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post Aug 21 2013, 12:04 PM, updated 13y ago

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To all dear sifu,

i'm always amazed with keda.z's artwork and his picture has a very silky color in it.

No matter how i experiment with bending layers n such, still can't achieve the same color as his .

Why eh ??

Please tell me the name of the tecnique, and does speedlight is a necessity to achieve it ?


Thanks all for the time biggrin.gif
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post Aug 21 2013, 12:25 PM

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go for his workshop when he has it, u can learn straight from him
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post Aug 21 2013, 01:05 PM

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surely very expensive and i live in penang T.T hard to go .

Or he seldom do at penang? then nice loh . hahah .
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post Aug 21 2013, 01:12 PM

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keda.z is famous for compo and lighting. Both of that is playing very important on his editing style. So conclusion is train your basic first before getting to the editing..
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post Aug 21 2013, 01:34 PM

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You have to know what you're final product going to be turn only you start to shoot

Of course the lightning, timing, exposure has to be right and most important is the post processing
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post Aug 22 2013, 09:39 AM

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Give example pics?
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post Aug 22 2013, 12:18 PM

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Guys, OP is asking for the method of editing colours, not asking you to teach him the basics of photography.

I believe he doesn't only play with the curves but also the saturation, hue and luminance of every each colour as well as colour filters, heavy burning and dodging are also involved from the look of his photos.

It definitely takes a lot of time in editing to create a masterpiece like his.
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post Aug 22 2013, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(C.P.U @ Aug 21 2013, 02:12 PM)
keda.z is famous for compo and lighting. Both of that is playing very important on his editing style. So conclusion is train your basic first before getting to the editing..
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QUOTE(amduser @ Aug 21 2013, 02:34 PM)
You have to know what you're final product going to be turn only you start to shoot

Of course the lightning, timing, exposure has to be right and most important is the post processing
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Since im still new in photography, imagining fantastic the final product is still something im currently on with by referring pro's job and create my own one day. But even with the same setting, i couldn't reach the same final result. Need to practice more about compo, lighting like u guys describes then. hahah thx nod.gif

QUOTE(hidden830726 @ Aug 22 2013, 10:39 AM)
Give example pics?
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something like this. it's seems like a drawing to me. I describe the color tone as silky. But i just doesn't know the right term for it .

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QUOTE(Riggo @ Aug 22 2013, 01:18 PM)
Guys, OP is asking for the method of editing colours, not asking you to teach him the basics of photography.

I believe he doesn't only play with the curves but also the saturation, hue and luminance of every each colour as well as colour filters, heavy burning and dodging are also involved from the look of his photos.

It definitely takes a lot of time in editing to create a masterpiece like his.
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Ah , ur comment clarify what i wanted so much clearer. hahah thanks man notworthy.gif

After some research on the net , some suggested he apply photorealistic hdr toning in the post process. Is that so ??

This post has been edited by HarrionX: Aug 22 2013, 12:49 PM
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post Aug 22 2013, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Riggo @ Aug 22 2013, 12:18 PM)
Guys, OP is asking for the method of editing colours, not asking you to teach him the basics of photography.

I believe he doesn't only play with the curves but also the saturation, hue and luminance of every each colour as well as colour filters, heavy burning and dodging are also involved from the look of his photos.

It definitely takes a lot of time in editing to create a masterpiece like his.
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That is what we trying to tell OP. Keda photo look nice not because just editing alone, it's because his lighting and compo. His Keda style lighting is affected his editing, without his proper ligting, you can't achieved the editing style. Without those then stop thinking editing first because you can't achieve it.

I was try copy Keda style for quite sometimes. Trust me, first I thought his editing but the end I realize is his lighitng and compo. That why I go strengthen my basic again.

This is one of photo I try copy kedaz however frankly tell you, his level and mine like thousand miles different. My basic lighting is poor and compo too.
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This post has been edited by C.P.U: Aug 22 2013, 01:14 PM
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post Aug 22 2013, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(C.P.U @ Aug 22 2013, 02:10 PM)
That is what we trying to tell OP. Keda photo look nice not because just editing alone, it's because his lighting and compo. His Keda style lighting is affected his editing, without his proper ligting, you can't achieved the editing style. Without those then stop thinking editing first because you can't achieve it.

I was try copy Keda style for quite sometimes. Trust me, first I thought his editing but the end I realize is his lighitng and compo. That why I go strengthen my basic again.


This is one of photo I try copy kedaz however frankly tell you, his level and mine like thousand miles different. My basic lighting is poor and compo too.
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But but , the result were great! and the lady in the middle picture has the same style as keda.z one . I might mistaken ur artwork as keda one hahah. rclxms.gif

With the bolded sentence, i realized more and more that a perfect picture needs a great setting (lighting and compo), then after that we apply post editing for greater result. I'm quite attached to photoshop, so i thought the same result could be achieve just by photoshop . my bad sweat.gif

If you have extra time, could u provide some links to improvise my compo and lighting to achieve the same result as urs ? tongue.gif Thank you thank you notworthy.gif

Extra info, i only owns a 600D , a 50mm 1.8 lens, and 11-16mm dx ii tokina lens, and a yg 560 speedlite.

Does that means I can't achieve the same result with the intermediate equipment?

This post has been edited by HarrionX: Aug 22 2013, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE(HarrionX @ Aug 22 2013, 01:34 PM)
But but , the result were great! and the lady in the middle picture has the same style as keda.z one . I might mistaken ur artwork as keda one hahah.  rclxms.gif

With the bolded sentence, i realized more and more that a perfect picture needs a great setting (lighting and compo), then after that we apply post editing for greater result. I'm quite attached to photoshop, so i thought the same result could be achieve just by photoshop . my bad  sweat.gif

If you have extra time, could u provide some links to improvise my compo and lighting to achieve the same result as urs ?  tongue.gif  Thank you thank you  notworthy.gif

Extra info, i only owns a 600D , a 50mm 1.8 lens, and 11-16mm dx ii tokina lens, and a yg 560 speedlite.

Does that means I can't achieve the same result with the intermediate equipment?
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Keda is great is placing his subject and how he light it up.. Serious my compo and ligting still suck haha but you can learn slowly from pro photo like keda. Flip his work and see how he use ligting, which angle, how high he shoot and how low he go..
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post Aug 22 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(HarrionX @ Aug 22 2013, 12:48 PM)
Since im still new in photography, imagining fantastic the final product is still something im currently on with by referring pro's job and create my own one day. But even with the same setting, i couldn't reach the same final result. Need to practice more about compo, lighting like u guys describes then. hahah thx  nod.gif
something like this. it's seems like a drawing to me. I describe the color tone as silky. But i just doesn't know the right term for it .
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Ah , ur comment clarify what i wanted so much clearer. hahah thanks man  notworthy.gif

After some research on the net , some suggested he apply photorealistic hdr toning in the post process. Is that so ??
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the gradient you mean? if you are shooting at the golden hour (during sunrise/sunset) you could get what you want, then you have to play with the color in photoshop to get the smooth and silky look

yes, he use HDR but HDR is double edge sword for portrait, either you make the whole image look stunning or your subject will look weird

QUOTE(C.P.U @ Aug 22 2013, 01:10 PM)
That is what we trying to tell OP. Keda photo look nice not because just editing alone, it's because his lighting and compo. His Keda style lighting is affected his editing, without his proper ligting, you can't achieved the editing style. Without those then stop thinking editing first because you can't achieve it.

I was try copy Keda style for quite sometimes. Trust me, first I thought his editing but the end I realize is his lighitng and compo. That why I go strengthen my basic again.

This is one of photo I try copy kedaz however frankly tell you, his level and mine like thousand miles different. My basic lighting is poor and compo too.
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the top of the first image look like you did some cloning because of the repeating pattern hmm.gif

2nd pic is nice, i like the cool and warm tone mixing together

it is nothing wrong to learn from copying but having your own style in products is the best nod.gif
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QUOTE(amduser @ Aug 22 2013, 03:19 PM)
the gradient you mean? if you are shooting at the golden hour (during sunrise/sunset) you could get what you want, then you have to play with the color in photoshop to get the smooth and silky look

yes, he use HDR but HDR is double edge sword for portrait, either you make the whole image look stunning or your subject will look weird
the top of the first image look like you did some cloning because of the repeating pattern hmm.gif

2nd pic is nice, i like the cool and warm tone mixing together

it is nothing wrong to learn from copying but having your own style in products is the best nod.gif
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Yes.. The cloning not perfect.. at I clone a lot this photo.. I only shoot until the bride skirt and the rest i just clone.. 30% photo is clone and not include the fake tiles..
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post Aug 22 2013, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(C.P.U @ Aug 22 2013, 03:28 PM)
Yes.. The cloning not perfect.. at I clone a lot this photo.. I only shoot until the bride skirt and the rest i just clone.. 30% photo is clone and not include the fake tiles..
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wow....then it is not bad already, i only use cloning to clone away dust mark in the image doh.gif
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post Aug 23 2013, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Riggo @ Aug 22 2013, 12:18 PM)
Guys, OP is asking for the method of editing colours, not asking you to teach him the basics of photography.
nothing wrong the replies so far actually.

they're telling OP the facts that if you can't get the basics right - don't bother learning up those PP techniques because it will not work.

QUOTE(HarrionX @ Aug 22 2013, 12:48 PM)
Since im still new in photography, imagining fantastic the final product is still something im currently on with by referring pro's job and create my own one day.
ok la very simple.

i tell you straight, you are new. your focus now should be

1. getting your exposure
2. getting your composition
3. getting your colors (tonality, dynamic range)

that doesn't mean you can't try out PPing but just get your focus correct.

and his editing takes quite some work.

And if you look at his photos, they have the 3 elements I mentioned to you above. With those 3 elements, then only his PP can stand out. This applies to other photos too.

You could try out this software, helps a lot in trying to get your effects http://www.niksoftware.com/nikcollection/usa/intro.html
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QUOTE(HarrionX @ Aug 22 2013, 01:34 PM)
Does that means I can't achieve the same result with the intermediate equipment?
your camera, even a camera many years back can do it.

portraiture / wedding photos are not something that pushes the boundaries of photographic equipment.

the subject is stationary, you have time to pose all you want for most of the time ........... unless you're catching the magic hour, you better be damn good at posing and giving instructions to your subjects, and be quick in adjusting camera settings.

so as you can see - the photographer is the limitation.

no, you don't need pro gears to do great stuff.

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QUOTE(amduser @ Aug 22 2013, 08:35 PM)
wow....then it is not bad already, i only use cloning to clone away dust mark in the image doh.gif
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my cloning oso never exceed 30% of the image i manipulate. He did it nicely, really thumbup.gif hahah

I never notice the cloning part in the bride pic . Right after u mention it , then i notice. lol

QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 23 2013, 10:58 AM)
nothing wrong the replies so far actually.

they're telling OP the facts that if you can't get the basics right - don't bother learning up those PP techniques because it will not work.
ok la very simple.

i tell you straight, you are new. your focus now should be

1. getting your exposure
2. getting your composition
3. getting your colors (tonality, dynamic range)

that doesn't mean you can't try out PPing but just get your focus correct.

and his editing takes quite some work.

And if you look at his photos, they have the 3 elements I mentioned to you above. With those 3 elements, then only his PP can stand out. This applies to other photos too.

You could try out this software, helps a lot in trying to get your effects http://www.niksoftware.com/nikcollection/usa/intro.html
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First of all , thx for the software! going to try the trial today.

Well, i think i manage to understand abit of exposure.

But compo and dynamic range haven't : /

would it be ok if post some image here and ask u guys to comment it on what am i lacking and should improve? sweat.gif

QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 23 2013, 11:01 AM)
your camera, even a camera many years back can do it.

portraiture / wedding photos are not something that pushes the boundaries of photographic equipment.

the subject is stationary, you have time to pose all you want for most of the time ........... unless you're catching the magic hour, you better be damn good at posing and giving instructions to your subjects, and be quick in adjusting camera settings.

so as you can see - the photographer is the limitation.

no, you don't need pro gears to do great stuff.
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ah , all this time i keep telling my self i couldn't get the effect coz i didn't hv 5d like keda.z did . hahah , my bad doh.gif

yah , most wedding picture i study, sometimes the subject no need to do anything oso can get nice pic , it's all depend on the angle n such from the photographer. In which im still weak for now .

Thx for clarifying it! notworthy.gif
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Keda's pictures gave a soothing and smooth expression of the subject.
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QUOTE(trowapeter @ Aug 24 2013, 05:40 PM)
Keda's pictures gave a soothing and smooth expression of the subject.
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yeahh, it's like magic . wub.gif
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Hehe, you guys only see it on SCREEN.

You haven't seen the artworks in person. smile.gif Wait till you see it on print, even more WOW.

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