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 Folding Bicycles v2, Dahon, Tern, Java, Oribike, Bromptons

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guilt
post Feb 12 2014, 07:45 AM

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Hi guys, need some advice on purchasing my first bike.
Will be using it to cycle to/from work, place is around kajang/bbb.

A question, how does Dahon Vybe C7A compares to Raleigh Ugo?

From the post around here, it seems like the Dahon brand is the better known one, but the price is rather out of my budget (RM 700-800 ).

On the other side, considering my rather heavy weight, I am worried about getting a subpar folding bike. Any advice?
guilt
post Feb 12 2014, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Feb 12 2014, 08:56 AM)
For the first time, honestly! I say the Raleigh is a much more solid looking foldie. If you want a better comparison, go to Kimbell Jaya. They now have both of it in stock. Ask Jimmy to bring out both bikes and compare it side by side. The Dahon is RM800 while the Raleigh UGo is RM750. Although Dahon Vybe C7S ( NOT C7A which is an aluminium frame) is RM50 priced higher, the components on the Raleigh is better. In fact the colour is even better but you know lah, a reknown brand compared to another not so popular brand. It's up to you.

Both have their pros and cons. ride wise, the Dahon C7S is better due to the steel frame but it's heavier and in future moddings, it is easier on the Dahon which has more superior parts that can be found in the market. Clamp wise (the folding part) it is still Dahon.  nod.gif
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Personally, I actually prefer Raleigh's design compared to the Dahon, what I'm more concerned about is actually their durabiity. Seems like I'll be going with the Raleigh after all, I just hope it is able to endure the torture from my weight.

BTW, I noticed that there are actually several folding bikes that's even cheaper, things like:

http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/item/218442/imagine-foldies
http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/item/187970/...b-free-delivery
http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/item/229529/...oldingbike-2014

What is the usual catch with these bikes? durability? safety? or what?
guilt
post Feb 12 2014, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Feb 12 2014, 10:16 PM)
I bought raleigh after listening to etigge's advise earlier. Yes no doubt this foldie is robust and seems tough. My only complaint is that with only 7 speed i ran out of gears pretty fast. On hill climb, the largest gear still need hard pedalling while on downhill, the highest gear also cannot sync the pedalling. Lol. Now only training my legs. Once my stamina is ok i might with upgrade the gearings or change bike.
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I see. Glad to hear that its a solid bike.

I actually don't know much about the gears, but I thought high number of gears is only useful if the rider is trying to get the optimal pedaling resistance? Does it mean even at the lowest gear it still is though to climb most hill?
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post Feb 13 2014, 07:38 PM

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hi guys, got a question again.

I visited a bike shop near my workplace earlier, not planning to buy anything, just wanted to try and see the bikes in person.

Turns out the shop don't have a Raleigh Ugo in stock, so I can't try it out. They do have a Dahon C7A in stock, but it's rather pricey, around RM1200+.

One thing that caught my eyes is a folding bike with a sticker that says GTA, which I guess is the brand. I am pretty sure it is the same thing as the one in this one:

http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/item/232413/gta-folding

Thing is, that place is selling it for < RM 650. How can there be such a big difference? ( For those who don't want to click the online listing, the price there is RM 1300. )
Is the online listing overpricing it? or the place I visited is underpricing it (which I doubt, seeing how their Dahon price is higher than other places.)?

Personally, I do think it is very cheap for a folding with 3X7 gears ( I think, I don't know much about bicycle gear).

If the market rate is indeed around RM 650, how can it be so cheap with such spec?
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post Feb 14 2014, 05:57 AM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Feb 13 2014, 10:17 PM)
U gotta pay attention to the components that is installed on the bike. The gears? The pedals? Crank? Fd and rd? Chain? Perhaps thats what make the price different. Just like the link that u posted. Both pictures of the GTA are not the same. I noticed the white came with disc brake while the red came with normal C-brake.

Just like those montague paratrooper clones. Price ranged from 750-900. Why? Different speeds, different derailleurs, different brake components, hell even different folding pattern!
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It seems to me like they the same model. Are you saying they switched out the parts on a new bike?

Or do you mean the ones I saw might be a Chinese clone model like the 800+- Hummer bikes?
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post Feb 14 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Feb 14 2014, 09:24 AM)
i cant say for sure. need someone more experienced to advise.

but just my feel, it is better to be on the safe side by buying known brands and tried, tested and proven bicycles. well unless if u dont mind being the white mouse lah.
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QUOTE(etigge @ Feb 14 2014, 09:31 AM)
There are a few of those similar looking bikes. I have seen Montague Paratrooper and also the said Hummer. Hummer is a spin off from the original Montague. Montague became famous after the military ordered them for troop use. Both frames look alike but the replica ones, the joints will get loose and you will eventually lock it permanently with a strong nut and bolt  tongue.gif after a few hard uses.

Many of the frames are now made in China due to cost cutting and also cheap labour force as with many other products. In fact most products now. Even Taiwanese bicycles are now made in China and so are many bicycle components. Sometimes you see same products at much much different prices. Why?

It is all to do with warranty and quality control. A factory can run into over runs and they dispose off in bulk, hence cheap components. They do not carry warranty nor any responsibilty on these products. Like Shimano or SRAM, a few grades are made in China and they are very much cheaper but the principal do make higher grade components in other more higher quality factories to safe guard their brand. Cheaper ones which are their bread and butter needs to be competitive in the expanding market. They are not made to last, else everyone will become a 'ONE TIME CUSTOMER".

Also bulk purchase is also a contributing factor. A factory might order components in big quantity to make it standard fittings and usually they are very much cheaper than buying in nicely boxed form. Eg. a bottom bracket might cost you RM80 when yours is kaput and need to be changed but during the factory fitting, they might cost as little as RM20 or less. This is just figuratively off course, there's no way we will know the actual cost.

Just like Dahon, the frames are also made in China and factory over runs do get into traders hands and they labelled it other brands although they are from the same stock. They don't go through the same QC and many other processes though.  nod.gif
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I see. Then how do you feel about the GTA brand? are their bike durable? what are the usual market price for the model that I linked above?

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