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 Sony XPERIA™ Z1, Official Thread V1, 5"FHD, 20.7MP-GLens (lossless D. Zoom)

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post Sep 4 2013, 10:32 PM

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4K....I thought going to announce Honami already...in the end kena trolled laugh.gif
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post Sep 4 2013, 10:38 PM

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It's coming!!
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(refnulf @ Sep 4 2013, 11:08 PM)
The fella from Sony probably only went through the stuff yesterday. They've got a gift for presenting. Lots of stuff there, lots to remember. I don't care if he appeared a little robotic. Plus, when has Steve Jobs ever had so many products to showcase?
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I think the speaker did quite a good job just now. Very smooth presentation covering a wide range of devices (I don't know how he does it lol) with hardly any pauses. rclxms.gif
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post Sep 4 2013, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 4 2013, 11:13 PM)
if i not mistaken there should be a script behind...or facing him
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Even so, it was a very fluid presentation, much better than many others that I have seen nod.gif
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post Sep 5 2013, 02:34 AM

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QUOTE(nasiayam @ Sep 5 2013, 02:26 AM)
hopefully the camera lives up to expectation =)
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What sort of expectation? It's still a puny 1/2.3 inch sensor tongue.gif
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post Sep 5 2013, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(jloi @ Sep 5 2013, 12:45 PM)
Here my first impression of Sony Xperia Z1

- super amazing! Fast camera AF! Timeshift burst is amazingly fast with a click of button and don't have shutter burst sound!
- I might been to pampered by HTC boom sound adi but I think Z1 speaker is good enough. Not the best but not worst too. Louder than Z for sure.
- screen, design and the UI nothing to shout. Same with previous Z and Z Ultra

Here quick review on QX100

- I will buy it with no question even without flash. It just super amazing. Might not nice in pocket though.
- don't have M mode only P and A which is good enough. Can save full res image into the phone

Haven't got chance to play QX10 since a lot people and I go to eat now. Later less ppl I go play again.

Can't wait to share the images taken by Z1 and QX100 with u all hear once I am home
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I'm just wondering whether the Image Quality would really be as good as the RX100 or not since the sensor and lens (and I believe Image processor) are quite similar hmm.gif
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post Sep 10 2013, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(jloi @ Sep 10 2013, 10:34 AM)
what I am saying, the Z1 will smudge the details compare with my Sony HX50v camera (who has the same camera sensor, megapixel, bionz processing).

Nevermind la it is just me feel it is not right to smudge those details laugh.gif
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Both camera pictures have heavy Noise reduction processing, applies to 99% cameras in the world if you shoot with JPEG with reasonable NR. The higher the noise reduction applied, the lesser details you get.

Looking at the two pictures: Z1 shoots at ISO400 while HX50V shoots at ISO800

Also, I feel that there's some camera shake when you were taking the shot with your HX50V, at a long zoom shooting at only 1/25 is definitely going to significantly increase the effects of handshake, UNLESS you're on a steady tripod.

Also bear in mind that different focal lengths will affect image quality output, for example shooting a scene at your widest focal length would yield different sharpness levels as compared to zooming in 10x <---- Dependent on the quality of lens already. Higher grade lenses show much lesser image quality degradation compared to one that's more inferior.

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post Sep 10 2013, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(jloi @ Sep 10 2013, 10:51 AM)
EDITED : So the NR and NF is damn high in Z1? lol

I off NR and NF in all my camera. I don't bother on noise since I prefer it to be sharp.
And true I had hand shake on d long zoom since the HX50V can zoom till 720mm  sweat.gif
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What's NF?

High Noise Reduction is almost always applied to especially smaller sensor cameras, if not, you will vomit blood if you see any picture higher than ISO100 [in lower light situations] with your tiny 1/2.3" sensor. Even on the top enthusiast compacts with 1/1.63" sensors like the Lumix LX7, Canon G series or the Olympus XZ series, there is still significant NR on the JPEGs to make it usable at higher ISO

And if not mistaken, you can't turn off NR when shooting JPEGs. Even on my DSLR the only access I have to is the Long Exposure Noise reduction and NR on high ISO
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post Sep 10 2013, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(Areas Elysian @ Sep 10 2013, 11:19 AM)
It's blur because the guy most likely is moving.

Just look at the shutter settings of 1/25. That is very insanely slow. Not to mention there is no Optical Image Stabilizer.

The slowest I would dare go on my SLR with IS is 1/60, and that is with a very good IS. Without IS I won't go anywhere below 1/100 on the wide angle.
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Actually most compact cameras do have OIS.

Most DSLR lenses with IS comes with 3 to 4 stops. 1/60 is quite comfy, with 3 stops IS, it is like shooting at 1/500

QUOTE(jloi @ Sep 10 2013, 11:35 AM)
NF = Noise Filter

Yes compact camera can't turn off but can lower it like my HX50V

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and my Olympus can turn it off

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Now you mentioned I can only conclude Z1 probably use high NR. My bad coz usually I turn it off. That's why I am not used to seeing it.
Depend what you're shooting and the equipment setup. If static object/subject I can shoot with 1/10-1/30 handheld. I have steady hand as long as the lens is not long and heavy.

The guy (Jason Smith) is static when I am shooting him. It is my hand shake from the long zoom.
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I'm surprised your Oly M4/3 has that function biggrin.gif

Like I said, most camera phones (and a lot of the conventional compact cameras) have heavy Noise Reduction applied on the JPEGs so that it is more usable in higher ISOs. But of course, what you get is blotchy details all over laugh.gif

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