Is it a good university to study medicine?have been struggling whether to study in IMU or Newcastle, because I heard many of the good lecturers from IMU had gone to Monash...and I heard that IMU only have two hours of lecture per day....

If IMU local stream, not much difference. IMU pbl based hence less lecture hours.

But Newcastle is very new in Malaysia, is it a good choice to study there? How about the lecturers, are they experienced?

I have a friend studying in NuMed and I went to see the place.. Quite an isolated place where you can't get around without a car. It's like highway all around.

Facilities are new and the good thing is, the hostels (ISV) is within walking distance of the university. They are linked directly to Newcastle Uni (in England), and the exams they sit for in NuMed are the same papers with Newcastle Uni.

They have experienced lecturers, some came from England. They have lectures almost everyday, and they have videos of every lecture topic/class recorded during class which you can review later on, in case you miss class.

Another interesting thing I heard is they have a foster parent program where you will be assigned to a senior who will be your parent that will look out for you

This post has been edited by running-panda: Aug 10 2013, 05:20 PM

Numed I think is the best, since it is directly twinning programme to UK campus

makes no difference, as the end result for both is the same.....you get a degree only recognised in msia....although technically the numed degree is recognised by gmc, you cannot work in uk....both not recognised in spore.....

imu has longer track record, numed is new....while numed uses the same syllabus as the parent campus in uk, it is NOT the same, as the lecturers, the healthcare delivery system, the entire work culture are different...

Ya I know..the lecturers, the entire work culture will be different since UK and Malaysia are two totally different countries. I just wonder Newcastle malaysia can provide good quality of teaching albeit it is new.
I'm an a level student under Bursary...and studying medicine in UK seems hopeless because jpa only sponsors Cambridge and Oxford.
Besides, jpa changed their list and monash is not in the list.
That's y I'm struggling between imu and Newcastle.
If I study specialist abroad, will it be recognised by other country besides malaysia?

If I were you, I would choose NuMed for local stream since most people tend to go for IMU for their twinning programme (which is not under JPA sadly).
I decided to go for UK 5 years direct entry instead of opting for the local programme since the quality of healthcare and education isn't that good in Malaysia as in the UK. I was also an A level bursary student and just graduated in June.

I've heard many not good stories about IMU clinical years but i cannot confirm NuMed would be the same since my seniors haven't complained so far.

The chances are slim if you want to specialist abroad due to the harsh competition but if you do specially good, you might be able to. Recognition such as MRCP and MRCS in the UK are recognized worldwide. (correct me if I'm wrong )

Ooh...which college are you from?
So you are not going to apply for jpa scholarship?
What I heard from houseman was they can actually apply scholarship from government to specialise abroad.
What's MRCP and MRCS?

I was from Taylors College.

Nope, I'm not gonna apply since I'm not interested and i missed out on their camp anyways lol.

Well, that I'm not too sure whether houseman can apply for scholarship since only handful of people are able to specialise abroad. There's still the 2 years compulsory government service after housemanship.

MRCP and MRCS are exams which are somehow like pre-requirements to enter into a specialisation programme in the UK.
MRCP stands for Members of Royal College of Physicians. (Non-surgical specialisation)
MRCS stands for Members of Royal College of Surgeons. (Surgery)
(There's one for A&E and anesthesia but i forgot )

If your med degree is not recognised overseas, you can't specialize abroad.

Are there any universities in Malaysia recognised overseas such as UM and UKM?

Numed is struggling with students need some support from JPA. JPA will still sponsor students in Monash but not from Bursary.

Aha..my senior here..I'm from taylors college too..
Anyways, thx for the info

But why some of those medical officers from UM or UKM can specialise abroad?
UKM and UM are recognised overseas?
IMU provides twinning programme with UK, Australia...etc and it's not recognised overseas?
Newcastle is a branch from UK, is not recognised overseas as well?
Pls advise..thx

I was asking about UM and UKm too. I've heard its recognised in Singapore but I'm not sure for elsewhere.

The twinning programme is recognised since you graduate from the overseas uni. So, you technically get an overseas degree.

Newcastle IS a branch but its a local degree in Malaysia, which is only recognised by GMC Malaysia.

Re UM and UKM, no where else.

There is no "GMC Malaysia", only MMC/MMA.

But the degree is awarded by Newcastle UK....

wrong on both counts.....

Getting confused...

the only local msian med school recognised outside msia is um and ukm, by singapore....(well, you can add sri lanka, who recognises the imu local degree, but i don't see anyone wanting to go there to work)....

monash sunway is recognised in australia, but the chance of getting an intern job in oz is very slim, now that there is a surplus of graduating doctors within australia.....

pmc irish degrees (and presumably, all the other irish franchises in the many private med schools) are recognised in ireland, but again, the chance of getting a job is slim, due to excess numbers of doctors produced in ireland itself...

numed is technically recognised by gmc, but there is NO possibility of qualifying for fy jobs in uk.....

read http://pagalavan.com/education/for-future-.../#comment-28279

if you didnt know, sg gov had planted agents in monash msia, especially the med school offering all kinds of incentive to attract students to work in sg upon graduation.. jpa was so pissed with those that break their bond by paying them back upon graduation... paying back by funds provided by sg gov

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/worl...clinical-health

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-...s/2013/medicine

if you didnt know monash is highly regarding for medicine being one of the best in the world... where's newcastle? at best a 2nd tier school if not 3rd tier school..

globally monash is as highly regarded as sg's nus medical school.. if not for nus-duke tie up post grad med school, it would be even rank lower than monash...

MBBS Monash Sunway Malaysia and Newcastle Malaysia are both not recognised by Singapore.

1st two batch from monash msia was awarded mbbs from monash clayton campus if i had not mistaken... it is therefore recognized

http://www.healthprofessionals.gov.sg/cont...lifications.pdf

those wanting to work in sg, can always transfer to clayton after 2.5 years to get their cert there... or do their postgrad and enter any knowledge body recognized there

http://www.healthprofessionals.gov.sg/cont...lifications.pdf

wrong...

monash sunway is NEVER recognised by smc, ever, whatever batches....

wrong...

there is no possibility of transfer mid course from the sunway campus to the clayton campus.....

d first batch's mbbs is conferred by monash clayton right? first batch as in those that entered around 2007 2008?

No....

There are only 3 batches gratuated.....the certificate does NOT indicate which campus you graduate from......

However, the smc is very clear in that only those who graduated from the main clayton campus is recognised.....the guideline by smc is simple.....only those programmes where the clinical component of the programme is done in the country of conferment of degree will be recognised.....

Then, can you please help me clarify where was I wrong? thanks.

the chances are slim NOT because of 'harsh competition' but because the imu and numed degrees are not recognised.....and even if recognised, will not be able to get a work visa to work in these countries....

being 'specially good' will not make any difference....

qualifications like mrcp/mrcs areis not recognised 'worldwide', but many commonwealth countries do recognised it, as an aid towards specialisation....some countries like singapore allow graduates from non-recognised universities provisional registration to work, if they have these qualifications....

Ok, thanks for the info.

So, generally saying, there's no possibility at all? Even as to publishing articles in medical journals or recommendation from Professors or Specialists.

Sorry for mentioning worldwide then.

Hmm, I didnt know the tests can be taken outside of the UK.

the mrcp and mrcs exams (they come in 3 parts) are conducted in msia regularly....as well as several other countries....

for all professions, especially in medicine, ability to practice (ie work) depends on being registered in the respective medical regulatory bodies....and for non-residents/citizens, the ability to obtain the necessary work visas....

in contrast to many other professions, for doctors, specialisation is ALWAYS working.....never studies in unis......therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE to do post graduate specialisation training without WORKING....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 10 2013, 10:27 PM

So, technically Malaysians who passed the MRCP and MRCS in Malaysia from working in Malaysia are able to apply for specialisation in the UK.

However, the problem lies in obtaining a working visa in the UK?

Sorry for the questions.

You have to read up on the pathways for IMGs in the GMC website.

i did not say that!

haha okok. I assumed wrong then.

I got the info from the GMC website.

Thanks alot for your help!

Ill be studying in the UK so no PLAB for me luckily, just hope ill get a housemen place by the time i graduate. x.x

Which medical school will you be joining?

this year (the batch just started f1 last wednesday), is the third year where there were more applicants than available jobs....however, all 300 'excess' doctors were placed into jobs, as more than 300 originally placed applicants declined their offers....

the graduating numbers, plus applicants from the eu, plus img passing their plabs, will likely continue to exceed available f1 places in the near future....however, unless the 2nd and 3rd groups increase significantly, it is anticipated that all eligible applicants will continue to be placed in the immediate future...the situation will likely change in 3-4 years time....

where are you going?

i am not clear if you are going as a jpa scholar....do note that ALL scholars are recalled this year, there is no possibility of staying back for fy, unless you break the agreement and pay the bond....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 10 2013, 11:40 PM

Ill be going for University of Leicester.

That's what I've heard too about the excess doctors but wasn't sure about it. My sister's friend was one of the 300.. He did managed to get a job but it was not permanent. He got 6 months at Nottingham and another 6 months later at Glasgow.. He now plans to go to Singapore for housemanship.

I'm not a JPA scholar, just a bursary holder for A levels.

Where was the interview done for Uni of Leicester? KL/Singapore, or did you have to fly to the UK?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23614142
Revised fees in the UK. Double whammy -higher fees and exchange rate .

It was done at my college itself. (I only applied to medical schools which hold interviews locally) They had the head of the medical education, which was Professor Stewart Petersen together with the admission officer to conduct the face-to-face interview.

They flew to Singapore first before flying to different colleges in Malaysia to conduct the interviews.

They have interviews in the UK but it was MMI format instead.

My first year fees is about 16k quid for pre-clinical. :/

Hope they don't suddenly change. D:

for programmes that has 2 distinct phases (and that includes leicester), the first 2 years will be charged as for lecture-based courses....and the last 3 years will then attract clinical fees.....

because of this, the first 2 years actually works out cheaper than 5 semesters in imu....

Yup, the last 3 years will be about... 27k quid? would be more due to inflation..

IMU now.. is getting ridiculous for its fees.. They are charging RM 80k for a year (40k per semester)..

People still go for it due to their availability to do the twinning programme.

the 2013 clinical fees for leicester is 27,700....

for people starting now, the clinical fees will be decided in 2015, and will be higher....they generally increase 3-5% a year....

Yea... I dont like it.
The money we pay for good education...
Oh well.. Its a rare and good opportunity, better to not let it go to waste.

Something similar to Queen's, it seems.

Kings College and UCL now looking at 33k to 35k pounds per year!

Milking the foreign cash cows.

Passed by KCL, seems to be in rough district in London. Actually better to be outside London. ..the presence of immigrants are alarming. No wonder the native Brits are moving back to the country.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Aug 12 2013, 01:48 PM

oxford and cambridge ARE outside london....

Gosh! What was I thinking?!

Free flow of labour in the EU. To work or live in UK, can go acquire pr or citizenship status in Spain, Portugal or Greece.

Personally, it only makes sense to live in an English village or some very small town. Winchester is very charming.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Aug 12 2013, 01:54 PM

That's what I used to think after staying in a small town and a bigger city but I think I will miss the "happenings" in the bigger towns like expos, exhibitions,seminars, sports events, shows,museums etc. I can spent one full day at one of the museums in Glasgow going thru the exhibits and finding out how come there were so many Indians over there!

Currently, touring in UK/Europe? Another month to go before the next academic year begins.

Ideally, live in the village, and then just travel to the bigger cities for the events you mentioned. I only really like going to musicals.
Was in the UK whole of June, so had time to revisit a couple of places, and some new places. Should be going next in the spring. S's academic year starts 26th Aug, and I think his holidays will be shorter from here onwards.

Mine came back in June, did 6 weeks voluntary work at a rehab centre for disabled and going back early next month.

University and website full of con
*claimed in the website
#reality

*The NUMed Malaysia five-year MB BS programme is identical to that of Newcastle's UK provision.
#not identical in term of delivery and teaching, NUMED full of Philippines and third word country lectures. Newcastle's UK trained by recognized doctors.

*The Newcastle UK MB BS programme is recognised by:
• General Medical Council, UK(GMC)
• Malaysian Medical Council (MMC)
• Sri Lankan Medical Council (SLMC)
• The Medical Council of Thailand
• Medical Council of India
# It is actually, The Newcastle Malaysia (not UK) MB BS programme is recognised by
• General Medical Council, UK(GMC)
• Malaysian Medical Council (MMC)
• Sri Lankan Medical Council (SLMC)
• The Medical Council of Thailand
• Medical Council of India
*Our programme is equivalent to the one delivered at our Medical School in the UK. Following successful completion of the programme you will be awarded the degrees Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MB BS) by Newcastle University, UK.
# degrees Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MB BS) awarded by right not same (something fishy here)
Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MB BS) by Newcastle University, UK recognized worldwide
But
Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MB BS) by Malaysia campus only recognized Malaysia, Thiland, India, Sri Lankan and UK
Looks like two different degree by actual which they are calming a same degree.

*Newcastle University Medical School is a world leading collaboration of research scientists, medical doctors and teaching professionals with a reputation for innovation and excellence for both research and teaching.
#Numed is not catogarised as a world leading collaboration of research scientists, medical doctors and teaching professionals with a reputation for innovation and excellence for both research and teaching.
*Newcastle University was confirmed as one of the leading universities for medicine in the world by the Leiden Ranking. It places our Faculty of Medical Sciences in the Top 50 in the world for biomedical and health sciences.
#Numed is not catogarised as one of the leading universities for medicine in the world by the Leiden Ranking. The Faculty of Medical Sciences is in the Top 50 in the world for biomedical and health sciences.

*We are among the best British universities for medicine in The Times/Sunday Times Good University Guide 2017 and The Complete University Guide 2018.
#Numed is not catogarised among the best British universities for medicine in The Times/Sunday Times Good University Guide 2017 and The Complete University Guide 2018.
*Our research ranked 9th overall in the UK in the ‘Clinical Medicine’ category (Research Excellence Framework 2014).
#Numed is not catogarised ranked 9th overall in the UK in the ‘Clinical Medicine’ category (Research Excellence Framework 2014).

*We're also in the top 150 universities in the world in the QS World University Rankings by Subject 2017.
#Numed is not catogarised among the top 150 universities in the world in the QS World University Rankings by Subject 2017.
*Newcastle has become one of 18 universities in the world, and only two in the UK, to achieve five plus QS Stars from QS Quacquarelli Symonds, the first international assessment of its kind. More than 150 universities in over 35 countries have now signed up to the QS Stars rating system
#Numed is not catogarised as one of 18 universities in the world, and only two in the UK, to achieve five plus QS Stars from QS Quacquarelli Symonds, the first international assessment of its kind. More than 150 universities in over 35 countries have now signed up to the QS Stars rating system

The actually fact NUMED is some of low ranking university similar as AMIST in Malaysia; top university in the country are all the public university in Malaysia

The true fact NUMED is a leading private university in Malaysia hot selling degree in the Malaysia market because of the word cooperation of “Newcastle” also of its link to its parents university in UK.

Note: Information given here is a personal investigation and view, student enrolling to NUMED need to validate deep with the parent University Newcastle

There is only 1 benefit to come to Newcastle, you can easily enter the UK workforce after graduating, the teaching is also geared towards the UK environment.