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 Sony XPERIA™ Z1, Official Thread V1, 5"FHD, 20.7MP-GLens (lossless D. Zoom)

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post Sep 5 2013, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(jloi @ Sep 5 2013, 06:06 PM)
use phone LED flash laugh.gif

I just tod of something funny. Clip the camera in front instead of back..tadaa u have front viewfinder to self portrait laugh.gif
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which LED flash? Adobe LED flash? laugh.gif
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post Sep 5 2013, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(jloi @ Sep 5 2013, 06:24 PM)
just said phone LED flash isn't? LOL
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post Sep 9 2013, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ Sep 9 2013, 04:37 PM)
camera is not bad, good in low light, more than average quality for a smartphone but i expect more from sony.
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You cannot fight the limit of sensor size. You cram 20MP into small sensor. it'll still crap.
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post Sep 9 2013, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 9 2013, 04:46 PM)
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unless sony design it like the bulkier s4 zoom...
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True. Haha. Anyway, S4 Zoom is lolcamera. laugh.gif
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post Sep 9 2013, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(hikashi @ Sep 9 2013, 04:52 PM)
wats even more lol is it uses the same sensor size as z1.  biggrin.gif
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oh really? anyway, if the optical lens is bigger, more light come in. Same sensor size. But different light coming in will affect the PQ also.

But... crappy small sensor is still crap. Hahahahahahahah,,,,

To be frank, all camera in flagship device is very good already for my usage.

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post Sep 9 2013, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 9 2013, 05:53 PM)
Another thing! Why Sony only make the 16:9 ratio photo as 8MP ? This is something really funny!

The camera lens is 20.7MP which is 5248 x 3936 under 4:3 ratio.

But Sony put 8.3MP for 16:9 ratio which is 3840 x 2160

I had count and by right Sony shall capable to make the 16:9 ratio photo as 15.7MP as 15.7MP is just only 5280 x 2970 which still fit nicely and not over the lens capable of 20.7MP.
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Lens is round. So 15MP sensor that is 16:9 ratio is same performance as 4:3 20.7MP.


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post Sep 9 2013, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 9 2013, 06:00 PM)
Yalo!

I just edit, maximum shall be capable up to 15.3MP not 15.7MP.

But why Sony only put 8.3MP, this really does not make sense.
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post Sep 9 2013, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 9 2013, 06:03 PM)
I believe plenty firmware already under test before final version is put in.

Really does not make sense Sony pick 8.3MP instead of 15:3MP for 16:9 ratio.
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Maybe they follow standard display resolution:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_resolutions

SDTV 576i, EDTV 576p 480 × 576 4:3 or 16:9 276,480
544 × 576 313,344
704 × 576 405,504
720 × 576 414,720
768 × 576 442,368
DVD 720 × 480 (NTSC) 4:3 or 16:9 345,600
720 × 576 (PAL) 414,720
720p (HDTV, Blu-ray) 1280 × 720 16:9 921,600
1080i, 1080p (HDTV, Blu-ray) 1920 × 1080 16:9 2,073,600
2160p (UHDTV) 3840 × 2160 16:9 8,294,400
4320p (UHDTV) 7680 × 4320 16:9 33,177,600

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post Sep 9 2013, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 9 2013, 06:09 PM)
In this case, Sony are stupid enough, now nearly all sample photo comparison in 16:9 which only 8.3MP shot.

And their 20.7MP not feel like standard resolution also.
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If reviewer are savvy enough, they should take 4:3 shot and crop it. sweat.gif
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post Sep 9 2013, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(un_id @ Sep 9 2013, 06:13 PM)
if you go on holiday you will appreciate the waterproof.. can put your phone beside swimming pool without worry,, swim2 then suddenly want to take picture, just go ahead grab you phone and snap.. imagine you bring this to a water theme park like sunway lagoon, and take video/picture while u slide down the slider. super awesome  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Huh? You want to slide down using your RM2299 phone? shocking.gif
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post Sep 9 2013, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 9 2013, 06:14 PM)
This is unnecessary, not much user will do this also.

Sony shall reconsider and change the MP in 16:9 ratio to 15.3MP.
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Maybe can. Maybe cannot. Hahah... coz standard 16:9 resolution is standard. I think they need to follow
certain rules for HD 16:9 picture as camera company out of respect for the rules. laugh.gif

Else, some TV cannot display photo correctly. ohmy.gif laugh.gif sweat.gif
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post Sep 9 2013, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(un_id @ Sep 9 2013, 06:16 PM)
why not?  hmm.gif i always want to take picture in water theme park, but sked phone get into water.. now its possible with the waterproof phone available
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later phone slip and you crash into your own phone. tongue.gif

I love my phone. Never gonna do that yo.
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post Sep 9 2013, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(busbos @ Sep 9 2013, 06:22 PM)
if full 20.7 MP cant take photo in 16:9 format then what's the point of having a 20.7 MP camera?  sweat.gif
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20.7mp for 4:3 format. dSLR use 3:2 format. Olympus use 4:3 format.

So just shoot 20.7mp for 4:3 format lor. Its camera format.

16:9 is tv/pc lcd display format. sweat.gif

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post Sep 9 2013, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(un_id @ Sep 9 2013, 06:22 PM)
one of my occasional activity is camping.. it will be beneficial there too.. imagine its raining heavily at night, you are in a tiny camp, water is everywhere.. while other keep their phone safely in a waterproof bag, i can use it to watch movie yorclxms.gif
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why you want to engage in anti-social activity during camping? laugh.gif
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post Sep 9 2013, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(un_id @ Sep 9 2013, 06:28 PM)
i guess u never go camping.. watching movie is the most social activity at night especialy when is rainy, you cant do anything, so you may gather with others in a camp and watch movie.  laugh.gif
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post Sep 9 2013, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 9 2013, 06:30 PM)
I don't think standard rules is required.

If really, then Nokia Lumia 1020 under 16:9 ratio shall be 7680 × 4320 (33.2MP) not current 7712 x 4352 (33.6MP)
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Oh, then Sony really need to up their ante. Cannot let Nokia win by such huge margin (eventhough Nokia is dead already sweat.gif )
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post Sep 9 2013, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(vostro78 @ Sep 9 2013, 06:34 PM)
pity for nokia ..... microsoft jump they jump.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 9 2013, 06:34 PM)
Yalo, exactly.
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Z1 = 8MP 16:9
1020 = 33MP 16:9

Huge different yo
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post Sep 11 2013, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Sep 11 2013, 09:54 AM)
Apple always do great in camera, no deny on that.
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iPhone camera default can take good picture since iPhone 4. Its a standard comparison for phone camera. sweat.gif
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post Sep 11 2013, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 11 2013, 09:29 AM)
Apple just released a phone with a f/2.2 aperture. so iphone managed to fit in a bigger lense in a slimmer profile.
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I heard the sensor is 15% bigger, so optic/lens is 15% bigger. And now aperture also bigger. That's engineering feat.
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post Sep 11 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 11 2013, 10:32 AM)
not sure about all these camera spec. but what i found is

aperture size:
IP5s - f2.2
Z1 - f2.0
so f2.2 is bigger right? what does this means actually? what the advantage of having bigger aperture?

sensor size:
Z1 - 1/2.3"
IP5s - increased by15%... so how big is it?
with bigger sensor means capturing more light???

sorry, noob in photography
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No, f2.0 is bigger than f2.2.

It means how big is the opening. If aperture big, opening is big, more light come in, brighter picture, better quality because less noise.

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Bigger sensor capture more light if megapixel remain the same. Means if 1" sensor, 10Megapixel capture 2x more light than 20Megapixel.

Increase by 15% means 15% bigger than iPhone 5S.

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