Hi all F&Fners,

One question that deserves another thread on its own. Recently heard the suprima is ANCAP 5 star. Then, is our local suprima ANCAP 5 stars or exported version?

its the same
6 airbags, ABD EBD ESP TCS BA HA
if not 5 star, thn u just drive it straight to the sea

Local. The Preve Aussie export version was tested 5 stars in ANCAP. The Suprima S has the same safety specs as the Preve Australia edition, that's why they claim it achieves that. Hopefully the Preve will be upgraded too (the Premium is missing 4 airbags and ESP), the CFE needs 2 more airbags. Assuming that the rest of the car in terms of safety relevant stuff is identical).

i dont get you. so our local has 5 stars ancap or not?

Suprima is just launched in Malaysia .. its not available in other country yet ..

And yes.. its for Malaysia model

not yet 5 star, but cannot say its 4 oso. same same but different.

Still no solid evidence that for our local market is ANCAP 5 stars. They only mentioned Proton Suprima is certified ANCAP 5 stars.

please correct me if i m wrong.

The local version should be the same as the export version (6 airbags), unlike Preve (4 airbags local, 6 airbags export).

Therefore and ANCAP rating that the Suprima attains in OZ should be applicable to the local version.

yes, i understand frm your point. But "should be" also can mean "shouldnt be".

This post has been edited by Selectt: Aug 19 2013, 04:33 PM

if same spec (abs,amount of airbags..tcs,esp..etc) then yes same 5 stars for msia and oz.

Well there is a higher percentage that it "should be" than "shouldn't be"

yeah but nothing is certain. i only consider when it is certain.

Then wait for the car to launch in OZ then compare the specs if they are the same, then wait for ANCAP to test it

Those car like Kambry and Eccord tested with 6 airbags and get 5 stars but when come to mereisia with only 2 airbags....

so should we suspect also????

But I heard Proton Suprima 5 Star still lose to Vios 5 star.

5 stars p1 will always lost to 3-4 start basic japs. In bolehland.

If its not 5 Star here, they won't include it in the presentation and showroom also LOL.

Preve won't get the improved specs as the Suprima unless they come out with a Preve facelift. Cos Preve is different from Suprima according to them

Wonder how many star Vios had actually?

This post has been edited by siegwarhiet: Aug 19 2013, 05:20 PM

Vios?

I heard 6 atleast.

OMG! I thought full mark is 5.

Harlow.. pls respect abit.... this is Vios OK!

Do you even know what is ANCAP stance for? God..

vios came from god brand...it any CAP rating no good enough..out of scale weh...

Godlike. Even exceeded standard rating. Only applicable in "Malaysia"

Vios.

Japan's answer to the USA's M1A1 Abrams.

This post has been edited by dares: Aug 19 2013, 05:36 PM

Harlow! M1A1 cannot get chicks!

Vios is a chick magnet! U all sure regret when your gf leave u for a Vios driver!

OMG. This is beyond hilarious. I really want to print screen this 1. This guy is even hardcore fan than me.

This post has been edited by siegwarhiet: Aug 19 2013, 05:40 PM

Have to fix your sarcasm antenna la

Sorry can't control it these few days. Maybe I'll try tomorrow. Let me all out today.

Bloody back button on the mouse...

Those cars are massively downgraded when they come to Malaysia. The Suprima isn't. The Preve Australian edition got 5 stars, the Suprima in Malaysia will have the same specs as the Preve in Australia, so it should also get the same rating, unless they downgraded it. But Proton probably hasn't, otherwise they wouldn't be so confident (imagine what happens if the car is tested and only gets 4 stars? Even more Proton jokes...)

As for the Vios... it managed to get 4 stars for frontal impacts. But side impacts weren't tested yet, and there is no way it will perform well there. I'd expect something between 0 and 2 stars for side impacts, which means the overall rating should be downgraded.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Aug 19 2013, 05:58 PM

Man...sarcasm bullet all the way.

Inb4, VIOS>all

Oh, and before someone comes with GOA body... Toyota must have been to Goa a lot to come up with that marketing rubbish. The Avanza managed to get 3 stars in CNCAP, which basically means it's useless. They test at low speeds. Any car can pass.

MeToo sold off his datsun and booked a pickkup, then out of a sudden he found out veeyos is a super chick magnet and now he butthurt that his kambing new car fail to attract chicks

he said he plan to booked all veeyos, make long lead time and sell the slot for 20k

http://www.aseancap.org/cartestresult/Asea...PToyotaVios.pdf

Vios only managed to get 4-star. Suprima obviously pawns it.
For the new model that's about to be launched, no official NCAP rating yet.

http://www.aseancap.org/cartestresult/AseanNCAPHondaCity.pdf
http://www.aseancap.org/cartestresult/Asea...PFordFiesta.pdf
City & Fiesta also pawns Vios...

Yeah I read that yesterday.

he is hard core veeyos fan yo

WOi!!!

U pecah my plan alrdy!!

I'm not goign to sell my Vios slot booking to you!

No chicks for u!

lulz?

Dia memang chick pun

then i going 4eva alone

Lol! Scared~

forte also can get chicks

This post has been edited by AlexLee277: Aug 20 2013, 07:52 PM

Inilah kata kata seorang warganegara Australia.....

For some delusional Malaysians, they worship it as 9th wonder of automotive world. Pity them, due to extortionate local car tax structure, Proton cars there become artificially cheaper while other cars made more expensive. Pathetic! That's why any smart Australians should avoid Proton at all cost!

Aku rasa, walaupun Proton cuba utk meningkatkan prestasi dan kualiti kereta binaannya, tetapi kepahitan sejarah yang telah dialami oleh sesetengah individual, masih ternyata kelukaannya tidak dapat disembuh selamanya...

Do Australian have any local car manufacturer like Proton here in Malaysia? Wah comment like he knows everything about Malaysian, but actually they don't.

This post has been edited by siegwarhiet: Aug 21 2013, 01:32 PM

based on brochure, it shows our Suprima S is ANCAP 5 stars. they actually asked MIROS and another independent test centre to test the car. then the result, they sent it to ANCAP to get it certified.

sos - Sos

Safety:

The new Proton Suprima S model also features a load of safety features such as anti-trap power windows, six airbags (premium Preve sedan has only four airbags locally), ABS and ESC with Traction Control.

Interestingly, Proton Executive Chairman YBhg Tan Sri Dato’ Sri Haji Mohd Khamil Jamil firmly claimed that the 2013 Proton Suprima S scored a Five-Star safety rating from the Australasian New Car Assessment Program (ANCAP).

However, we know that to be tested by the ANCAP, a car must first be on sale in the market. ANCAP testers then buy a car of the model they wish to test, and perform the examination independently.

However, Proton managed to earn its Suprima S’s Five-Star ANCAP rating very cleverly through the use of independent test facilities. The results of those tests were then submitted to the ANCAP along with those of the Proton Preve, and from then the ANCAP had deemed it right to award the Suprima S with the Five-Star rating. The structural similarities of the Proton Preve and the Suprima S helped the hatchback receive this award.

guys..what u can do is.. u just swear to yourself that u will never buy proton.. that is. as long as they quality like shit. easy. why comment so much? not to say support local but did the proton see us as a consumer? they treat us like SHIT. remember mathathir and u will know! very easy and not complicated.. what airbag what preve all nonsense. just ignore whatever proton did. finish story. thanks

Nanti sume basher kata Proton main tipu

Kalau tak ada api, memang tak akan ada asap

AGREE!!

6 Airbags and ESC are nonsense!! Look at Toyota, 2 airbags without ESC, NO PROBLEM!!

Proton really treat us like idiots, put turbo and all those airbags + ESC, sell a C-segment for less than RM80k. They must think we are all sohigh.

Who can rate this guy level of ignorance/arrogance? If I wrote later many people offended. Doesn't even know the meaning of "SHIT" but acting like know how to use it.

This post has been edited by siegwarhiet: Aug 21 2013, 02:31 PM

Harlow!

Vios got 2 airbag... Suprima got 6 airbags... so Suprima airbags got 200% MORE chance to rosak!! Who wanna buy a car that have 200% more chance to spoil?!

300% la! maths fail la u

Harlow!

Read properly...

2 -> 4 is 100% MORE

2 -> 6 is 200% MORE

england phail la u

Harlow!

2 is 100%

4 is 200%

6 is 300% la

Go play wit ur datsun at the corner there

hahaha all the kids fighting for nothing?

Harlow!!

U compare Apple to Apple pls!

See my initial statement and the use of the word "MORE"!

Damn Ah bengs!

Ya hor

Sei Proton salesman.

U selowpork ijjit? U dun want to buy u dun buy lah, no need lah to come up with crap statement like SHITTY quality lar, that la, this la ... talk like u can make a better car just by yourself ja ... sheesh ...

When proton come out new models. All ask about ANCAP ratings... Others brands no one bothers.

you not gonna win

Proton advertises with the rating, cause they are proud of it (and they should be). Toyota is like... psssst... don't mention, don't let customers think about safety and look for a rating cause it's not good...

thanks you ignorance bashers

come on la, ppl will still buy VIOS if they dont even got 1 star ancap rating la...
all is not about safety rating when compare proton with toyota..
it's all about ah beng wannabe

I bought a new sarcasm detector today, but when i opened this thread the thing immediately exploded.

IMO, it is the same everywhere. You get one stuff cheap, you get another thing expensive.

Here are stuff which is more expensive in Australia than in Malaysia. This is just from googling:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/...2-1226677641006
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...lia-cost-living
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/...ive-place-study
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/blogs/the-bac...0326-2gr6q.html
http://www.news.com.au/money/cost-of-livin...v-1226630603809

Part of it is due to the Australian economy is very dependent on natural resources, and part of it is due to the strict food control. Cannot bring any stuff into Australia, they just throw it away at customs. That way Australia can maintain the high prices. Been there, so I know.

Yes, Malaysians pay a lot for cars, but we purchase it once every 5-10 years. We don't purchase McD once every 7 years. Labour is cheap.

I think it is more of give and take. Some things more expensive, some things less expensive.

Back to cars. Here is what happening to Australia cars ATM:
http://www.news.com.au/business/holden-bos...i-1226698663952
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-a...y-1226702474062

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/...0823-2sgrt.html

Sorry if Malaysians are being patriotic and willing to show support for national brand. If you don't do that, that Ford/Holden Australian future is something Malaysia will become. You cannot blindly put faith in a business, that goes with Proton as well. Actually improvements are coming at a time when people have deserted proton for Toyota, Honda etc. Proton waking up from slumber. If Honda, Toyota, Nissan continue with their current trend, they too will relinquish their market position to Kia/Hyundai. It also shows, Aussies don't care about Holden/Ford that much then. Maybe its the Aussie culture or maybe that is just pure capitalism. Or, Holden and Ford not really Aussie made products in the first place. Both come from US. So if they die also, no problem for Australia, except the factory workers/people directly involved in those brands. Also, AFAIK, no car company, local/overseas has closed shop in Malaysia yet. I may be wrong though.

So Top Gear Australia is not that smart using a SNR3, that goes to the thousands of Jumbuck owners.
It is easy to criticize others, but make sure you have points to back it up. Otherwise, someone will come and dismantle those points.

Must be made by Proton

I thought China product will only explode?

if by dollar to dollar, they pay much lesser than us for almost all of the thing.

example a waitress earn 10 dollar a hours and can get 2 big mac in Australia, and here you earn 5 dollar as a waitress and cant even enjoy a big mac.

Thank you for correcting me.

The cost of living is high there. Same like UK. 1 hour can already buy 2 big macs. But everything else is expensive.

In the uk, cars don't cost that much but their insurance is so extensive and will take into account every imaginable facet of your life like ur age, colour of your car, your job, where you park your car, your street address which in turn can spike the premiums.. Petrol is no cheap either and with congestion charges and all.. When I lived there, the then labour gov wanted to tax cars based on the amount of km's it travelled as ways to reduce carbon footprint. It can be summarised that the running cost of owning a car can only go northwards there

Hm. I disagree. Labour, and anything connected to labour is expensive. So going to a restaurant... prepare to spend at least RM 40 (cooking yourself is affordable though). Calling a contractor? Forget about it, fix your damn house yourself I was once quoted around RM 8000 for something to do on our house. I ended up ordering the parts online and installed it myself for around RM 1000? Fix your car yourself if possible, cause workshops will make you bleed (not the spare parts, just the labour). But products are affordable. Food ingredients, TVs, cars, computer parts, ... despite the high taxes they are quite affordable (perhaps due to everyone just ordering electronics etc. online... so lots of shops are competing with each other).

sorry ho.. i am driving ...... GTR. haha. PROTON? they are my ATM. hahaha.

this comment is the Best so FAR!

Dear all,
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but just pretend for a moment that all things being equal, and Proton is selling a C segment car as with every other vendor. And at most, Proton is only receiving a mere '30%' advantage from import duty (http://www.maa.org.my/info_duty.htm). And lets set a constant of 120k for most C sec car.

Proton * 1.3 = 120000
Proton = 92300

So technically, Proton has a leeway to jack it up to 92k and pack more stuff in and bring more destruction to their opponents. Since critics are always saying Proton got ridiculous advantage. But of course, all things being equal.

This calc is most probably...terribly wrong in more than 1 way. Please focus the bashing on the math and not the person, shouldnt be that hard right....right? '

I got nothing against proton .

I am actually quite impressed by the new Suprima.

BUT THOSE f***IN COCK SUCKERS JUST HAD TO MAKE A CHINESE AH BENG ADVERTISEMENT

FFS la, insulting the intelligence of the public with their sorry excuse for an advert.

Anyways. Dont like it enough to buy it. Too used to absolute silence in the car while driving. That thing rattles like a train

So what with you are driving a GTR. Did I ask what car you drove?

meaning u care.. HAHAHAHA

yea..when i listen to that ahbeng in adv.. wanna vomit. just want to know what message is that? meaning majority chinese dont buy proton? later ppl will say me racist again. haiz. if u want a good message to consumer do it nicely. people using hard earn money and not to buy car like proton ..er.. what car is that?? proton tiara? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

make my laugh till stomachache.. worst than HOLDEN if u know what car is that..

because i want to tell u what PROTON car is since u dont understand

Kesian proton ken bash everytime when they in the news......japanese car maker makan u terang terang u still ok....insapla...

What do you understand about Proton? Enlighten me with details since you have better understanding than me.

AFAIK Proton shouldn't be getting any tax advantages over ASEAN produced cars (i.e. Vios, Almera, ...). The only advantage (and it is a big one) they get is that the development costs are in parts covered by the government. Without it Proton probably couldn't operate, because they can't spread out the costs to enough cars to be profitable.