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Investment MOVE TO COOL OFF PROPERTY INDUSTRY COULD BACKFIRE, None of the Asian countries had success

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AVFAN
post Aug 11 2013, 06:25 PM

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besides some filthy rich young and old, the average malaysian is already quite poor, already in a lot of debt.

only way for the poor fella to buying a home is more n more debt. no gud la... gud for alan tong et al maybe...

1st, remove all crony margins and commissions in the land and approval deals.

2nd, fed gomen need to bear some of the infra-utility costs and not pass to dev to pass to buyers.

3rd, stop or at least reduce the special discounts for special species, stop letting others pay.

4th, raise rpgt and stop the greedy from taking it all.


but in boland, all that is almost impossible la....

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post Aug 11 2013, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Aug 11 2013, 06:32 PM)
In Bolehland...

To control the property industry is very simple.
An astonishing % majority of property transactions in Malaysia is occuring amongst the Chinese despite being the minority group in terms of population.

An increase in Bumi quota would kill off the speculation and rising property prices and at the same time kill off most of our developer's customer base. THe limited supply would mean that these units will be expensive and only for some high income Chinese.
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tat's precisely why the quota and discount thing is not working for the masses, only benefit a minority popn segment.

dun ever think there r no poor chinese or no rich bumis la...

no discount, just raise rpgt - fair n square for rakyat, good for gomen to get revenue, plow it back somewhere like infra.

that's the answer la.

why apply gst to tax the poor while the rich fellas keep gorenging?

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post Aug 11 2013, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Aug 11 2013, 06:48 PM)
The "real" rich are not really gorenging yet actually... even if they do speculate, their numbers are just so small to create an impact.

Most speculator or flipper wannabes today are just me and you in this forum. The only problem is they are "over-leveraged", they treated property as a mean to earn income, and surprisingly the mass of these people are ethnic-Chinese despite they not getting discounts, etc.

Back to Alan Tong' comments, yes Malaysia is in dire need of affordable housing especially in Klang Valley where it faces a huge shortage. But the shortage is mainly amongst the Malay community in Malay areas.
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when i say "rich", i mean incl those young 25 yr olds like u capable of borrwoing millions to goreng.

no, i dun goreng anymore. tongue.gif
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post Aug 11 2013, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Aug 11 2013, 06:58 PM)
The game changer is Govt must step in to participate in property development by focusing on PR1MA.
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tis i m not sure if useful.

gomen n bnm need to deal with economy thru monetary n fiscal measures, for prop and every sector.

micro managing too much will lead inevitably to disaster incl damaging the private sector.

unless it is declared housing shud be a controlled item.
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post Sep 11 2013, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Anon_1986 @ Sep 11 2013, 01:13 PM)
Mmm, plenty of illogical arguments in the article. It is either the product of an uneducated, confused mind, or intentionally dishonest. Considering his status, I'm guessing the latter is true.

Cooling measures are good for property investors and bad for developers. The purpose of cooling measures is to avoid or modulate the  expected crash part of an ordinary property cycle. Crashes are very painful for individual homeowners and investors, and drastically life-changing.

Most of the property cycle models adduced in this forum and elsewhere do not take into account government intervention to stop the positive feedback of higher prices that will ultimately always end in a crash.

I've always maintained that with proper policies, BNM may be able to cause stagnation instead of a crash.

Developers on the other hand who are selling properties at so called "future prices" have an incentive to maintain the appearance that future prices are going to be higher. Without that appearance, they stand to lose out against sub-sale properties selling at a lower price.

Again, just goes to show, the property market is all about smoke and mirrors. Appearances and sentiment. The fundamentals don't matter. Why should they?
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enlarged comments is thumbup.gif.

if sime, inp, sunrise, setia founders/bosses get bought out at fat prices, why shud any of them n associates say anything negative or even real?!

those not bot out yet n their spokesmen wil b smart enuf keep prices high, suck them dry n then get forced to sell to u-know-who.

very boland. who buys, who sell or kennot buy or sell, who pays in the end, u decide.

"if u dun like it, u can go." - the new boland motto. tongue.gif

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post Sep 17 2013, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE
Is Malaysia’s property market headed for a Dubai-style crash?
  Text Size  Published: Monday, 16 Sep 2013 | 7:10 PM ETBy: Leslie Shaffer

Malaysia's office construction boom could lead to a Dubai-style property bust, CIMB warns, but other analysts expect a more muted correction.

Dubai's early story is similar to Malaysia's current ambitions, CIMB said, noting both had plans to build iconic "tallest" office towers and other commercial projects to lift industry standards and alleviate Grade-A office space shortages.

But CIMB noted, Dubai had a "one-up" given demand from Fortune 500 companies already located there and steady occupancy rates around 97 to 99 percent, compared with Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur's occupancy in the low to mid 80 percent range.

After years of frenetic development, which included constructing the world's tallest building, Dubai suffered a massive real-estate crash in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, with property losing more than 50 percent of its value by 2011 as excessive speculation came home to roost. CIMB noted half-empty buildings continue to plague Dubai's skyline.

On the slate for the Kuala Lumpur area are the 118-story Warisan Merkeka Tower, targeted as the tallest building in Southeast Asia and part of a huge complex that will include two condominium blocks, a hotel tower and an underground subway station, as well as the 28-building Tun Razak Exchange project targeted as an international financial hub, CIMB noted.

The report estimates around 17 million square feet of gross office floor area will come on-stream between 2015 and 2017, adding that even if demand doubles, it won't absorb the influx.

It's not just about empty offices, CIMB said.

"Without the solid backing of fundamental demand, the overbuilding of commercial real estate could result in painful long-term issues, such as a magnified oversupply of office space, depressed rentals and yields, wastage of strategic land resources and knock-on effects on the financial sector as borrowers default on their loans and the industry's non-performing-loan ratio rises," it said, adding that if the government offers funding for the projects, any losses will pressure public debt.

But other analysts note that not all of Malaysia's office vacancies are created equal.

"A lot of the vacancies are found in buildings that are not built to a specification that a multinational tenant would want," said Alan Cheong, senior director at Savills Research in Singapore.

He noted tenants tend to leave buildings that are 10-15 years old as the maintenance isn't up to the standards seen in neighboring Singapore.

Overall, "grade-A vacancy rates are quite low," especially in centrally located buildings, he noted.

Cheong doesn't expect Malaysia to see an office-market crash as demand is likely to remain constant. "You'd have to scare the daylights out of the supply side," he said. "Even if it's down 10 percent, it's not a crash. It's just a reaction to greater supply."

Even the planned Warisan Merkeka Tower, which he calls a "hypothetical building," could act as "pump priming," as it may generate temporary office demand for the construction companies and material suppliers in Kuala Lumpur, Cheong said.

The government's plan to increase the population of the Kuala Lumpur area to 10 million from the current 6 million by 2020 will also spur greater property demand, he said . The population plan is contingent on more Malaysians moving into the Kuala Lumpur area and not on immigration, he noted.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101035981

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post Sep 22 2013, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Sep 22 2013, 12:20 PM)
Me is generation X. I also planned to retire at 30, but failed.

Last time, I always say Gen W has way easier life than Gen X. Now I hear Gen Y say Gen X is better. I feel I am getting old because there is another generation now saying my generation is better

Every generation always thought that the last generation is better  laugh.gif
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i think many gen x hoped to retire at 40 but most failed.

gen y now wants to retire at 30? gen z will want to retire at 25 then?

the stark truth is gen x survives mostly on hard savings, gen y on debt.

at this rate, when gen x exhausts all savings upon death while gen y gets old but still living in debt, what will gen z live on?

well, the movies will show crowded sheds, polluted air and water, very little meat on the table, etc... how grim! tongue.gif


i like the song... mike n mechanics' living years:

Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door

I know that I'm a prisoner
To all my Father held so dear
I know that I'm a hostage
To all his hopes and fears
I just wish I could have told him in the living years
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/mike+the+mech...s_20093565.html


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