where's the popcorn?

yup, i dont understand the 'hate'. usually calling mr-s as 'underpowered', really???

why??


i dont understand misinformation or boys claiming it's a girly/hairdresser's car.


First & foremost, back then the mr-s or mr2 spyder was created to re-enter to small sportscar market that the very first generation MR2 AW11 sparked a whole new interest in it. sure the Mazda (Miata) then swoop it up with its brilliant back to basics MX5 (using similar cues & template as a yardstick from the early 60s lotus élan)

They (mazda) virtually swept the small sports car segment & rightfully claimed the world's best selling sportscar/roadster! there is no shame in that!!

Toyota while then had the second generation SW20 (more powerful since they also had turbo over the NA) certainly wowed the enthusiast! Claims of chalking 400hp, 500 hp from the 3SSGTE was pretty normal.

but the SW20 certainly had added too much weight on its rear, esp the turbos MR, its quite tricky driving with so much power & ONE don't want spooling it hard at mid corner, hairy experience. only those who attempted will understand. (sorry not for those who "claims" or hear say). It's still a fine car btw the testimony is a couple of them are still driving it from day one.

Now, i digress. toyota felt the SW20 was getting too hard to sell in the global scenario. back it the mid 90s, i believe there is a report that showed 37units & the following year only 9 units SW20 was sold in the whole of USA on it's last year there, whereas the mazda was laughing its way to the bank. While the SW20 was suppose to be a step up category over the AW11, it was painful to see what toyota sparked, was swoop by another car maker in penetrating that segment.

IN truth,Toyota wanted to chalk back some numbers, so back to the drawing board, to see what made the AW11 so popular in its single largest market & sparked the small sports car segment up.

Is it in the same class as the S2k? no, of course not. the STook is a category up & more expensive. WHY can't people understand this simple classification???



[*sales figure edit: source Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A.]

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Aug 18 2013, 04:24 PM

i would say to those who intend to seek the real truth than to judge from just hearsay.


Like to anyone who express interest in the MR-S, or the 3rd generation of the MR2. there are tons of info out there.

NO not many of us go out to, spend tons of our free time online just to propagate an ultimate drive car, because most of us have real world lives & rather spend driving a car i think most of us enjoy.

Yes there are those who persist on perpetuation misconceptions, for they are either ignorant or rather clueless about other car makes.

There are of different segmentation of buyers out there. Of course there is, why the hell did car makers ONLY want to make just one gene of cars for everybody.

Some owners i have come across rather drive their cars as is (no changes, adds, mods, i also sure most of you guys should encounter them too) & in hope their cars will generate a handsome profit in the event when it becomes a 'classic' sometime in the future. I don't want to dispute their intentions, they purchased their cars, keep it in pristine condition, hardly drives it (or maybe chunk up 5 minutes to warm the engine then shut down) because driving it will drive down the mileage. Sure, maybe they get lucky someone in the future will plonk godzillion dollars for it.

I will tell people this, the MR2 (any generation) is NOT a collectors car, i doubt so. It's meant to be driven not parked to await it's destiny.

Yes there is a mr2/mr-s community amongst us, some of us are cult'ish about it but never pompous. We acknowledge there are better cars, more expensive cars out there, though some of us may not move on or unless someone gifts us a super, supercar (yeah right). The MR community is pretty happy as it is.

Hope this helps TS, and dispel some misconceptions.

Though TS may have sights on something else, which is not wrong. Choices are his and depends on one's purchasing power there are alternatives. Happy hunting.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Aug 18 2013, 02:15 PM

no lar

i must confess, i sure there are also others who are more well informed, some of which who are in the motor industry itself.

I am just a simple enthusiast, yes i have previously own a supercharged AW11 (not transplanted) many years ago. it was unfortunate someone decided to rear-end me while i was awaiting service from AAM at the emergency lane. You know lar malaysians and their bad habits of driving/cutting on emergency lanes. total loss of my ride back then (though it was resurrected by some other workshop after my claims of total loss yup it was like seeing your ex-gf on the road, scary!! )

thereafter some years, I did searched for the SW20, scouted a dozen before realising what i really wanted was not a power car but a nimble lithe sports car.

of course i did pull the lotus elise into the picture back then while deciding on my ride, while some may say elise is real sports car while the others are not. Well it was simply because someone offer the elise to me at the same price i was looking at AND it (elise) only clocked 2000km!! pristine cond.

I had to look into real world scenario. I dont have a super large home nor stay with my parents (whom may have more parking space). I'm a realist, one parking lot in real world scenario meant ONE possibly daily driven car. If the elise was my 2nd, 3rd, or 4th ride, i will gladly open to the idea.


btw my ride is not the gulf car

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Aug 18 2013, 01:36 PM

sussh, don't need the title


There will always be bashers, it will be lesser of the world if not for these guys.

i don't think any of us are perturbed by others who choose to impose their car beliefs or habit to others (usually towards rookies) as if is so bloody sacred. It's either that or you are not with us. sounds familiar right?

Truthfully there are hard facts & there are soft inclinations on why some buyers choose one over the other.

Buyers are diverse & one cannot just group to just "Hey, this is the ultimate car and has the BESTEST car specs, Buy (only) this!! it's stupid not to"


Well mark, it is tough that we (MR community) misses you. I'm sure you did find something you are looking for. there is always a solution to the end.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Aug 18 2013, 02:22 PM

Regretfully there is no replacing the MX5 as most mods/aftermarket parts, it is still king, simply there are tons of MX5, all generations who form a bigger market. Just like honda, it helps drives cost down in a way for those tuners.

I'm sure the mx5 is still making owners having tons of fun out of it. I do know of a couple of mx5 owners.