start the Paladin job quest. It is not tough. The Gladiator class quest is tougher in my opinion.

For every level you gain as a Paladin, your Gladiator class will also gain one level. Sadly your Conjurer class will remain as 15. Once you completed the Paladin job quest, you will be able to equip the Paladin job crystal, which will enable you to use the Paladin job.

Hope that clears up your question.

This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Sep 13 2013, 08:50 AM

'For every level you gain as a Paladin, your Gladiator class will also gain one level'

'Meaning no longer worth to lvl GLN since, will gain free lvl for GLN once in Paladin char' <- this one good info.

In early on, i thinking to max GLN to 50 to gain those active & passive skill 1st, then change job goto paladin.
When in paladin char still able to use GLN skill right?
Then why not max GLN 1st, get MAX skill, before goto Paladin.
As in early lvl paladin week due to low skill lvl.
You get what i mean?

When you are PLD, you can also use all GLA skills. So no worries.

also, u start your paladin on lvl 30. your gladiator will share same lvl with your paladin. And, NO, paladin is more powerful than gladiator, more hp and more skill

True, it has more HP than your GLA, only down side is your cross class skill slot got cut by 50%. It is 10 level per slot instead of 5 level per slot.

How about lvl more higher for conjurer so at least have more skill?

as far as tank goes, i would only take Cure 1, rest i take from Marauder skills for more mitigation damage.

What are the cross skill that worth the 5 slot?

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)

I go for

1) Foresight - Increase Defense by 20% for 20s.
2) Bloodbath - Converts 25% physical damage dealt into HP.
3) Mercy Stroke
4) Cure 1 for self heal
5) Fracture - DoT


This is for your PT setup. because adding Protect/Stoneskin is useless as you will be having a SCH/WHM that will have these. Thou you can swipe Cure 1 with Raise

Good one!

At last! Today is my day for Paladin! Yes! Yes! Yes!

/whm rant
I seriously hate (PUG)tanks in this game. All dont know how to tank more than 1 mob. When theres a loose mob hitting the healer, dont care about it. 2 tanks trying to tank the same mob, let the rest of the adds whack the whole party. Low threat generation, cant pull off mobs thats hitting the healer.

dan lain lain lagi...

well i duno...i feel like stoneskin is quite awesome haha especially when there is a speed run dungeon but i guess no more speed run dungeon now after the AK fixed...i do plan to level my cnj to 30 at least to get the fabulous mount for my collection...stoneskin is lvl 32 right?

My experience as a Paladin.

Its kinda boring when in CM/AK run since our job only tank head to head. The dmg we produce is not very significant.

In ifrit hard mode, for off tank, the job is focus to stun, so ifrit can't cast the eruption skill (deadly skill). If you make one mistake, 80% your party will wipe out. For main tank, as usual, just make sure to aggro ifrit to face you, kiss them until they go to 7th hell.

Paladin need a very good healer. Don't rush to aggro the mobs until you sure the healer are ready for you.

i try to tank garuda and titan HM now, fak there alot bad healer out there, keep spaming medica 2 till i cant agro. some nice healer even with ar+1 gear still not take agro from me :/. i heard they spam medica 1 only, medica 2 if emergency.

before this. i really have difficulty with white mage as healer for paladin. Yesterday i met a scholar which i felt more safe in his hands.

Yesterday, i finish Stone Virgil with both DPS dead.... lol. Left only me and the healer, with the boss having 20% health, i have to switch to Sword Oath and do my damage rotation and popping fight and flee every chance i get. The last 5%, the WHM helping with some damage.... lol.

Was one hell of a fight, the last boss is actually not tough, it gives a lot of hint on where it will do the breath if you pay attention.

PVP soon, are you guys ready for it, (as Paladin).
Check it out pvp gear for Paladin, why there is no parry stat at all :/.
Although we can meld materia on it, i wonder which stat worth the most for pvp

dunno yet will see how.. but idk maybe i'll go in as BLM or Barcher!

white mage have big strong heals. and 1 300 sec oh shit chance to heal.
scholars got 3 chances to oh shit altho not much but is still quite a lot. and they can replenish the charge quite often oso with 60 second cool down for 3 charges. and with the shield

hoho my best kill in pvp so far



need good coordination for pvping lol