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post Feb 1 2007, 08:45 PM

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yea roland arrangers are cool. the price is ok for the features. i think u can get a roland arranger for less than 2k, brand new. the E-09, if i'm not mistaken. 61 keys. check with bentley or chambers.
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post Feb 1 2007, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(zoomckng @ Feb 1 2007, 08:45 PM)
yea roland arrangers are cool. the price is ok for the features. i think u can get a roland arranger for less than 2k, brand new. the E-09, if i'm not mistaken. 61 keys. check with bentley or chambers.
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Yea, the E-09 is the cheapest Roland Arranger Keyboard, 61keys. You can find a huge/long video demo for it on it at Roland US website.

Anyway, during this year NAMM 2007, Roland also launched new Arranger Keyboard, the EXR-46 OR, looks more powerful, also 61keys. Not sure how much is it, and when it's gonna reach here.

If got budget, should really check out the FP7, just watch the videos. There's also a piano designer function, which allows you to customize/modify your patches/tones. The guy got mention about it on the video, tough, I'm not sure how it looks like. The KR107 has the Piano designer function as well, you can watch the demo there, but I'm not sure if it's similar.
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post Feb 2 2007, 08:10 AM

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if i got the money i'll get the G-70. Very powerful arranger, and realistic acoustic instruments sound. RolandUS.com makes very good demo videos, makes u wanna buy everything. :-)
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post Feb 2 2007, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(zoomckng @ Feb 2 2007, 08:10 AM)
if i got the money i'll get the G-70. Very powerful arranger, and realistic acoustic instruments sound. RolandUS.com makes very good demo videos, makes u wanna buy everything. :-)
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LoL, yeah, the G70, superb and the LCD Screen was way cool! Complete Organ Tone Wheel Modelling. But the latest one was version 3 and I read many are annoyed with them updating the version, sort of. I don't see that model in Bentley when I went there, but I saw Fantom X8, "woah", the real one was a kill! It'll be so tempting to see the real G70.

Watching the video is what makes me buy my roland, the videos give me understand the product more and grabs my attention! Plus, Roland's piano/keyboard has profesional and killer looks! And their website are so complete or full or information, I even posted for inquiries and support and they replied well. The UK website was not bad as well. So far, other brand has poor support/info, etc. By the way, another tempting one which almost makes me change my mind was the Yamaha S90ES, anyway, actually I only like the Grand Piano patch, IMO, it's more modern type of sound, more harmonic/nice suitable for modern pop songs.... Roland's one is either very dark type or very bright, if playing classical, jazz, it's good. Well, one biggest drawback of the Yamaha S90ES is the look, it looks like a "toy" to me, like those kid's piano and the build quality from the video I saw is dissapointing, can hear the "click" of the button so obvious, and the "plastic hammer" sound of the keys, even in the videos itself. I forgot where I download the video, but it was cool altough the demonstrater looks kinda "not pro" (not sure what's the word), unlike Roland one, especially Corey Fournier, very profesional. If you happen to found the video, one nice part is where the guy plays the Rock song with backups, "woah", really like a rock band playing.

To make it more temping, watch the video "Why A Roland Piano?", you can find it in KR117M Digital Grand Piano section and a few other like newly launched RG-3 Digital Grand Piano, newly launched HP203 to HP207. The videos are amazing to let you know about Roland more, showing the History, Technology and Quality. Now I'm tempted to see their new Progressive Hammer Action II (PHA-II) keys... If there's only upgrade for keys... argh...

EDIT: Found the link to the video for S90ES
http://www.yamaha-europe.com/yamaha_europe...ovies/index.php
Note: Look for "S90ES"


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post Feb 2 2007, 11:16 PM

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Why kind of keyboards u guys r using? have pics to share? thx





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post Feb 4 2007, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Feb 1 2007, 07:55 PM)
"hoping to get 1 thats like a piano" and "So getting a keyboard is better" seems to clashed badly.

Anyway, there're cheap digital pianos competitive pricing as the a keyboard. It depends what you choose, you could get a simple Yamaha Digital Piano with very little feature at a very cheap price OR you could get a Yamaha keyboard with a lot more features. If you're tight on budget and looking for a digital piano but with more feature, you can opt for Casio, they're cheap and very up to date, got tons of feature, of course most people would rate the sound, feel and touch "not good". It still depends on the buyer anyway, some might feel ok, or some might not mind, but you have to consider the FUTURE, one day you MIGHT get more experience, etc. Also, selling would be another problem, there're always new models, new technologies, and so for the digital road, it's good to get one good one and settle down rather than planning to sell of, unless you get a really really cheap one (but I would not recommend, I used to have a 61-keys keyboard, and it's one MAJOR reason for improvements, satisfaction, etc. When you played a digital piano, you'll notice a vast difference).

Anyway, if you're really interested in a Yamaha Digital Piano and cheap one, you can check out the P series, P60, P70, etc... It's not big, it's portable and have 88-keys, but it has very little features and patches. By the way, for more better sound, you can upgrade by adding a MOTIF RACK, so, even with a very simple keyboard/digital piano, you can have all the sounds, and many more features from those high-end keyboard/digital piano.

One more thing, if you've played a few times on a digital piano (weigthed hammer keys), and you try playing the keyboard, you'll feel the keyboard like a "Toy".

If you want something good, but it's not cheap, I think at least RM5K or 6K. It's a new product from Roland, just launched recently during the NAMM SHOW 2007, it's the Roland FP7. There's a lower end model the FP4, but I would recommend FP7. You can check Roland US website and watch the video.
http://www.rolandus.com
Navigate to Products>Digital Piano>Stage Pianos>FP7

The RD700SX is also a very powerful model, but the FP7 are more up to date with new features, it's just in a lower class range. The RD700SX does not come with built-in speaker and it cost around RM8K. You can check out the videos too if you want, it's very cool. The FP7 just launch, I'm not sure when it will reach here.

If you're looking for 76-keys keyboard only, you can find many in most music shops which sells piano/keyboard. If have a little more budget for keyboard, try checking out the Roland Interactive Arranger keyboard, they're good and fun to play. They're quite expensive, but I think someone is selling the second hand high-end Arranger model for less than 2K in lelong.com.my.

Lastly, good luck on whatever your decision and happy shopping!
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Oh... I didnt know that there is Digital Piano... i tot there is only keyboard only...
Thz, i was actually looking for a piano, but digital piano is more portable and less expensive...

As for function, im still not sure what izzit for... ill try asking around for description...

Hmm... seems Yamaha is very recommended... should visit a yamaha shop these days...

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post Feb 5 2007, 04:03 PM

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im just using a very low end yamaha keyboard with touch response in my room for practising.. but for beginner, i guess it's sufficient with all the function provided.. some keyboards even come with 'hammer action' ( if im not mistaken ) that kinda give u the feel of playing the piano.. oh ya, is there any difference between the keyboard with hammer action with the digital piano?
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post Feb 5 2007, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(James_yka @ Feb 4 2007, 01:57 AM)
Oh... I didnt know that there is Digital Piano... i tot there is only keyboard only...
Thz, i was actually looking for a piano, but digital piano is more portable and less expensive...

As for function, im still not sure what izzit for... ill try asking around for description...

Hmm... seems Yamaha is very recommended... should visit a yamaha shop these days...

Thank you very much...  thumbup.gif
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Keyboard, Digital Piano, basically, they're the same, Digital Piano have "weighted keys" or simply put, keys like a real piano and depends on which type you're taking about, a portable/stage digital piano, looks exactly like a keyboard except the keys. A Home Digital Piano, will have varierty like the acoustic piano, there's Digital Upright and Digital Grand (even have Baby Grand, smaller and shorter version).

As for function, again, check the Roland US website for more information, basically, the functions are the same between brands, only certain are unique.
http://www.rolandus.com
- Check KR103, KR105, KR107 Upright Digital Piano for video demo of various functions and tones.
- Check RD700SX Portable/Stage Piano for video demo of the portable version. (Caution! This is a killer and profesional looking piano!)
(Note: The FP7 Stage Piano is newly launched by Roland during mid of January 2007, it's in the lower class range from the RD series, but since it's new, it has many new up to date features.)
- Check the RG-7 Digital Grand for video demo about Roland (History, Technology and Quality). Worth check out if you're considering a Roland.

Yamaha is preferred by many, usually for the sound. But you should test it out yourself, the sound, touch and feel depends on individual preference. One may prefer one over the other.

You should test and try out different brands and models before you decide to buy. Before you went for testing, it's better to understand more on the functions/features, it'll help more.


Added on February 5, 2007, 8:28 pm
QUOTE(nicholas_1213 @ Feb 5 2007, 04:03 PM)
im just using a very low end yamaha keyboard with touch response in my room for practising..  but for beginner, i guess it's sufficient with all the function provided.. some keyboards even come with 'hammer action' ( if im not mistaken ) that kinda give u the feel of playing the piano.. oh ya, is there any difference between the keyboard with hammer action with the digital piano?
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It depends what you planned for yourself in the future. Even for beginner, it's recommended to start with a real piano / digital piano because the weighted keys will make a difference. You'll train your hand/finger dexterity, strength, fingering, etc. Plus, the sound is also important factor, you'll notice more when you try to "play by ear" or achieve sound satisfaction.

By the way, if you play a few times on a digital piano, you'll feel the keyboard like a toy, the keys especially, it'll feel so light, plastic and fragile.

Keyboard with hammer action usually is the portable digital piano, the digital piano is part of the keyboard family. There's so many types of keyboards, e.g. Arrangers, Works-stations etc. The weighted/hammer keys can also be found on keyboard controller, and the Roland Fantom X8 Music Workstation. It gives better feel or preferrable by many musicians, especially piano players.


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post Feb 17 2007, 12:47 PM

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know any sites where i can read more in synths? need to learn more on the technical side like LFO's, filters, etc
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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Feb 17 2007, 12:47 PM)
know any sites where i can read more in synths? need to learn more on the technical side like LFO's, filters, etc
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Not sure if this site can help:
http://www.tweakheadz.com/software_synths.html

It's about software synths, but there's also many other good information from the site.

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post Feb 21 2007, 12:25 AM

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thanks. ive read almost everything on that page before(not only on synths but also other stuff). has lots of good stuff
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Any keyboardist here plays metal stuff like Children of Bodom, Cradle of Filth, Warmen, Stratovarius, Dream Theater/Liquid Tension Experiment or even Nightwish? There're so many more reknown bands out there with a keyboardist and I am just wondering whether anyone has such influences.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Feb 5 2007, 08:14 PM)
The weighted/hammer keys can also be found on keyboard controller, and the Roland Fantom X8 Music Workstation. It gives better feel or preferrable by many musicians, especially piano players.
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Piano players will love it. Organ players will cry laugh.gif
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QUOTE(justin_nys @ May 5 2007, 11:26 AM)
Piano players will love it. Organ players will cry  laugh.gif
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LoL, you can set the weight or "heavy-ness" of the touch... It's digital... One point of the weigthed keys is the looks, piano/organ like keys. The "weight" or "heavy" touch can usually be set. Plus, organs are also a common patch found on keyboards...

Check on higher end keyboards/digital pianos, they have "Tone-Wheel Modelling" function for Organ players, and the RD700SX is also being used by many Organist, even tough it's a Synthesizer + Digital Piano.

Check http://www.rolandus.com/products/productde...666&ParentId=87.
Check out the demo video, there's one about "Tone Wheel Modelling" and watch the guy jam on the Organ patch. It's very cool!
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nice! too bad im not a keyboardist.
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post May 11 2007, 01:10 PM

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any1 noe whr can i buy a hand roll piano(keyboard) in malaysia?
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post May 11 2007, 01:19 PM

 
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hand roll ?
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post May 11 2007, 01:31 PM

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yeah.. means its a flexible 1 la.. saw on the internet.. think quite convenient for me living in a small cramped hostel like tis..
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ May 5 2007, 07:31 PM)
LoL, you can set the weight or "heavy-ness" of the touch... It's digital... One point of the weigthed keys is the looks, piano/organ like keys. The "weight" or "heavy" touch can usually be set. Plus, organs are also a common patch found on keyboards...

Check on higher end keyboards/digital pianos, they have "Tone-Wheel Modelling" function for Organ players, and the RD700SX is also being used by many Organist, even tough it's a Synthesizer + Digital Piano.

Check http://www.rolandus.com/products/productde...666&ParentId=87.
Check out the demo video, there's one about "Tone Wheel Modelling" and watch the guy jam on the Organ patch. It's very cool!
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My Yamaha keyboard doesn't have hammer action. And I was playing it for 1 month before going back home. I used to play the piano back home and felt the keys of the keyboard to be very light. After that, when I tried playing the piano, I felt piano keys heavy pula, but after 1 week, gotten used to the piano again.
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Hmm...many posts seem to lean towards having weighted keys. I prefer having non-weighted because that would generally suit my style of playing. Also some seem to place an emphasis on realistic sounds. Why is that? What happened to synths, vocoders, arps?

On a sidenote, i'll be getting a Korg TR61 soon. happy.gif

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