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post Aug 28 2013, 02:37 AM

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Reply whatever needed to be reply.

new thread will be up and running at 1200hrs +8GMT on 28/8/2013
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post Aug 28 2013, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Aug 28 2013, 02:35 AM)
hehehehehe,google up....ours is standard 70 amp...
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how u c is 70amps?

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post Aug 28 2013, 02:42 AM

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QUOTE(yscsiew @ Aug 28 2013, 02:40 AM)
how u c is 70amps?
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if the alternator is not 70 amp at least,i dun see the logic there,coz it cant even power up the air cond compressor that provides gooding cold air...
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post Aug 28 2013, 06:03 AM

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QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Aug 27 2013, 10:31 PM)
samhow kastomer !
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hi hi rclxms.gif

QUOTE(dares @ Aug 27 2013, 10:57 PM)
ade udang di sebalik tayar  hmm.gif
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mehhh.. bazir itu udang letak sebalik tayar.

QUOTE(Celest-Lee @ Aug 27 2013, 11:52 PM)
Wah another female. Good good. More female own saga.
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still learning about it tho since this is my first car. wink.gif
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post Aug 28 2013, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(adriangan @ Aug 27 2013, 07:50 AM)
Wahh how come free service?
I also wanted to go outside to service, due to flexibility, but after serious thoughts, rather spend a little for the warranty instead.
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labour charge free only...other all need to pay la laugh.gif
QUOTE(mengsuan @ Aug 27 2013, 09:01 AM)
Repair till you don't need to claim anything biggrin.gif
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nothing to claim... just free labour charge only mah laugh.gif
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post Aug 28 2013, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Aug 28 2013, 02:13 AM)
Those looks like cheap cross-drilled discs to me. Just look at that cross-drill design, they don't even overlap! Striping or banding will definitely occur after using it for a long period.

http://ebcbrakes.com/articles/dangerous-cr...drilled-rotors/

End of story, cross-drilled rotors are more prone to cracking than pure slotted or even stock blanks for that matter. Just google it up, people are complaining their stock standard GTR cross-drilled rotors are cracking after a hard day at the track.
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They aren't expansive, AU$300 only nod.gif And I understand metal fatigue, I know the crack is unavoidable when rapid expand/contraction happen to an overheated rotor due to wrong choice of brake pad.

Therefore, my pad is only BOSCH standard.

QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Aug 28 2013, 02:13 AM)
EBC's discs are all dimple-drilled.
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Ah.... So the drill is up to a certain thickness ON the surface without drilling through the entire layer directly to the vent. Thanks for clearing that up. But again, does it really work? I know cross drill is already a myth:

1) Basically having holes on the disc surface can simply means it looks nicer and hardcore for ricers like me, more for decoration.
2) Having cross drilled holes on vented disc to allow water/heat/asbestos channel out through the vents? Generally nowadays brake pads are asbestos free. Water can be easily vaporize as the heat start building up on the rotor itself.
3) Heat remover? According to WIKI
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A brake disc is a heat sink, but the loss of heat sink mass may be balanced by increased surface area to radiate away heat


So, how does dimple drill benefit hmm.gif

QUOTE(yscsiew @ Aug 28 2013, 02:33 AM)
nowadays where got pure copper?
70% wants me few hundred/meter 8 gauge only.
alternator XD engine noob can't figure out which is the bolt...ideal condition, ori alternator is insufficient. is not standard 60/70amps i  guess
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I tot ori ady 90amp?! blink.gif
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post Aug 28 2013, 07:39 AM

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http://www.depot.com.my/10x_car_wash_vacuu...ls-99-none.html

Kinda good deal.. rm 48 for 10 x car wash and 1 free car wax…

Or this rm138, 5 layer car polish…

http://www.depot.com.my/5_layer_car_polish...als-5-none.html


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post Aug 28 2013, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Aug 28 2013, 06:58 AM)
They aren't expansive, AU$300 only nod.gif And I understand metal fatigue, I know the crack is unavoidable when rapid expand/contraction happen to an overheated rotor due to wrong choice of brake pad.

Therefore, my pad is only BOSCH standard.
Ah.... So the drill is up to a certain thickness ON the surface without drilling through the entire layer directly to the vent. Thanks for clearing that up. But again, does it really work? I know cross drill is already a myth:

1) Basically having holes on the disc surface can simply means it looks nicer and hardcore for ricers like me, more for decoration.
2) Having cross drilled holes on vented disc to allow water/heat/asbestos channel out through the vents? Generally nowadays brake pads are asbestos free. Water can be easily vaporize as the heat start building up on the rotor itself.
3) Heat remover? According to WIKI
So, how does dimple drill benefit hmm.gif
I tot ori ady 90amp?! blink.gif
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owh,got so high ke,i tot 75 amp the max oni,lol...my bad
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post Aug 28 2013, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Aug 28 2013, 01:15 AM)
I was a lab technician, work in THEN Malaysia 3rd largest steel factory in 2001 ~ 2003 as British Standard/ American Standard/ Malaysia Sirim/ Japan International Standard product certification officer. Ayam the one and only person in the lab running all the sampling and testing for all the raw materials/finish product, including 25mm steel plate that use to cut as disc brake rotor. So, you may wanna consider my eversof***ing humble opinion sleep.gif Any of those so called "international" standard has a tolerance of 5%, some country(namely the 1 we're f***ing familiar with) allowed tolerance up to 10%. Hence, 25mm - 10% = 22.5mm. I set myself 21mm minimal thickness consider huge tolerance, otherwise I wouldn't be able to find a replacement rotor for the rest of my life. I think GaGa stock rotor only came with 19mm.

Hairline crack happened on the drilled area got 2 facts:
1) The drilled hole pointed at the leaf between the vents. As and when the disc rotor being heated up and expanded, the leaf takes longer to contract when it start cooling down, hence the surface of drilled area will have hairline crack because the surface cool down much faster than the leaf(inner part between the rotor vent).
2) Wrong brake pad temperature will cause every single drilled hole to emit hairline crack. Simple logic, hot expand cold shrink. When you have sohai temperature pad that rated higher than the rotor, ofcourse the rotor gets heated up until fire red, as and when it contract quickly, crack is unavoidable. Try a ceramic rotor, before the disc crack, the heat generated could probably set your absorber on fire already yawn.gif In the end, it boils down to the raw material of the disc rotor.

Would like to understand more on the above highlighted from your previous statement. Which drilled rotor does not drilled through? I'd like to further understand if such technology exist. On the other hand, you can drive lika moron in your Iswaga, you will never create serious crack your disc even if you use ceramic pads. Vehicle weight is the 1 that creates more friction from the pad to the rotor. These are my eversof***ing humble opinion. Over and out.
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For those who always go genting, change the rotor and pad to ceramic types. Last longer and no worry of overheating and brake pad fading or rotor warping. Although creamic discs are not cheap.
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Aug 28 2013, 02:37 AM)
Reply whatever needed to be reply.

new thread will be up and running at 1200hrs +8GMT on 28/8/2013
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semalam sudah bukak new tered ni.
sudah 8.35am new tered V50 masih tutup whistling.gif

This post has been edited by ruby1288: Aug 28 2013, 08:36 AM
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post Aug 28 2013, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(ruby1288 @ Aug 28 2013, 08:35 AM)
semalam sudah bukak new tered ni.
sudah 8.35am new tered V50 masih tutup  whistling.gif
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kena tunggu masa bukak ni.. blush.gif
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post Aug 28 2013, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(jsnkok @ Aug 28 2013, 08:43 AM)
kena tunggu masa bukak ni..  blush.gif
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tunggu V12 bukak mata duluz nod.gif
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post Aug 28 2013, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Aug 28 2013, 12:09 AM)
apa abs? Titan?

HiLoSoftHardKetukKetampi?
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Haha, normal abs only. But with better stiffness thn stock.
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post Aug 28 2013, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Aug 28 2013, 01:14 AM)
what rs pads u using previously ?
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post Aug 28 2013, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Aug 28 2013, 01:15 AM)
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yeap i do agree with your humble opinions notworthy.gif

however the fact that drilled rotors cracking has not much to do with the thickness of the surface nor positions it was drilled in relation to the vents.

case in point for your 2 facts:
- my rotors have no vents
- my brake pad temperature is OFFICIALLY rated between 300-400 Celsius (EBC shows real lab testing/graphs and don't simply claim how hot their pads can go) and they strongly advise against motorsports/track events so yeah technically my pads shouldn't be "sohai temperature"
to further emphasis, with a infrared thermometer, my rotors NEVER go above 400c, and they never glowed biggrin.gif (nor do i get silly outside car wash people spraying water into them when they are hot since i only wash/detail car myself lol)

for non complete drilled through rotors:
http://ebcbrakes.com/product/3gd-sport-rotors/
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The dimple drilled rotor was invented by EBC back in the 90′s and has been imitated by many because of its ability to offer pad degassing without “Through Drilling” disc or rotor holes which has been shown to promote rotor cracks.


endless, a pretty known braking technology compmany, don't have drilled rotors at all, at most are below
http://www.endless-sport.co.jp/brake_rotor/index.html

project mu, also a damn famous company, also don't have drilled:
http://www.project-mu.co.jp/en/products/in...ml#pindex_rotor

and yea, i hope you're very much correct because replacing rotors aren't exactly cheap and they do take considerable amount of time for machine pressing (if you're going with the "might as well" path on doing your wheel bearings too)
like you (and myself as well) said, the cracks at the moment ARE NOT SERIOUS. and i really hope they stay that way smile.gif

what i've posted is merely an advise/warning to those wishing to go for drilled rotors smile.gif
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Hi, I am a noobie here.
Got a question.

I'll be away for business trip for about 10days,
is it OK to left my flx idle during that time?
Any experience leaving your car idle for a long time?
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post Aug 28 2013, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(yscsiew @ Aug 28 2013, 02:17 AM)
anyone know better choice of alternator to replace the ori one?(higher current but can fit without extreme modify, going ICE)
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unless you're gonna spend at least/over 10-20k ringgit on your ICE, you really don't have to bother with the alternator unless it is faulty, in which case you get it fixed/reconditioned
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QUOTE(axymax @ Aug 28 2013, 09:26 AM)
Hi, I am a noobie here.
Got a question.

I'll be away for business trip for about 10days,
is it OK to left my flx idle during that time?
Any experience leaving your car idle for a long time?
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can't have someone to even start your engine and let it run say for 10 minutes ?

btw, aren't you the one said FLX SE no stock ?
sudah dapat ur keta ?

This post has been edited by ruby1288: Aug 28 2013, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Aug 28 2013, 06:58 AM)
They aren't expansive, AU$300 only nod.gif And I understand metal fatigue, I know the crack is unavoidable when rapid expand/contraction happen to an overheated rotor due to wrong choice of brake pad.

Therefore, my pad is only BOSCH standard.

But again, does it really work? I know cross drill is already a myth:

1) Basically having holes on the disc surface can simply means it looks nicer and hardcore for ricers like me, more for decoration.
2) Having cross drilled holes on vented disc to allow water/heat/asbestos channel out through the vents? Generally nowadays brake pads are asbestos free. Water can be easily vaporize as the heat start building up on the rotor itself.
3) Heat remover? According to WIKI
So, how does dimple drill benefit hmm.gif

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i fade bosch standard on normal road braking, hell, i fade RS too cry.gif

personally, i'm not sure either. the links i googled seems to say it's a myth.
however i do have butt dyno feeling that the drilled/slots does seem to help in braking. if anything they SHAVE the brake pads more aggressively and with that kinda friction, one might think you're getting better stopping power? gas/water channeling/repellent aside.

so, perhaps the dimples are for ricers? or maybe they do something as per the original x drilled does, just perhaps a little less effect since it isn't complete drilled through, albeit trading off with less risk of cracking.
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QUOTE(DonMe @ Aug 28 2013, 07:50 AM)
Although creamic discs are not cheap.
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hmm i'm looking for those myself for the iswara, high carbon or ceramic...

can't seem to find, or pricing too insane lol

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