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Investment MOVE TO COOL OFF PROPERTY INDUSTRY COULD BACKFIRE, None of the Asian countries had success

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MimiMiao
post Sep 12 2013, 01:56 PM

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http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...sures-bite.aspx

But can this be considered a success? blink.gif
hondaracer
post Sep 16 2013, 10:22 AM

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Anyone know the proposed cooling measures being prepared for budget??
johngalt
post Sep 16 2013, 11:17 AM

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Nothing much the government can do, really. The market always prevails in cases like this. Just ask Singapore and Hong Kong. smile.gif

The authorities should instead tackle the root cause of the problem - the mismatch between supply and demand. Also, manage the process inefficiencies and bureaucracy.

http://goodplace.my/blog/this-week-in-prop...on-of-insanity/

Increasing tax is kinda futile because it's levied on profits, not on transaction prices.
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post Sep 16 2013, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(MimiMiao @ Sep 12 2013, 01:56 PM)
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...sures-bite.aspx

But can this be considered a success?  blink.gif
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I second. Particularly like the following statements :


"There are no speculators in the market now due to the tightening measures, so developers are forced to sell properties close to the market price," said research associate director Wong Leung Sing at Centaline Property Agency."

"Developers are selling new homes at about a 20 percent premium over prices in the second-hand home market, a sharp fall from price premiums of between 50 percent and 80 percent before the latest round of property curbs started last October, said Knight Franks' Lam."

"Cheung Kong offered a 10 percent discount and paid an extra 3.75 percent stamp duty on sales of its newly launched project"



So, if the authorities stand firm, choke off the speculators, developers will be forced to lower prices to "close to the market price"?

hondaracer
post Sep 16 2013, 11:53 PM

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Well.... We will see what happen in bolehland soon, let see how our PM najib handle the same problem in Malaysia when the new budget is released in October ..... People are rushing to sell their properties to lock profit before GOV share in their gains!!!!😎😎😎😎🍷🍷🍷🍷

One way to plug our national deficit, raise speculator taxes, share with the common rakyat, their wealth gained....πŸ˜„πŸ˜„πŸ˜„πŸ˜„πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰




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post Sep 17 2013, 12:52 AM

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Even Malaysians like T.Y. Hooi who are still willing to spend on property investment will come up against central bank measures to curb household debt. Since 2009, the 29-year-old entrepreneur has bought four condominiums around Kuala Lumpur.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-16/m...s-spending.html

4 condo in 4 years rclxms.gif





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post Sep 17 2013, 08:42 AM

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Is Malaysia’s property market headed for a Dubai-style crash?
  Text Size  Published: Monday, 16 Sep 2013 | 7:10 PM ETBy: Leslie Shaffer

Malaysia's office construction boom could lead to a Dubai-style property bust, CIMB warns, but other analysts expect a more muted correction.

Dubai's early story is similar to Malaysia's current ambitions, CIMB said, noting both had plans to build iconic "tallest" office towers and other commercial projects to lift industry standards and alleviate Grade-A office space shortages.

But CIMB noted, Dubai had a "one-up" given demand from Fortune 500 companies already located there and steady occupancy rates around 97 to 99 percent, compared with Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur's occupancy in the low to mid 80 percent range.

After years of frenetic development, which included constructing the world's tallest building, Dubai suffered a massive real-estate crash in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, with property losing more than 50 percent of its value by 2011 as excessive speculation came home to roost. CIMB noted half-empty buildings continue to plague Dubai's skyline.

On the slate for the Kuala Lumpur area are the 118-story Warisan Merkeka Tower, targeted as the tallest building in Southeast Asia and part of a huge complex that will include two condominium blocks, a hotel tower and an underground subway station, as well as the 28-building Tun Razak Exchange project targeted as an international financial hub, CIMB noted.

The report estimates around 17 million square feet of gross office floor area will come on-stream between 2015 and 2017, adding that even if demand doubles, it won't absorb the influx.

It's not just about empty offices, CIMB said.

"Without the solid backing of fundamental demand, the overbuilding of commercial real estate could result in painful long-term issues, such as a magnified oversupply of office space, depressed rentals and yields, wastage of strategic land resources and knock-on effects on the financial sector as borrowers default on their loans and the industry's non-performing-loan ratio rises," it said, adding that if the government offers funding for the projects, any losses will pressure public debt.

But other analysts note that not all of Malaysia's office vacancies are created equal.

"A lot of the vacancies are found in buildings that are not built to a specification that a multinational tenant would want," said Alan Cheong, senior director at Savills Research in Singapore.

He noted tenants tend to leave buildings that are 10-15 years old as the maintenance isn't up to the standards seen in neighboring Singapore.

Overall, "grade-A vacancy rates are quite low," especially in centrally located buildings, he noted.

Cheong doesn't expect Malaysia to see an office-market crash as demand is likely to remain constant. "You'd have to scare the daylights out of the supply side," he said. "Even if it's down 10 percent, it's not a crash. It's just a reaction to greater supply."

Even the planned Warisan Merkeka Tower, which he calls a "hypothetical building," could act as "pump priming," as it may generate temporary office demand for the construction companies and material suppliers in Kuala Lumpur, Cheong said.

The government's plan to increase the population of the Kuala Lumpur area to 10 million from the current 6 million by 2020 will also spur greater property demand, he said . The population plan is contingent on more Malaysians moving into the Kuala Lumpur area and not on immigration, he noted.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101035981

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post Sep 17 2013, 09:57 AM

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I think nothing will be done to cool the market. They tell u to buy pr1ma. And stop complaining.

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post Sep 17 2013, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Sep 17 2013, 09:57 AM)
I think nothing will be done to cool the market. They tell u to buy pr1ma. And stop complaining.
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Yeah probably sad.gif
We'll never know until the official announcement of 2014 Budget
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post Sep 17 2013, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Sep 17 2013, 09:57 AM)
I think nothing will be done to cool the market. They tell u to buy pr1ma. And stop complaining.
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Slight correction: Nothing CAN be done to cool the market. As any economist worth his salt would tell you: address the fundamentals. Artificial controls will only distort the market for the short-term.
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post Sep 20 2013, 06:58 AM

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Any further news?!
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post Sep 20 2013, 08:24 AM

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Wat if GOM impose 1 person can own 3 properties only?
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post Sep 20 2013, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 20 2013, 08:24 AM)
Wat if GOM impose 1 person can own 3 properties only?
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some ppl will use company or relative name to buy.

for fren and relative just need to pre-sign DOA and POA
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(katijar @ Sep 17 2013, 09:57 AM)
I think nothing will be done to cool the market. They tell u to buy pr1ma. And stop complaining.
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this in reality really does address the fundamentals problem.
pr1ma with its sole objective of providing own stay dwellers would indeed address people's need.
anybody who dissed pr1ma should look at themselves then.
do they want just a roof over their head or do they actually want more from it.
only problem would be, how transparent is allotment of pr1ma going to be?
and how effective it is in terms of enforcement.
eg. no subsale, no lease out, etc

it's sort of akin to you want to get to point a to b.
you can hire a cab (rental - posh)
you can wait for the bus/train (rental - cheaper)
you can ask someone to drive you there (stay with parents/relatives/friends)
you can self drive a mediocre car or motorbike (like most population)
you can self drive a better car (what most people would prefer?)
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post Sep 20 2013, 01:34 PM

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I agree that Pr1ma is a good solution but as mentioned by kochin, how transparent will the project be? And how fast can they start new projects?
Pr1ma is nothing new and yet, from the website, only so few projects... cry.gif
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post Sep 20 2013, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Sep 20 2013, 09:59 AM)
some ppl will use company or relative name to buy.

for fren and relative just need to pre-sign DOA and POA
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U trust yo fren/relative when come to $?
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post Sep 20 2013, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 20 2013, 01:55 PM)
U trust yo fren/relative when come to $?
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good question
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post Sep 20 2013, 09:55 PM

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Any further development/news?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 20 2013, 01:55 PM)
U trust yo fren/relative when come to $?
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it is ok if pre signed DOA and POA..
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Sep 20 2013, 10:32 PM)
it is ok if pre signed DOA and POA..
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Too many possibilities may happen
1. Witness suddenly U-turn
2. Fren/Relative can claim dunno wat he signed


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