Everything seems the same, except new gear knob design, and different color trims in steering and dashboard.

Bigger HU screen, seems to be the same as Thai/Indo unit.

Maybe this is not the high spec model. Or maybe the paddle shift is not visible from this angle.

Petronas engine is not ready for global emission requirement. Proton is repositioning their engine ever since they acquired petronas engine. Probably no 2.0 variant since it is overlapped with campro CFE 1.6 that deliver equivalent performance.

The focusing the turbocharged 1.8 and 2.2 engine.

They actually listen to the feedback, else how come they change the name from Preve to Suprima. All the bashers keep on bashing the name Preve. Later change to suprima also kena bashed kiri kanan.

Define dated. BMW, Mercedes, Honda still use this kind of design.

It looks modern and timeless to me. European design.

have you sat in one?

I read somewhere the target sales for this model is only 200 per month.

I'm thinking of 75k executive and 78k for Premium is the best price. 80k is too much. Even the spec is good, i dont think malaysian is ready for a 80k proton. They need to prove their car is 80k worthy first before charging people 80k.

'Pekerja Proton sendiri cakap jangan beli Proton'.

This kind pekerja proton should the first to leave the company. This type of staff may deliberately sabotage product quality while in production.

NAP policy favors CKD vendors, not proton. Most CKD cars have similar excise duty like proton already. NAP policy is to protect the cronies. Which include all car companies.

Find a new car that have all the features in suprima s at 76k. I buy for you.

Manual suprima s has been spotted few times. But that car does not make it into the launch event.

Latest rumors saying that the manual version is for export only, and been given to the R3 deparment.

Materials use as compare to what car? Vios? City?

LOL the epic door test again.

NCAP should include door close test to determine the car is solid or not.

No such thing as rebates through RnD. There is such thing as RnD grant been given to proton. ~The grant is 200million per year.

The rebates the article referring to is before 2005, where proton/perodua did get tax rebate 50% in excise duty. Because of this, our goverment have been punish due to infringement of AFTA. Need to pay fine to thai/indo.

After 2005, proton no longer receive any tax rebate. In terms of excise rate, proton get the lowest rate due to engine is locally produce. The lowest rate is 65% if im not mistaken. Other car markers is 75% for 1.6liter engine. If CKD the rate is as close as Proton. Nissan Almera is high on local content, that is why it is cheap.

If you saying RnD grant is protectionsm, it is a normal practice around the world. RnD grant is given to any local company that do extensive RnD. Not only Proton. And 200 million is not a lot. Ford, holden get more RnD grant from AU government.


In terms of tax, Proton does not have any advantage, in fact disadvantage. In langkawi, they do not enjoy the excise tax exemption because of custom act does not justify product originate from malaysia to have tax exemption. That is why Proton in langkawi is not that cheap.

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It is not about the design only. The designer and engineering team need to reach equilibrium level. Most of the time there is always problem at homologation.

Maybe few more models, we can see the designer and engineering team can meet the equilibrium point.

Honda is DRB also. That is why we can see Proton now price their car dah macam Honda.

DRB punya pricing ada macam problem sikit. Tengok diorang price preve dkt AU, Thai dgn Indon. The price is not competitive at all for a showcase product to improve your brand image. If Proton punya image ok, no problem sell that price.

200 million is not enough to develop a car from scratch. Perodua myvi cost 220million. That is rebagde. Not much RnD going on. But 220 million.

Proton is much cost effective in developing car from scratch. Preve is 300 million. Suprima is 200 million.

As i said, RnD grant is normal practice. In fact, if the goverment really sincer in protecting proton, they should give more to Proton.

You should imagine how can proton sell at lower price if they do not have economies of scale. All parts for proton is costlier than Toyota.

This is why Proton is not cheap, but they trying to make it cheap just for the sake of people asking 'national car price'. So, that is why get a cheap car at the expense of quality.

If you guys have the time, read this http://econsmalaysia.blogspot.com/2013/06/...me-down-if.html

Got all the data directly from treasury department on how much excise tax government actually earned.
You'll be surprise that the actual excise tax collected is not more than 10 percent than what is supposed to be.

Profit margin is much higher than excise tax.